asking for buddy about upgrading his cards

[etrin]

He has 2 pretty good computers one with a Nvidia 760 and the other with an Nvidia 780 card.
He was looking at the new AMD 480 4g cards that are so cheap now.
I told him it would probably be an upgrade to the 760 but did not thing it would be an upgrade to the 780.
I have a 780 and would not upgrade.
both of his monitors are 2560 x 1440
one a 21 the other a 27, don't think that matters.

Thanks for any thoughts on this maybe an 8g card would be better I don't know.
But he is looking at the cheaper 4g cards that are on sale now.

 

[happy medium]

His monitors are 1440p,he needs a gtx1070.
That would be a proper upgrade.

 

[Bacon1]

His monitors are 1440p,he needs a gtx1070.
That would be a proper upgrade.

All depends on the settings he uses and how much he wants to spend.

Yes a 1070 is much faster, but it's twice the price or more. He is looking at a cheap 480 4GB which go for under $170 often vs $350 for a 1070??

Two 480 4gb for under $170 AR and both come with Doom

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...14131706&cm_re=480_4gb-_-14-131-706-_-Product

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...14202270&cm_re=480_4gb-_-14-202-270-_-Product

480 8GB for $190 AR also with Doom

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...14131694&cm_re=480_8gb-_-14-131-694-_-Product

Cheapest 1070 I found was $370 and comes with For Honor or Ghost Recon Wildlands

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...4500409&cm_re=1070_gtx-_-14-500-409-_-Product

The 1070 is ~40% faster overall @ 1440p max settings, but 100% more money

480 is probably ~10% faster than a 970 that is about 10% faster than 780 Ti @ 1440p? 780 Ti is ~25% faster than 780. So should be a solid upgrade for not much money. Would be a massive upgrade from a 760.

 

[etrin]

thanks big time Bacon1. He just ordered 2 of the 480 cards. Heck you even have me thinking of a $200 480. I can't say how powercolor cards are or their rebate but this is a good deal.

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spoke 2 soon or I misunderstood him...he order 1 new card to replace the 760

 

[Newbian]

Going for a 480 on 1440p will be rough for more modern games without lowering the settings a decent amount.

Even a 1070 will be rough in some games and if he plays more modern games I would recommend a gtx 1080 provided he is using 60hz monitors.

Going for a cheaper gpu will just mean replacing it much sooner and higher costs in the long run then getting a decent one and sticking with it for many years longer.

 

[tamz_msc]

1440p with high, instead of ultra settings is perfectly doable at 60Hz on a RX 480. FYI a RX 470 at 1440p high:

 

[Newbian]

1440p with high, instead of ultra settings is perfectly doable at 60Hz on a RX 480. FYI a RX 470 at 1440p high:

Problem is if you have to place restriction on a lot of the normal settings, no special stuff like hairworks, on some of those games like gta v that's almost 4 years old what is it going to be like on more modern games or in a year or two?

Just because you can run a game on medium settings and get 45-55 fps right now is not something that will last long if you are a gamer and expect to keep the card for long.

 

[Insomniator]

1440p with high, instead of ultra settings is perfectly doable at 60Hz on a RX 480. FYI a RX 470 at 1440p high:

Thank you, this forum is hilarious with hardware suggestions. 480 is totally fine for 1440p, not everyone is going to go buy 1 of the top ~3 fastest and most expensive graphics cards. Drop the settings a bit and suddenly you don't need to spend $400.

480 is a massive increase over a 760. Over a 780 I'd start to ask what kind of games you guys play. 480 is certainly better but maybe not life changing like it would over a 760.

 

[tamz_msc]

Problem is if you have to place restriction on a lot of the normal settings, no special stuff like hairworks, on some of those games like gta v that's almost 4 years old what is it going to be like on more modern games or in a year or two?

Just because you can run a game on medium settings and get 45-55 fps right now is not something that will last long if you are a gamer and expect to keep the card for long.

The video wasn't meant to show how long an RX 470 would last at 1440p. It was meant to show how you can comfortably target 60fps on high instead of ultra if you are willing to make that compromise. A lot of people do that, there's nothing wrong about it. If you plan on 1440p gaming you should be looking at a GTX 1070 anyway - but that's a different story.

