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dpodblood

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Why would God give us free will but then set his expectations upon us? And why punish us for doing as our free will allows? Ive always view this as "Free will with consequences", which to me is not true free will.

This is another question/argument which I have had. Why is it called "free will." We are free to do as we wish, but the alternative to doing as god commands is an eternal damnation in hell. That doesn't sound like a choice to me.
 

Nik

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This is another question/argument which I have had. Why is it called "free will." We are free to do as we wish, but the alternative to doing as god commands is an eternal damnation in hell. That doesn't sound like a choice to me.

Additionally, God knew you before you were born. He chose to create those who he knew would not choose him. That's creating someone for the express purpose of eternal damnation. That is NOT a God of Love and that is NOT free will.
 

dpodblood

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I would like to clarify; I am not bashing religion. My interest lies with finding the truth, whatever that may be. My questions are sincere, and I am not trying to tear down those with faith.
 

ch33zw1z

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I would like to clarify; I am not bashing religion. My interest lies with finding the truth, whatever that may be. My questions are sincere, and I am not trying to tear down those with faith.

You won't find truth in religion. It's faith based.
 

SphinxnihpS

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Explain this please

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ch33zw1z

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Just because something requires faith that doesn't automatically make it untrue. However it certainly makes it more difficult to believe.

You won't find truth in religion because nobody actually knows what the truth is. That's why there's so many different religions and flavors of each of those. Religion dupes you into believing you know what the truth is.
 

GrumpyMan

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You won't find truth in religion because nobody actually knows what the truth is. That's why there's so many different religions and flavors of each of those. Religion dupes you into believing you know what the truth is.


Religion is like love, it's faith based too, nothing tangible that can be seen, but nations have fallen and risen due to it.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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Religion is like love, it's faith based too, nothing tangible that can be seen, but nations have fallen and risen due to it.

In a sense, but love can be seen when it's shown. Unlike religion, your rulers are not seen...leaving a man to the task.
 

Oyeve

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Religion is BS, chritianity and catholism even more so and they pray to a dead guy and wear a dead guy around their necks but dont pray to the guy/gal who CREATED the dead guy in the first place until shit really hits the fan and then they are like "OH GOD, HELP ME"

please, religion is such pure BS. I am amazed there are so many religious nuts in the world today.
 

Kadarin

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Religion is like love, it's faith based too, nothing tangible that can be seen, but nations have fallen and risen due to it.

Religion binds people together into communities on a very large scale. You may have otherwise nothing in common with someone, but if you have a common religion, you have an instant mechanism by which you can then team up against someone who does not.
 

WelshBloke

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Personally, I like the old testament passage where some rowdy teen boys make fun of a guy for being bald so he summons up a couple of bears to eat them.

Yeah Ive heard of the bear thing before not the Zombie army one though.

Are the guys raised from the dead ever mentioned again? I'd imagine it would have been quite a big thing at the time.
 
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