Asrock 4CoreDual-SATA2

[jimmor]

Originally posted by: Tokse
I did the BSEL-mod now, but it actually didn't help me get past the 3 Ghz wall (272 FSB), exept for 1 mhz increase in FSB, from orthos stable at 271 FSB to orthos stable at 272 mhz. But it improved my system (and 3Dmark score) anyways because I could run it with the "flexible"-option disabled and therefore higher memory speed (408 mhz bus-speed and timings at 2-2-2-5), memory divider at 6:8.

Before I did the BSEL-mod I could run it at 3 Ghz (271 FSB) with "flexible" enabled in BIOS, but that set my memory bus-speed to 181 mhz (4:6 memory divider). So at that point I was actually preferring to run at 2,7 Ghz, FSB 245 (and thereby memory bus-speed at 245 mhz since the memory divider was at 1:1 and the "flexible"-option was disabled), which gave me better results in 3Dmark. I'm considering the voltmods to try to get past the 3 Ghz wall, but I haven't decided yet... Maybe later... Can I do that with aluminium tape too? I should probably start with the lowest volt-mod to be safe and perhaps increase later..? Are there any scary experiences around of this board getting damaged etc. by the volt-mods?

No reason why you cant do Vcore mods using aluminium tape? Need to be extremely carefull however since the pins you would be trying to link together are not at edge of chip like for BSEL mod. The Vcore mod is therefore definitely much easier/safer using conductive ink/paint ?

Minimum to try for greater than 3GHz is 1.4v ---> how high you actually achieve will depend on the "quality" of your CPU and the level of Vcore "droop" on your particular mobo ?

 

[Sl4yer]

Originally posted by: jimmor

Ok, looking at it from another direction: I used AMIBCP (AMI Bios configuration Program) to look at bios's structure and as expected found your "CPU Host Freq","Actual Freq","PCIE Clock","AGP/PCI Clock" options as awell as my "Overclock Mode","CPU Freq","PCIE Freq", "PCI Freq", options.

Maybe it just depends on which CPU is used ---> I have only ever used E4xxx and E6xxx C2D's ?

Or maybe easirer than that ---> Many of the bios options are "SUPERVISOR ONLY" operated and will therefore only work when you create seperate User/Supervisor" bios passwords ---> which I always do ----> How about you ?

I've only used a Q6600, and I've never set ANY passwords in the BIOS. So I don't think that's it. (I've got the Auto, Async, Sync options).

 

[jimmor]

Originally posted by: Sl4yer

Originally posted by: jimmor

Ok, looking at it from another direction: I used AMIBCP (AMI Bios configuration Program) to look at bios's structure and as expected found your "CPU Host Freq","Actual Freq","PCIE Clock","AGP/PCI Clock" options as awell as my "Overclock Mode","CPU Freq","PCIE Freq", "PCI Freq", options.

Maybe it just depends on which CPU is used ---> I have only ever used E4xxx and E6xxx C2D's ?

Or maybe easirer than that ---> Many of the bios options are "SUPERVISOR ONLY" operated and will therefore only work when you create seperate User/Supervisor" bios passwords ---> which I always do ----> How about you ?

I've only used a Q6600, and I've never set ANY passwords in the BIOS. So I don't think that's it. (I've got the Auto, Async, Sync options).

I therfore assume you have never actually tried to change "CPU Frequency" or "PCIE Frequency", since both are shown in the mobo Bios as "Supervisor" only options ?

 

[Sl4yer]

Originally posted by: jimmor
I therfore assume you have never actually tried to change "CPU Frequency" or "PCIE Frequency", since both are shown in the mobo Bios as "Supervisor" only options ?

I can see and adjust the CPU and PCIE frequencies without a Supervisor password. They're just there to adjust.

I wonder if the flashing technique has anything to do with it, i.e. are both DOS and Windows flashes identical?

 

[jimmor]

Originally posted by: Sl4yer

Originally posted by: jimmor
I therfore assume you have never actually tried to change "CPU Frequency" or "PCIE Frequency", since both are shown in the mobo Bios as "Supervisor" only options ?