There are no extra restrictions on the games in that video - it's just high instead of very high/ultra. Never did it talk about medium settings. Most games don't look that much different when moving from high to very high/ultra these days. It's a perfectly acceptable solution for a lot of people.

 

[Newbian]

Thank you, this forum is hilarious with hardware suggestions. 480 is totally fine for 1440p, not everyone is going to go buy 1 of the top ~3 fastest and most expensive graphics cards. Drop the settings a bit and suddenly you don't need to spend $400.
.

It's actually the 4th card now with the release of the 1080ti plus it's closer to $360 now.

But seriously if you are going to game at 1440p get something that will last a bit and you will save money vs buying a new gpu after a year or two or play games on minimal.

 

[Newbian]

The video wasn't meant to show how long an RX 470 would last at 1440p. It was meant to show how you can comfortably target 60fps on high instead of ultra if you are willing to make that compromise. A lot of people do that, there's nothing wrong about it. If you plan on 1440p gaming you should be looking at a GTX 1070 anyway - but that's a different story.

There are no extra restrictions on the games in that video - it's just high instead of very high/ultra. Never did it talk about medium settings. Most games don't look that much different when moving from high to very high/ultra these days. It's a perfectly acceptable solution for a lot of people.

He turned off AA for about all the games and for high settings you would use it as a prime example.

The problem is people toss out things like high settings in reviews of gpu's but then disable other parts and we don't know what else they had did.

I would go by many of the other reviews on these cards out there then a random youtube video to get a more broader sense of the fps you can expect to get out of the 480 such as ones that have been posted here.

As we can see more modern games will punish the rx 480 even at 1080p as we saw here:

http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/mass-effect-andromeda-benchmarks-pcgh.2501672/

Sure you can say it's because it's on ultra but getting 54 fps on just 1080p and 37 at 1440p is going to mean lowering the settings by a decent amount to get a stable 60fps.

Or here is another one of another recent game and not a almost 4 year old gta v comparison:
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/ghost-recon-wildlands-benchmarks-release-pcgh.2500984/

Again we see the 8gb version of the rx 480 getting 42 fps with very high settings for 1440p.

Also op if he is using the 760 how old is the rest of his computer parts as they may limit it a bit also?

Sure upgrading the gpu will help a lot but a newish cpu, from the last 2 years should be fine provided it's at least a decent quad core, will also be a factor.

 

[tamz_msc]

The point is that 1440p@60fps is doable with a RX 480. It's true that you have to dial down on the settings from ultra to high, and with a bit of tweaking you can achieve acceptable levels of performance. If the OP's friend has a GTX 760, then assuming that he has at least got a SB/IB Core i5, then the RX 480 4GB will be a logical upgrade given that he's looking for cheaper 4GB cards on sale.

 

[Bacon1]

But seriously if you are going to game at 1440p get something that will last a bit and you will save money vs buying a new gpu after a year or two or play games on minimal.

A 1070 won't last that much longer and costs twice as much. He can sell the 480 and upgrade to a next gen chip much faster. Trying to keep a high end chip for many years always ends up worse perf/$ over the long run then upgrading every 2-3 years for less money.

 

[happy medium]

thanks big time Bacon1. He just ordered 2 of the 480 cards. Heck you even have me thinking of a $200 480. I can't say how powercolor cards are or their rebate but this is a good deal.

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spoke 2 soon or I misunderstood him...he order 1 new card to replace the 760

Well I hope he at least bought a 8gb card for 1440p or he made a huge mistake.
See you back here in 9 months for the next $200 upgrade.
If he games at medium setting he might as well buy a Xbox or playstation 4.

I hope he don't play new titles. Remember the 4gb version is slower than this 8gb version.
Nothing like buying a brand new card to play games at PlayStation 4 pro levels of detail and framerates.

 

[Bacon1]

Nothing like buying a brand new card to play games at PlayStation 4 pro levels of detail and framerates.

