Ask AMD about BD?

aigomorla

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yeah he's called JFAMD

im sorry we dont need an "offical" thread.
JFAMD will tell us what he can, and what he can't he wont.

As long as people dont bait him and call him names, he's usually very helpful in answering AMD questions.
 

DaveSimmons

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Interesting, pretty much every question is "when are you planning to release a good version of BD?"

My question would be:
"Why didn't you die-shrink Phenom when you realized BD 1.0 was a disaster?"

Imagine a die-shrunk 1090T BE using much less power, and costing enough less to make that it could be sold profitably for $99.
 
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Elixer

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yeah he's called JFAMD

im sorry we dont need an "offical" thread.
JFAMD will tell us what he can, and what he can't he wont.

As long as people dont bait him and call him names, he's usually very helpful in answering AMD questions.

JF-AMD is server, not desktop--at least, that is what he has been saying since forever.

I also know a 'official' thread would have been an attempt at damage control, I was mainly curious if such a offer was given here, and was rejected ?
 

Edrick

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yeah he's called JFAMD

im sorry we dont need an "offical" thread.
JFAMD will tell us what he can, and what he can't he wont.

As long as people dont bait him and call him names, he's usually very helpful in answering AMD questions.

Sorry, but JFAMD lost a lot of credibility with me after what he was saying leading up to the BD launch.
 

apoppin

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i got my own service going like that at my own forum; ask there and i can ask AMD. i have to say that AMD's support is top notch as i have been through two ASUS AM3+ MBs already. First one was DoA and the second one burned out the LAN when i hit overclock and overvolt (to 1.55V :'( )

Anyway, they are sending me another motherboard so that i can finish my FX-8150 benching!

i should get it tomorrow and finish up benching (including GTX 580 SLI results, with luck) by the end of the weekend - Part II of FX-8150 eval should be published next week with a conclusion finally about Bulldozer gaming. Part III of CF vs SLI scaling should emerge right after it and it will include a comparison of dual core including i3 and Phenom II for (relatively) high-end gaming.

i am getting this z68 ASRock MB tomorrow to power my i3-2105 that Intel sent me the day before yesterday
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813157271

i better get back to work, huh?
:whiste:
 

Cali3350

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Most of the questions relate to IPC, and thats a good thing. IPC is terribly, hopefully AMD has a fix for it as I refuse to believe they intended IPC to be so low.
 

nanaki333

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Most of the questions relate to IPC, and thats a good thing. IPC is terribly, hopefully AMD has a fix for it as I refuse to believe they intended IPC to be so low.

yeah. even if it's a required driver to make windows/linux treat the cores like they need to be treated. not as full fledged cores.
 

amenx

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Sorry, but JFAMD lost a lot of credibility with me after what he was saying leading up to the BD launch.
If he told you any different it may have cost him his job. I cant blame him really for anything he said in public with regard to BD.
 

Ferzerp

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If he told you any different it may have cost him his job. I cant blame him really for anything he said in public with regard to BD.

And you can't blame anyone for not believing anything he types. (I held off on my "really, you're going to believe a marketing director to answer you with the truth?" gut reactions when I saw those threads before.)
 

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Sorry, but JFAMD lost a lot of credibility with me after what he was saying leading up to the BD launch.

Why? BD for desktops is absolutely HORRID, but he works for servers. In all the reviews, the only apps where BD beat i7's were things similar to what you would see in server workloads. Therefore, BD could still be a beast for servers, and thats all he cares about, since thats the division he works in.
 

gevorg

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My question would be:
"Why didn't you die-shrink Phenom when you realized BD 1.0 was a disaster?"

Imagine a die-shrunk 1090T BE using much less power, and costing enough less to make that it could be sold profitably for $99.

This + why didn't you add 2 more cores to Thuban.
 

ElFenix

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Interesting, pretty much every question is "when are you planning to release a good version of BD?"