I can see and adjust the CPU and PCIE frequencies without a Supervisor password. They're just there to adjust.

I wonder if the flashing technique has anything to do with it, i.e. are both DOS and Windows flashes identical?

Ok.

Although I usually, and prefer to, flash in DOS, I have flashed my 4coredual-sata2 mobo from windows using AFUWIN v4.22 and so far found no difference in end result !

 

[Microsystem]

I found my defult cpu vcore it is 1.325 but cpuz show below 1.3 seem average 1.27(full load)
my volt mode that i think 1.51 is actualy 1.55 but average in cpuz is 1.49(full load)

what is the caus of this difference?
now my cpu vcore is 1.55 or 1.49

 

[dmarook]

The ones who are overclocking this board, are you guys able to suspend the pc? If I am not OC'ing it goes into suspend mode without any problem but if overclocked the PC fans keep on running. Does not appear to be related to PSU as both my old Antec 480 and new Corsair PSU demonstrate the same phenomenon.

 

[cpmee]

Originally posted by: jimmor

Originally posted by: Microsystem

.......I measure VAGP with a digital multi meter
Default: Normal 1.61V and High:1.62V (this wonder me too)

Your bios default "Normal/High" measured values for Vagp seem a bit odd to me ---> hardly worth having two different bios settings ?

My experience of measuring Vagp on 4coredual-vsta and 4coredual-sata mobos is that it was 1.59 and 1.64 volts for same bios settings.

OK, I got around to measuring my vagp, per the vr-forums diagram.

I got Normal = 1.597 volts
Auto = 1.605 volts
High = 1.605 volts

Since my meter also has a temperature probe, I measured temps along with the voltages.
With an old pci card in, the agp mosfet has a temp of 55C at all voltages. Interestingly, without any video card in, the temp is 34C. Ambient was 22C in all cases.

55C before the vagp mod is pretty high, and given the tiny space available for a sink, I dont think a sink does much jimmor. I think some sort of an air hose blowing on the mosfet is what is needed.

 

[cpmee]

Originally posted by: jimmor

Originally posted by: cpmee

Originally posted by: cpmee
@jimmor


I purchased the board the 1st of November from Newegg, so the R2 wasnt out yet and I do have the good audio codec the alc888.

Yep, this is exactly what my bios shows :

CPU Host Frequency [Manual]
Actual Frequency (MHz) [280]
PCIE Clock [100 MHz]
AGP/PCI Clock [66/33 MHz]
Spread Spectrum [Disabled]
Boot Failure Guard [Enabled]

Ratio Acutal Value 10

Max CPUID Value Limit [Disabled]
No-Execute Memory Protection [Disabled]

WDR above also shows the same pcie options. I think it has to do with never having bios version 1.10 on my board. Will test that theory later.

OK, I got around to flashing the bios to 1.10. No change, it still only gives me the options of "Auto", "Sync with CPU", "100MHz", so my theory didnt pan out.

I then flashed to 1.80a, and still no change. So I dont know why the PCIE options are different on the same revision boards.

Ok, looking at it from another direction: I used AMIBCP (AMI Bios configuration Program) to look at bios's structure and as expected found your "CPU Host Freq","Actual Freq","PCIE Clock","AGP/PCI Clock" options as awell as my "Overclock Mode","CPU Freq","PCIE Freq", "PCI Freq", options.

Maybe it just depends on which CPU is used ---> I have only ever used E4xxx and E6xxx C2D's ?

Or maybe easirer than that ---> Many of the bios options are "SUPERVISOR ONLY" operated and will therefore only work when you create seperate User/Supervisor" bios passwords ---> which I always do ----> How about you ?

OK, I changed the User/Supervisor passwords. I still get the same three options. Like you, I also flash the bios from DOS. Puzzling.

 

[cpmee]

Originally posted by: jimmor

Originally posted by: Tokse
I did the BSEL-mod now, but it actually didn't help me get past the 3 Ghz wall (272 FSB), exept for 1 mhz increase in FSB, from orthos stable at 271 FSB to orthos stable at 272 mhz. But it improved my system (and 3Dmark score) anyways because I could run it with the "flexible"-option disabled and therefore higher memory speed (408 mhz bus-speed and timings at 2-2-2-5), memory divider at 6:8.