Considering a PS4 Pro costs twice as much as well... sounds like a bargain . Dunno why all your graphs use max settings though, because a PS4 Pro sure doesn't... guess that would hurt your argument though.

 

[kawi6rr]

The 480 is a great card and your buddy should be very happy with it. Don't mind some of the posters they take things very personal.

 

[Newbian]

The 480 is a great card and your buddy should be very happy with it. Don't mind some of the posters they take things very personal.

Yes it's a great card but for gaming you will need a bigger boost for 1440p gaming.

 

[happy medium]

I forgot this latest game @ 1440p. Remember the 4gb card is even slower!

 

[happy medium]

The 480 is a great card and your buddy should be very happy with it. Don't mind some of the posters they take things very personal.

The 4gb 480 is a good card for 1080p using high settings (not ultra) with todays games.
The 4gb 480 card is not a good purchase for 1440p gaming now and especially within the next 6 months.
The new Xbox releasing in the fall will have better framerates and resolution than the OP's friend will be getting.

 

[Bacon1]

The 4gb 480 is a good card for 1080p using high settings with todays games.
The 4gb 480 card is not a good purchase for 1440p gaming now and especially within the next 6 months.
The new Xbox releasing in the fall will have better framerates and resolution than the OP's friend will be getting.

Dude seriously just stop.

The PS4 and new XBOX (will) cost a lot more than he is paying (under $200).

You are showing games with max settings that even the card you are trying to push run bad in. You are ignoring the 470 4gb in those charts which isn't much slower than the 480 8gb meaning the 480 4gb will be between the two

http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=29167

Should be ~40 fps with Very High. Turn those down a little and you are much faster.

http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=28358

Oh no, only about 60 fps when completely maxed? Shame...

60 fps on "High" vs "Ultra".

Turn down a few settings and it will run great even @ 1440p. No need to spend over twice as much.

Overclock3d images all from their reviews: https://www.overclock3d.net/content/software

 

[Insomniator]

Suggesting buying PS4 also at twice the price because he can only game on medium on one specific title mentioned... very funny. That medium @1440p would still look better than a PS4, and also run at a higher frame rate.

Its a bubble in these tech forums, everyone had their 1080TI on pre-order, anything less is just a waste of silicon!

 

[happy medium]

If was going to "turn down settings" and I were him, I would just overclock my gtx780 and not upgrade.
I repeat the 4gb 480 is not a good buy for 1440p. 9 months ago it was a fairly good buy, but now, no, its 9 months from a low end door stop.

Mabe that is why the new rx580 releasing in a month will be faster and come in 8gb only.! Oh, and be $200.
quote:
"The chip itself will be clocked at 1340 MHz boost to deliver 6.17 TFLOPs of compute performance. There would be 8 GB of GDDR5 memory onboard, clocking in at 8.0 GHz along a 256-bit bus interface. The card would pump out 256 GB/s bandwidth. Expect pricing to get slightly lower than the RX 480, around $199 for the 8 GB model."

http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-580-570-launch-delay-rumor/


So he just bought a $200 card with 4gb less memory, with lower core clocks, uses more power, and runs hotter for the same price.
Yea, real good advice. way to waste his money!
Proper 1440p gaming = $350 gtx1070

 

[Newbian]

Suggesting buying PS4 also at twice the price because he can only game on medium on one specific title mentioned... very funny. That medium @1440p would still look better than a PS4, and also run at a higher frame rate.

Its a bubble in these tech forums, everyone had their 1080TI on pre-order, anything less is just a waste of silicon!

The only problem is if the gpu's are that old, 2013, you have to assume the rest is also so it looks like it may be time for a entirely new build.

 

[Insomniator]

Well I wouldn't have gone with a 4GB card and if we're going with the theory the build needs to be completely refreshed, a 1070 alone isn't the best either.

 

[happy medium]

Well I wouldn't have gone with a 4GB card and if we're going with the theory the build needs to be completely refreshed, a 1070 alone isn't the best either.

These guys are telling this guy with a 1440p monitor and a 3gb gtx780 to upgrade to a 4gb rx480.
Its 2017, you don't buy a mid range 4gb card for 1440p.
In less than a year games will crush it.