My question would be:
"Why didn't you die-shrink Phenom when you realized BD 1.0 was a disaster?"

Imagine a die-shrunk 1090T BE using much less power, and costing enough less to make that it could be sold profitably for $99.

we've got llano?
 

Vesku

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They've been stalling on the unlocked Llano's though ElFenix. Trouble binning or just not wanting unlocked Llano's to outshine BD release?
 

Stuka87

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I see somebody there asked the question that I have. Which is why don't they take a star's base CPU and put two together (similar to Magny Cours). As then they would end up with a CPU that enthusiast would love.
 

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I see somebody there asked the question that I have. Which is why don't they take a star's base CPU and put two together (similar to Magny Cours). As then they would end up with a CPU that enthusiast would love.

Because the enthusiast market don't make enough money to warrant whatever they love.
 

Stuka87

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Because the enthusiast market don't make enough money to warrant whatever they love.

Well, when I say "enthusiast" I don't mean just overclockers. I mean just about anybody who wants a high end computer. Be it gamers or whatever.
 

sm625

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Personally I would like 8 stars cores and 8-12 bobcat cores all in one 200 sq mm die. With all those extra cores you can afford to assign different processes their own core. When you think of how many times a cache gets flushed just to get reloaded with the same exact stuff over and over and over and over and over... Well if we had a dedicated core with its own 64K L1 cache, then we'd see massive speed increases, especially when multitasking. I could write my own profile to configure my system the way I want it.

On my PC, the System process has 74 threads running right now. Most of those could be placed on a bobcat core. The explorer process has 16 threads. I have 6 svchosts running, with a combined total of over 100 threads. That's over 200 threads right there. I have 400 total threads, and thats not even that many really. Each time one of those threads switches, there is a big long cycle of caching and memory access. In many if not most cases, that delay is actually longer than the actual processing time. If we could eliminate that switching ... Oh if only I had a 48 core system to play with.
 

DaveSimmons

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we've got llano?

Adding the GPU is nice, but without it you'd have a smaller cheaper die that could clock higher with less power. It could be used with existing motherboards that have their own video and with cards.
 

exar333

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Why? BD for desktops is absolutely HORRID, but he works for servers. In all the reviews, the only apps where BD beat i7's were things similar to what you would see in server workloads. Therefore, BD could still be a beast for servers, and thats all he cares about, since thats the division he works in.

Then you look at the power consumption.

Desktop or server, IPC is still down.
 

exar333

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Personally I would like 8 stars cores and 8-12 bobcat cores all in one 200 sq mm die. With all those extra cores you can afford to assign different processes their own core. When you think of how many times a cache gets flushed just to get reloaded with the same exact stuff over and over and over and over and over... Well if we had a dedicated core with its own 64K L1 cache, then we'd see massive speed increases, especially when multitasking. I could write my own profile to configure my system the way I want it.

On my PC, the System process has 74 threads running right now. Most of those could be placed on a bobcat core. The explorer process has 16 threads. I have 6 svchosts running, with a combined total of over 100 threads. That's over 200 threads right there. I have 400 total threads, and thats not even that many really. Each time one of those threads switches, there is a big long cycle of caching and memory access. In many if not most cases, that delay is actually longer than the actual processing time. If we could eliminate that switching ... Oh if only I had a 48 core system to play with.

That's the same thinking that deep-sixed BD. 'If you build it, they will come'

You need to develop a product that works (fast) with existing and future hardware, not something that needs special software to work efficiently.
 

DaveSimmons

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^ for more proof, see: Itanium's failure and intel's adoption of AMD's 64-bit extensions for x86.

(Back in the golden age of sockets 754 & 939 . . . good times )
 

BD231

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Sorry, but JFAMD lost a lot of credibility with me after what he was saying leading up to the BD launch.

Word. Every forum he touches lands him up sh t creek with the general audience. Pretty funny stuff.

Enough about JFAMD, guys
-ViRGE
 
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