Before I did the BSEL-mod I could run it at 3 Ghz (271 FSB) with "flexible" enabled in BIOS, but that set my memory bus-speed to 181 mhz (4:6 memory divider). So at that point I was actually preferring to run at 2,7 Ghz, FSB 245 (and thereby memory bus-speed at 245 mhz since the memory divider was at 1:1 and the "flexible"-option was disabled), which gave me better results in 3Dmark. I'm considering the voltmods to try to get past the 3 Ghz wall, but I haven't decided yet... Maybe later... Can I do that with aluminium tape too? I should probably start with the lowest volt-mod to be safe and perhaps increase later..? Are there any scary experiences around of this board getting damaged etc. by the volt-mods?

No reason why you cant do Vcore mods using aluminium tape? Need to be extremely carefull however since the pins you would be trying to link together are not at edge of chip like for BSEL mod. The Vcore mod is therefore definitely much easier/safer using conductive ink/paint ?

Minimum to try for greater than 3GHz is 1.4v ---> how high you actually achieve will depend on the "quality" of your CPU and the level of Vcore "droop" on your particular mobo ?

Ummm, with aluminum "tape" only the shiny side is conductive. The sticky side isnt. Thats why when I did my bsel mod with it, I folded over the legs of the "U" and only the sticky part went on the edge of the chip. Did you do that Toske ???

Conductive paint would be the way to go with vcore mod.

 

[cpmee]

Originally posted by: Microsystem
I found my defult cpu vcore it is 1.325 but cpuz show below 1.3 seem average 1.27(full load)
my volt mode that i think 1.51 is actualy 1.55 but average in cpuz is 1.49(full load)

what is the caus of this difference?
now my cpu vcore is 1.55 or 1.49

Cpu-Z is reporting the vcore voltage at that moment, which is different than the VID. With this board and many others, vdroop is common, so compensate. But personally I wouldnt go any higher than you are now.

 

[cpmee]

Originally posted by: dmarook
The ones who are overclocking this board, are you guys able to suspend the pc? If I am not OC'ing it goes into suspend mode without any problem but if overclocked the PC fans keep on running. Does not appear to be related to PSU as both my old Antec 480 and new Corsair PSU demonstrate the same phenomenon.

Besides the cpu fan, there is only one fan header on this board. That means your other fans must be running directly from the psu.


To control the cpu fan with suspend, you probably need the custom bios with the Speedstep, Enhanced Halt State, Throttling, etc options .

I overclock, and dont use suspend.

 

[brokencase]

Originally posted by: cpmee
Here are "MY" current settings.

Chipset Configuration
==================================================
DRAM Frequency [266MHz (DDRII533) ]
Flexibility Option [Disabled]
DRAM CAS# Latency [3]
DRAM Bank Interleave [4-Way]
Precharge to Active (Trp) [3T]
Active to Precharge (Tras) [9T]
Active to CMD (Trcd) [3T]
REF to ACT/REF to REF (Trfc) [24T]
ACT (0) to ACT (1) (Trrd) [2T]
Read to Precharge (Trtp) [Auto]
Write to Read CMD (Twtr) [2T]
Write Recovery Time (Twr) [3T]
DRAM Bus Selection [Dual Channel]
DRAM Command Rate [2T Command]
> Advanced Memory Configuration [Untouched]
> Advanced Host Configuration [Untouched] Except for Pipeline DRQCTL Enabled

Sorry I was traveling this week.

I did twiddle with the dram settings this evening and was able get from 5200mb/s to 5600mb/s in Sandra.
Thanks for the tips. Every little bit helps.

Still at the wall of 280fsb though. Probably have to do a physical mod to break past that.

 

[dmarook]

Originally posted by: cpmee

Originally posted by: dmarook
The ones who are overclocking this board, are you guys able to suspend the pc? If I am not OC'ing it goes into suspend mode without any problem but if overclocked the PC fans keep on running. Does not appear to be related to PSU as both my old Antec 480 and new Corsair PSU demonstrate the same phenomenon.

