I just want to mess around with the 79xx's.
Yes lava you will have dibs. But how many tahitis do you really need? LoL!
yup, then he sold it to me =) If you guys could get over the disclaimer in his sig you would probably like the guy. Jealousy has that effect on some people I guess.
Keys I'm still waiting on my initiation into the NFG. I think I would be good at facilitating the evaluation of nVidia products. kidding, or am I? :whiste:
Still no high-speed camera or software equivalent? Then this thread might as well be locked up until then, yes.
I could list all the posts where those accusations were aimed at me personally, and a number that were directed at other AMD users who dared to state they had no problems with stutters with AMD GPUs any more than Nvidia (single GPUs).
My stance has always been that my experience with AMD and Nvidia is identical in smoothness, though the HD 7970 is generally faster. This is based on having used both GTX 680 and HD 7970 in single GPU configurations.
If AMD cards gave the stutters as suggested by the OP then I would most certainly NOT be defending AMD. I would be up in arms demanding they fix the problem. If you read this thread you can see many posts that refute the TR findings and even bring into question the validity of the results. Yet we still have Nvidia users asking "can we have an investigation". Do you really think every single one of the AMD owners in this thread are part of a big conspiracy to hide the fact that their cards stutter and run like crap? We just refuse to accept that our poor eyes are deceiving us according to this guy.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34341731&postcount=147
Quoting this in its entirety because it's exactly what I was going to post.Like you said, he's not a moderator anymore so you can put him on ignore. I don't think attacking him does you or your position much good. Does he have an agenda? Yes. Why shouldn't he? Everyone else on here does. Everyone had their favorite company and their own bias. At least he's open and honest about being a paid shill/enthusiast/whatever your own bias says he is.
There has been a long track record of all these video card companies playing games to get a head of each other in the IQ department, the FPS department etc.
If Nvidia is providing a better experience out of the box and AMD is requiring 3rd party tools to correct their out of box experience that is valuable information for the consumer. Not only that but widespread discourse on such issues has in the past propelled these companies to make changes. Maybe due to this kind of investigating AMD starts including RadeonPro in their packaging or even their drivers.
There's nothing wrong with asking Ryan in the public forum to look into this and generating community interest over it. Anandtech isn't going to waste resources, time and money on doing something that only a few people want to see done. They will however look into something if there is a large community desire for it. That's what these threads serve.
FUD.
Why do we go to sites and read review, with actual DATA?
Because...then human eye cannot tell the whole story.
And nothing in my post resembles the lies you posted...find another post to attach your lies too...
What about when one of the reviews that sparked this whole flame war was based on what 1 reviewer's eyes saw?
Hmm,there's been a lot of anecdotal evidence regarding GTX670s having poorly made,flimsy PCBs.
I think it would be a good idea for all tech sites on the Net to have a major investigation into that.
After all,if a few users have reported it,that means it's probably true right?
Only a full investigation will do,any NVDA owners who don't think its necessary may have ulterior motives...
Its not just TR. HardOCP say the same thing without the frame time data and having owned 680s and 7970s I concur with them, the AMD cards stutter.
The industry just needs to work out how to measure it reliably and then it will finally be fixed.
100% support such an investigation. If NVidia or its partners are producing easier to damage cards when installed then customers should know about it. Its especially important to the water coolers who replace the default cooler with water blocks that potentially put pressure in a slightly different way. I can attest to the fact that the MSI 680 boards does not have weak PCB, they are slightly better than the Sapphire 7970's I had.
Its important to understand there is enough evidence to need these sorts of tests in all reviews. Microstutter has been a big topic on this forum all year.
Which post? None at all. It's perfectly normal to oppose the pursuit of knowledge in any which way you possibly can.
See, you're worse than I am in my assumptions. You dismiss things while I'm open to investigation. Why aren't you? Or am I
mistaken and you are all for it? Clue me in.
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Notice anything special about the wording? Also, do you see anything that says I represent Nvidia? No, I don't think you can.
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So, from this point on, anyone going after me personally for being in the Nvidia focus group gets reported. All I'm saying.
Hmm,there's been a lot of anecdotal evidence regarding GTX670s having poorly made,flimsy PCBs.
I think it would be a good idea for all tech sites on the Net to have a major investigation into that.
After all,if a few users have reported it,that means it's probably true right?
Only a full investigation will do,any NVDA owners who don't think its necessary may have ulterior motives...
It wasn't just his eye at TR, but the data presented did contradict all the other data the same site and dozens of reviews from other sites show.
FUD.
Why do we go to sites and read review, with actual DATA?
Because...then human eye cannot tell the whole story.
If he perceives no stutter, then there is no stutter. Simple as that. I have had microstuttering with my 5970 in a game or two that I can remember, but I will believe someone if they say they have no stuttering.
IMO a test like this is only interesting if there are measurable differences that can actually be perceived. That's why I would like a visual blind test as well.
Looks like Brent has a few things to say about Radeon Pro.
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1732720&page=2
Posts 24 & 25.
You also might see a few familiar posters there.
BrentHardOCP said:I was not able to get the full performance out of CrossFire and also maintain smoothness. While, with SLI, you can.
Hmm,there's been a lot of anecdotal evidence regarding GTX670s having poorly made,flimsy PCBs.
I think it would be a good idea for all tech sites on the Net to have a major investigation into that.
After all,if a few users have reported it,that means it's probably true right?
Only a full investigation will do,any NVDA owners who don't think its necessary may have ulterior motives...
If he perceives no stutter, then there is no stutter. Simple as that. I have had microstuttering with my 5970 in a game or two that I can remember, but I will believe someone if they say they have no stuttering.
IMO a test like this is only interesting if there are measurable differences that can actually be perceived. That's why I would like a visual blind test as well.
False, it might just be his fysiology, while anotehr person CAN detect tit.
Hence we use numbers...they are objective....unlike people.
False, it might just be his fysiology, while anotehr person CAN detect tit.
Hence we use numbers...they are objective....unlike people.
Looks like Brent has a few things to say about Radeon Pro.
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1732720&page=2
Posts 24 & 25.
You also might see a few familiar posters there.
If he perceives no stutter, then there is no stutter. Simple as that. I have had microstuttering with my 5970 in a game or two that I can remember, but I will believe someone if they say they have no stuttering.
IMO a test like this is only interesting if there are measurable differences that can actually be perceived. That's why I would like a visual blind test as well.