Asking Ryan Smith of AT if a special examination could be done?

[badb0y]

Oh? So you guys do coordinate via PM and emails then? Why am I not surprised.

Please see:

EDIT: Also, you won't meaningfully respond to this post, and you'll either come up with some one line deflection or completely ignore it, but this is here for everyone else reading the thread. :thumbsup:

You just owned yourself, I think you need to take a break from VC&G lol.

I don't think it's fair that people bash you just because you are a focus group member on the flip side I think you should actually read posts that respond to you instead of creating alternate realities in your head.

 

[3DVagabond]

Your lack of reading comprehension is what's not surprising. He said it in his post. The wits are dim in this one.

Careful. You're being baited into saying something that you can be reported on. Best to strictly stick to the X's and O's sometimes.

 

[Siberian]

Two major sites have confirmed the problem. Until AMD fixes it, another review will be a waste of time.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Two major sites have confirmed the problem. Until AMD fixes it, another review will be a waste of time.

One major site said that a program that doesn't measure output to the monitor may show something wrong, and the other site said that Crossfire was smoother in 3 sections of the review and then went on to say SLi felt smoother in the conclusion.

Pretty solid evidence if you ask me...

 

[Final8ty]

Two major sites have confirmed the problem. Until AMD fixes it, another review will be a waste of time.

No they have not as that would contradict the OPs theory request if they had.

 

[Siberian]

No they have not as that would contradict the OPs theory request if they had.

It's clear some people will never be convinced no matter how much evidence is presented.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

It's clear some people will never be convinced no matter how much evidence is presented.

The whole point of this thread is that there is no actual evidence. You seem to have convinced yourself otherwise.

 

[Siberian]

The whole point of this thread is that there is no actual evidence. You seem to have convinced yourself otherwise.

Go read the techreport article.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Go read the techreport article.

As has been stated numerous times already, the way Techreport recorded their results does not necessarily show how frames are being output to the monitor.

 

[Rvenger]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Siberian
It's clear some people will never be convinced no matter how much evidence is presented.





Quote:
Originally Posted by Siberian
Go read the techreport article.






How about just grab your card of choice from said vendor and go game and quit complaining. Its obvious you are here to ruffle feathers rather than to give actual substance in your posts. You obviously don't use AMD cards so you obviously never experienced the issue. The stuttering issue happens on crossfire setups, I could care less what techreport finds because my single card experience on AMD Is the exact opposite.

 

[Grooveriding]

 

[videogames101]

Thanks for topping off the tank. :thumbsup:
You'll have to excuse me for a while. I have a few more review site forums to visit today. TTYL.

i will never understand

 

[-Slacker-]

i will never understand

I think it has to do with what he said in an earlier post - that if posters keep "attacking" him, he'll go ahead and post this on other forums, as if he thinks we're trying to stifle his voice or something.

 

[Keysplayr]

Careful. You're being baited into saying something that you can be reported on. Best to strictly stick to the X's and O's sometimes.

Way to stick up for your bud. Bud. Commendable.

 

[Keysplayr]

Please see:



You just owned yourself, I think you need to take a break from VC&G lol.

I don't think it's fair that people bash you just because you are a focus group member on the flip side I think you should actually read posts that respond to you instead of creating alternate realities in your head.

You're right. I totally missed that post and assumed they conspired by other means. My apologies to them.
Everyone makes mistakes, as are many people crapping in this thread to get it closed. So, I guess we'll have to ignore those efforts.

 

[badb0y]

I think that additional testing should be done to confirm or invalidate this issue about the stuttering. Not sure why everyone is getting all offended over it.

The more information we have the better purchasing decisions we can make. I would love to know if AMD cards are stuttering more than there nVidia counterparts. I haven't personally felt it but I would like to see the data regardless.

 

[bononos]

You're right. I totally missed that post and assumed they conspired by other means. My apologies to them.
Everyone makes mistakes, as are many people crapping in this thread to get it closed. So, I guess we'll have to ignore those efforts.