Besides the cpu fan, there is only one fan header on this board. That means your other fans must be running directly from the psu.

To control the cpu fan with suspend, you probably need the custom bios with the Speedstep, Enhanced Halt State, Throttling, etc options .

I overclock, and dont use suspend.

Well, suspend works ok and all fans stop when I run my e4500 at stock speed. I have reached 266 FSB and fans just would not stop if I overclock. So it look to me more related to overclocking.

 

[jimmor]

Originally posted by: cpmee

Originally posted by: jimmor

Originally posted by: Microsystem

.......I measure VAGP with a digital multi meter
Default: Normal 1.61V and High:1.62V (this wonder me too)

Your bios default "Normal/High" measured values for Vagp seem a bit odd to me ---> hardly worth having two different bios settings ?

My experience of measuring Vagp on 4coredual-vsta and 4coredual-sata mobos is that it was 1.59 and 1.64 volts for same bios settings.

OK, I got around to measuring my vagp, per the vr-forums diagram.

I got Normal = 1.597 volts
Auto = 1.605 volts
High = 1.605 volts

Since my meter also has a temperature probe, I measured temps along with the voltages.
With an old pci card in, the agp mosfet has a temp of 55C at all voltages. Interestingly, without any video card in, the temp is 34C. Ambient was 22C in all cases.

55C before the vagp mod is pretty high, and given the tiny space available for a sink, I dont think a sink does much jimmor. I think some sort of an air hose blowing on the mosfet is what is needed.

So also pointless having more that one Vagp setting with your particular mobo ---> what have asrock been doing to some of their 4coredual-sata2 mobos ---> weird "new" not so good bios cpu overclocking settings, and now weird bios Vagp settings ?

However, it probably now makes a bit more sense as to why lots of 4coredual users appeared to have weird issues trying to achieve high overclocks ---> a problem which my "version" of 4coredual has never suffered from ?

Yes, the Vagp MOSFET can run into mid 50's (and not much higher, even with 2v vagp ---> it runs from 3.3v supply, and higher Vagp means less volts accross Mosfet) ---> And yes, I have fitted a small "tall" heatsink onto it, and it does help ---> mind you it probably also benefits from the fact that I have a fan fitted inside my case whose job is simply to circulate cool air around ?

The Northbridge heatsink also gets hotter, which is why I fitted a 40x40mm fan.

And just for interest, a main reason that Asrock removed the "EIST/Speedstep" options from the bios was because asrock tech determined that some early Northbridges had overheated and failed because of being deprived of cpu heatsink cooling air when EIST/Speedstep had stepped the fan down to low speeds ? Obviously decided disabling the speedstep functions was easier and much cheaper than fitting a fan onto the northbridge heatsink ?

 

[jimmor]

Originally posted by: cpmee

Originally posted by: jimmor

Originally posted by: cpmee

Originally posted by: cpmee
@jimmor


I purchased the board the 1st of November from Newegg, so the R2 wasnt out yet and I do have the good audio codec the alc888.

Yep, this is exactly what my bios shows :

CPU Host Frequency [Manual]
Actual Frequency (MHz) [280]
PCIE Clock [100 MHz]
AGP/PCI Clock [66/33 MHz]
Spread Spectrum [Disabled]
Boot Failure Guard [Enabled]

Ratio Acutal Value 10

Max CPUID Value Limit [Disabled]
No-Execute Memory Protection [Disabled]

WDR above also shows the same pcie options. I think it has to do with never having bios version 1.10 on my board. Will test that theory later.

OK, I got around to flashing the bios to 1.10. No change, it still only gives me the options of "Auto", "Sync with CPU", "100MHz", so my theory didnt pan out.

I then flashed to 1.80a, and still no change. So I dont know why the PCIE options are different on the same revision boards.

Ok, looking at it from another direction: I used AMIBCP (AMI Bios configuration Program) to look at bios's structure and as expected found your "CPU Host Freq","Actual Freq","PCIE Clock","AGP/PCI Clock" options as awell as my "Overclock Mode","CPU Freq","PCIE Freq", "PCI Freq", options.

Maybe it just depends on which CPU is used ---> I have only ever used E4xxx and E6xxx C2D's ?

Or maybe easirer than that ---> Many of the bios options are "SUPERVISOR ONLY" operated and will therefore only work when you create seperate User/Supervisor" bios passwords ---> which I always do ----> How about you ?

OK, I changed the User/Supervisor passwords. I still get the same three options. Like you, I also flash the bios from DOS. Puzzling.

I just tried playing around with lots of different bios settings, and flashed a few different bioses (older and newer), but still seem to be stuck with Overclock Modes of "Auto", "CPU, PCIE, Async" and "CPU, PCIE, Sync".

My mobo's BIOS Chip has "4COREDUAL-SATA2 P1.10-10B" printed on it, whats on yours ?


And as I previously posted, maybe the bios's "overclocking" options are determined by the type of CPU used ---> I only have experience with E4xxx and E6xxx C2D types ?

So is there someone out there using a 4coredual-sata2 with a E4xxx or E6xxx that doesn't have the three bios "Overclock Mode" options of "Auto","CPU, PCIE Sync", "CPU, PCIE Async" ??

 

[cpmee]

Originally posted by: jimmor

Originally posted by: cpmee

Originally posted by: jimmor

Originally posted by: cpmee

Originally posted by: cpmee
@jimmor


I purchased the board the 1st of November from Newegg, so the R2 wasnt out yet and I do have the good audio codec the alc888.

Yep, this is exactly what my bios shows :

CPU Host Frequency [Manual]
Actual Frequency (MHz) [280]
PCIE Clock [100 MHz]
AGP/PCI Clock [66/33 MHz]
Spread Spectrum [Disabled]
Boot Failure Guard [Enabled]

Ratio Acutal Value 10

Max CPUID Value Limit [Disabled]
No-Execute Memory Protection [Disabled]

WDR above also shows the same pcie options. I think it has to do with never having bios version 1.10 on my board. Will test that theory later.

OK, I got around to flashing the bios to 1.10. No change, it still only gives me the options of "Auto", "Sync with CPU", "100MHz", so my theory didnt pan out.

I then flashed to 1.80a, and still no change. So I dont know why the PCIE options are different on the same revision boards.

Ok, looking at it from another direction: I used AMIBCP (AMI Bios configuration Program) to look at bios's structure and as expected found your "CPU Host Freq","Actual Freq","PCIE Clock","AGP/PCI Clock" options as awell as my "Overclock Mode","CPU Freq","PCIE Freq", "PCI Freq", options.

Maybe it just depends on which CPU is used ---> I have only ever used E4xxx and E6xxx C2D's ?

Or maybe easirer than that ---> Many of the bios options are "SUPERVISOR ONLY" operated and will therefore only work when you create seperate User/Supervisor" bios passwords ---> which I always do ----> How about you ?

OK, I changed the User/Supervisor passwords. I still get the same three options. Like you, I also flash the bios from DOS. Puzzling.

I just tried playing around with lots of different bios settings, and flashed a few different bioses (older and newer), but still seem to be stuck with Overclock Modes of "Auto", "CPU, PCIE, Async" and "CPU, PCIE, Sync".

My mobo's BIOS Chip has "4COREDUAL-SATA2 P1.10-10B" printed on it, whats on yours ?


And as I previously posted, maybe the bios's "overclocking" options are determined by the type of CPU used ---> I only have experience with E4xxx and E6xxx C2D types ?

So is there someone out there using a 4coredual-sata2 with a E4xxx or E6xxx that doesn't have the three bios "Overclock Mode" options of "Auto","CPU, PCIE Sync", "CPU, PCIE Async" ??

My mobo's bios chip has "4COREDUAL-SATA2 P1.50-12B" printed on it. Maybe the structure of the chip is different. Bios 1.30 had this note to it:
"Support Winbond W39V040FCP FWH flash part".

I just downloaded AFUWIN v4.33 and the info part says I have a Winbond W39V040A/BP FWH chip with a core version of 08.00.12 . What do you have ?



It think it would be extra work and trouble for Asrock to make different pcie options for different cpus, so I dont think thats it.