Which post gave you the idea that there was some conspiracy? You're jumping at shadows. Post #189 http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34343155&postcount=189 Post #302 http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34347872&postcount=302 shows that the microstutter problem is hardly clear cut and it affects Nvidia too, and if your assertion about Radeon is correct (12.11 drivers), it would have followed from faulty reasoning.

 

[Lonbjerg]

It's funny...a simple request...and this much fear and ad hominem...keys must have rattled the red camp...their repsonse in not flattering though.

Thread bookmarked for use in later topics...I doubt this "stance" is universal

 

[VulgarDisplay]

It's funny...a simple request...and this much fear and ad hominem...keys must have rattled the red camp...their repsonse in not flattering though.

Thread bookmarked for use in later topics...I doubt this "stance" is universal

Um, when looking through the reviews that showed frame times the gtx680 sli graph almost identically mirrored the 7970 xfire. The gtx690 was better, but it got blown away by Radeon Pro. At least with the way they measured it which doesn't tell us how it's being put out to the screen anyways, so anyone that had a point needs to realize that it's moot.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Um, when looking through the reviews that showed frame times the gtx680 sli graph almost identically mirrored the 7970 xfire. The gtx690 was better, but it got blown away by Radeon Pro. At least with the way they measured it which doesn't tell us how it's being put out to the screen anyways, so anyone that had a point needs to realize that it's moot.

Did you read the thread?

What tool was used?

You do know that FRAPS is insufficient?

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Did you read the thread?

What tool was used?

You do know that FRAPS is insufficient?

I have no idea what you are asking, but yes, they didn't use a high speed camera to capture actual output, and yes, fraps is insufficient.

 

[Lonbjerg]

I have no idea what you are asking, but yes, they didn't use a high speed camera to capture actual output, and yes, fraps is insufficient.

What tool made the FPS graph...and how did they measure frame time flux?

 

[Keysplayr]

Which post gave you the idea that there was some conspiracy? You're jumping at shadows. Post #189 http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34343155&postcount=189 Post #302 http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34347872&postcount=302 shows that the microstutter problem is hardly clear cut and it affects Nvidia too, and if your assertion about Radeon is correct (12.11 drivers), it would have followed from faulty reasoning.

Which post? None at all. It's perfectly normal to oppose the pursuit of knowledge in any which way you possibly can.
See, you're worse than I am in my assumptions. You dismiss things while I'm open to investigation. Why aren't you? Or am I mistaken and you are all for it? Clue me in.

 

[Black Octagon]

After a LONG time ghosting these forums, I finally decided to sign up and start posting. This was a big decision. This 'Video Cards and Graphics' section has long fascinated me because several of you are knowledgeable, articulate, polite, and present logical arguments. At the same time, the level of AMD vs. NVIDIA feuding on these boards is simply staggering and has been the main reason why I've held off actually posting for so long.

I too would love to see Ryan or some other respectable reviewer carry out a high-speed camera test. If the same reported framerates on 2 different cards are not actually equal in terms of what a monitor outputs, then this is important for consumers to know.

If such testing happens, I agree with what many others have already said: The testing should be as detailed and varied as is feasible. This means:
- Single GPU as well as multiple GPU comparisons
- Comparisons between 'normal' gaming and gaming with VSYNC and/or frame limiters
- Comparisons with and without 3rd party tools like RadeonPro and NVIDIA inspector
- Etc.

In short, the aim of the testing should be to provide the reader with a wealth of rich information that can inform his/her consumer decisions. It should not be about resolving a 'war' over whether X is smoother than Y...I prefer for that to be left to the interpretation of the educated consumer (though Ryan's expert opinion would of course be nice to hear).

Disclaimer: I currently own a 7970 and love it. I have owned both ATI and NVIDIA (and 3Dfx) cards in the past and have loved nearly all of them. So PLEASE, if I start praising the 7970 in subsequent posts, do not label me as a fanboy. It could upset me or, God forbid, make me post something impolite

 

[SirPauly]

Really a nice insightful post on your thoughts, thanks!