 

[fritzfield]

So, with everything I read, how is it that my e6600 runs at 300FSB no sweat, but croaks at 301 or greater - on stock Intel HSF.?

Where is this 280FSB wall that I keep reading about? I get 300FSB no probs.

AND, where is anyone getting more than 2.8GB RAM recognized by BIOS?

Tres etrange carte-mere as to reliable settings.

I'm glad that this is just an INTERIM transition board and that the final upgrade will have a more predictable use of PCIe, USB, eSATA, yada yada.

 

[cpmee]

Originally posted by: fritzfield
So, with everything I read, how is it that my e6600 runs at 300FSB no sweat, but croaks at 301 or greater - on stock Intel HSF.?

Where is this 280FSB wall that I keep reading about? I get 300FSB no probs.

AND, where is anyone getting more than 2.8GB RAM recognized by BIOS?

Tres etrange carte-mere as to reliable settings.

I'm glad that this is just an INTERIM transition board and that the final upgrade will have a more predictable use of PCIe, USB, eSATA, yada yada.

The stock unmodded FSB wall varies from board to board. For some its 280fsb, others as much as 305fsb.

In my case and I think others, its from my abnormally low "high setting" agp/northbridge voltage of only 1.605volts. Heck I used to have a geforce2 card that needed a bios of setting in any mobo of 1.70volts just to boot.


Whats unpredictable about the usb ? I havent had any problems, other than after clearing the cmos the usb wireless mouse would sometimes lose connection. But that happened on my previous mobo and on pretty much all mobos. So technically, its not unpredictable. :laugh:
Just unplugging the usb and plugging into another usb socket usually does the trick of getting it going again.

 

[brokencase]

Originally posted by: fritzfield
Where is this 280FSB wall that I keep reading about? I get 300FSB no probs.

You don't have a Q6600.

 

[jimmor]

Originally posted by: cpmee

Originally posted by: jimmor

Originally posted by: cpmee

Originally posted by: jimmor

Originally posted by: cpmee

Originally posted by: cpmee
@jimmor


I purchased the board the 1st of November from Newegg, so the R2 wasnt out yet and I do have the good audio codec the alc888.

Yep, this is exactly what my bios shows :

CPU Host Frequency [Manual]
Actual Frequency (MHz) [280]
PCIE Clock [100 MHz]
AGP/PCI Clock [66/33 MHz]
Spread Spectrum [Disabled]
Boot Failure Guard [Enabled]

Ratio Acutal Value 10

Max CPUID Value Limit [Disabled]
No-Execute Memory Protection [Disabled]

WDR above also shows the same pcie options. I think it has to do with never having bios version 1.10 on my board. Will test that theory later.

OK, I got around to flashing the bios to 1.10. No change, it still only gives me the options of "Auto", "Sync with CPU", "100MHz", so my theory didnt pan out.

I then flashed to 1.80a, and still no change. So I dont know why the PCIE options are different on the same revision boards.

Ok, looking at it from another direction: I used AMIBCP (AMI Bios configuration Program) to look at bios's structure and as expected found your "CPU Host Freq","Actual Freq","PCIE Clock","AGP/PCI Clock" options as awell as my "Overclock Mode","CPU Freq","PCIE Freq", "PCI Freq", options.

Maybe it just depends on which CPU is used ---> I have only ever used E4xxx and E6xxx C2D's ?

Or maybe easirer than that ---> Many of the bios options are "SUPERVISOR ONLY" operated and will therefore only work when you create seperate User/Supervisor" bios passwords ---> which I always do ----> How about you ?

OK, I changed the User/Supervisor passwords. I still get the same three options. Like you, I also flash the bios from DOS. Puzzling.

I just tried playing around with lots of different bios settings, and flashed a few different bioses (older and newer), but still seem to be stuck with Overclock Modes of "Auto", "CPU, PCIE, Async" and "CPU, PCIE, Sync".

My mobo's BIOS Chip has "4COREDUAL-SATA2 P1.10-10B" printed on it, whats on yours ?


And as I previously posted, maybe the bios's "overclocking" options are determined by the type of CPU used ---> I only have experience with E4xxx and E6xxx C2D types ?

So is there someone out there using a 4coredual-sata2 with a E4xxx or E6xxx that doesn't have the three bios "Overclock Mode" options of "Auto","CPU, PCIE Sync", "CPU, PCIE Async" ??

My mobo's bios chip has "4COREDUAL-SATA2 P1.50-12B" printed on it. Maybe the structure of the chip is different. Bios 1.30 had this note to it:
"Support Winbond W39V040FCP FWH flash part".

I just downloaded AFUWIN v4.33 and the info part says I have a Winbond W39V040A/BP FWH chip with a core version of 08.00.12 . What do you have ?



It think it would be extra work and trouble for Asrock to make different pcie options for different cpus, so I dont think thats it.

AFUWIN shows "SST 49LF004B FWH, Core 08.00.12" for my bios setup.

However I don't believe the differencies in bios selections has anything to do with the "hardware" that stores the bios image? So it must simply be related to the differencies in our mobo hardware, eg, I have only ever used E4xxx or E6xxx and you haven't ?

And which of course was the purpose of my plea to find someone with a E4xxx or E6xxx that doesn't have the three "Auto", "CPU PCIE, Async" and "CPU PCIE Sync" Overclock Mode options ?

 

[Tokse]

Cpmee originally wrote:
<<Ummm, with aluminum "tape" only the shiny side is conductive. The sticky side isnt. Thats why when I did my bsel mod with it, I folded over the legs of the "U" and only the sticky part went on the edge of the chip. Did you do that Toske ???

Conductive paint would be the way to go with vcore mod.>>




I tried to fold it, but I found that very difficult.. The guide I followed suggested to fold, but said "You can also try not to fold the tip if you encounter any problem":
http://www.tipidpc.com/viewtopic.php?tid=98439&page=1

My aluminium tape is shiny metal on both sides by the way. The only difference is one side is sticky. So when I finally had managed to link the pins with the aluminium tape without the folds, instead of working more long hours to get the fold right I started up and it worked I don't think the little sticky stuff will make much of a difference in terms of conductivity, so maybe it's worth a try with the voltmods too... Conductive paint is pretty expensive around here so that would be nice...

 

[cpmee]

Originally posted by: Tokse
Cpmee originally wrote:
<<Ummm, with aluminum "tape" only the shiny side is conductive. The sticky side isnt. Thats why when I did my bsel mod with it, I folded over the legs of the "U" and only the sticky part went on the edge of the chip. Did you do that Toske ???

Conductive paint would be the way to go with vcore mod.>>




I tried to fold it, but I found that very difficult.. The guide I followed suggested to fold, but said "You can also try not to fold the tip if you encounter any problem":
http://www.tipidpc.com/viewtopic.php?tid=98439&page=1

My aluminium tape is shiny metal on both sides by the way. The only difference is one side is sticky. So when I finally had managed to link the pins with the aluminium tape without the folds, instead of working more long hours to get the fold right I started up and it worked I don't think the little sticky stuff will make much of a difference in terms of conductivity, so maybe it's worth a try with the voltmods too... Conductive paint is pretty expensive around here so that would be nice...

Yes, even the defroster repair paint used to be $6.99 at Pep Boys just a couple of years ago. Now its $11.49. Insane !!! The worst part is, after you open the tiny bottle, it drys out super fast. :|

So youre booting at a 266fsb default ? Yes subjectively, the tape is shiny on both sides to a point. But try measuring the sticky side with a meter. High resistance is what I measure.

If I ever redo my bsel mod, I think I am going to go for the aluminium foil and teeny, tiny, minisule, superglue on the edge method.

 

[cpmee]

Originally posted by: jimmor

Originally posted by: cpmee

Originally posted by: jimmor

Originally posted by: cpmee

Originally posted by: jimmor

Originally posted by: cpmee

Originally posted by: cpmee
@jimmor


I purchased the board the 1st of November from Newegg, so the R2 wasnt out yet and I do have the good audio codec the alc888.

Yep, this is exactly what my bios shows :

CPU Host Frequency [Manual]
Actual Frequency (MHz) [280]
PCIE Clock [100 MHz]
AGP/PCI Clock [66/33 MHz]
Spread Spectrum [Disabled]
Boot Failure Guard [Enabled]

Ratio Acutal Value 10

Max CPUID Value Limit [Disabled]
No-Execute Memory Protection [Disabled]

WDR above also shows the same pcie options. I think it has to do with never having bios version 1.10 on my board. Will test that theory later.

OK, I got around to flashing the bios to 1.10. No change, it still only gives me the options of "Auto", "Sync with CPU", "100MHz", so my theory didnt pan out.

I then flashed to 1.80a, and still no change. So I dont know why the PCIE options are different on the same revision boards.

Ok, looking at it from another direction: I used AMIBCP (AMI Bios configuration Program) to look at bios's structure and as expected found your "CPU Host Freq","Actual Freq","PCIE Clock","AGP/PCI Clock" options as awell as my "Overclock Mode","CPU Freq","PCIE Freq", "PCI Freq", options.

Maybe it just depends on which CPU is used ---> I have only ever used E4xxx and E6xxx C2D's ?

Or maybe easirer than that ---> Many of the bios options are "SUPERVISOR ONLY" operated and will therefore only work when you create seperate User/Supervisor" bios passwords ---> which I always do ----> How about you ?

OK, I changed the User/Supervisor passwords. I still get the same three options. Like you, I also flash the bios from DOS. Puzzling.

I just tried playing around with lots of different bios settings, and flashed a few different bioses (older and newer), but still seem to be stuck with Overclock Modes of "Auto", "CPU, PCIE, Async" and "CPU, PCIE, Sync".

My mobo's BIOS Chip has "4COREDUAL-SATA2 P1.10-10B" printed on it, whats on yours ?


And as I previously posted, maybe the bios's "overclocking" options are determined by the type of CPU used ---> I only have experience with E4xxx and E6xxx C2D types ?

So is there someone out there using a 4coredual-sata2 with a E4xxx or E6xxx that doesn't have the three bios "Overclock Mode" options of "Auto","CPU, PCIE Sync", "CPU, PCIE Async" ??

My mobo's bios chip has "4COREDUAL-SATA2 P1.50-12B" printed on it. Maybe the structure of the chip is different. Bios 1.30 had this note to it:
"Support Winbond W39V040FCP FWH flash part".

I just downloaded AFUWIN v4.33 and the info part says I have a Winbond W39V040A/BP FWH chip with a core version of 08.00.12 . What do you have ?



It think it would be extra work and trouble for Asrock to make different pcie options for different cpus, so I dont think thats it.

AFUWIN shows "SST 49LF004B FWH, Core 08.00.12" for my bios setup.

However I don't believe the differencies in bios selections has anything to do with the "hardware" that stores the bios image? So it must simply be related to the differencies in our mobo hardware, eg, I have only ever used E4xxx or E6xxx and you haven't ?

And which of course was the purpose of my plea to find someone with a E4xxx or E6xxx that doesn't have the three "Auto", "CPU PCIE, Async" and "CPU PCIE Sync" Overclock Mode options ?

My gut feeling is that it is the bios chip structure, but since of course I dont know for sure, I will repeat the plea.



<Anyone with an E4xxxx or E6xxx cpu, what are your PCIE options in bios CPU Configuration. Is it "Auto" "Sync with CPU" "100MHz" or other options ???

Actually, jimmor, this is a statiscally unfair question. The E4xxx and E6xxx came out before the E2XXX cpus did. Therefore, buyers of the first 4CoreDual-Sata2 mobos would be skewed towards the E4XXX and E6XXX.

 

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Originally posted by: cpmee
So youre booting at a 266fsb default ?

Yes, it says 266 mhz at default in bios when i set FSB-setting to manual. When it's at auto it boots at 256 mhz, but I reckon that's because it's e2200

Yes subjectively, the tape is shiny on both sides to a point. But try measuring the sticky side with a meter. High resistance is what I measure.

Hmm.. Maybe there's a difference than.. Question is if the resistance is good enough or not..? Maybe it doesn't have to be ultra low...?