Asrock 4CoreDual-SATA2

[Ileader36]

Originally posted by: radeon6002

Originally posted by: Ileader36

Originally posted by: radeon6002
i have rev2.0 modbo with 2.1 bios, c2d e4300, 2x1gb patriot pdc22g6400elk. my problem is that the memory stars like 1024mb if fsb are set higher than 250. if i lower the fsb everything starts ok (2gb dual). where is my mistake? memory timing 5 5 5 12. flex mode doesn't helps.

Try manually setting the memory timings in bios, also some people have reported success putting DDR2 voltage to Low.

it doesnt work unfortunately. voltage set low, timings set manual to 5 5 5 12(not work if fsb >250)), i was try to set them to 4 4 4 8 and... not work if fsb are set >250)

I think the problem is more related to going over 250fsb, most here can't get that high without running into major problems.
The best way You can get more fsb from your processor is to do the BSEL mod so that Your mobo thinks it is a 266fsb chip, if You are interested just google e4300 bsel and You will find plenty of links.
You would also have to do a Voltage pin mod on the cpu, or alternatively a vcore mod on the motherboard as your e4300 won't boot at 266fsb on its default voltage.

 

[lowrider69]

Can I see a show of hands from people who are successfully running a Q6600 on this board @ stock speeds(2.4Ghz)? I was thinking of buying a Q6600 this month but i'm weary of this board with Quads.

 

[Phatjayunoi]

Originally posted by: lowrider69
Can I see a show of hands from people who are successfully running a Q6600 on this board @ stock speeds(2.4Ghz)? I was thinking of buying a Q6600 this month but i'm weary of this board with Quads.

Running a Q6600 at stock speeds myself and it has been running fine just at that. You will have to set the FSB to Manual and change it to the 266 setting since this board automatically underclocks Quad Core CPUs by 5%.

Now this will be the strange part depending on your own luck since people here have wierd issues regarding this motherboard and the Q6600. Some people aren't able to run at the stocks speeds and have to live with the 5% underclock, some can overclock better than others (Although not really huge), and some just cannot at all. I myself am unable to boot up if I go past 268FSB hence why I have to stay on stock speeds.

I'll be upgrading to a better motherboard someday in the future anyways, so I am perfectly fine with the way things are. It runs stable with all that I want to do and just as long as it works is all that matters.

 

[lowrider69]

Thanks for the response. I'm running a e6240 now but i've been dipping more and more into video editing, etc...So instead of throwing a e7300 or e7400 into this board I would think more cores would benefit me more than more ghz. Funny thing is when I first built this rig this board underclocked my e6420 when set to auto, think it set it to 256mhz. I had to manually set it to 266mhz. So maybe it's not just the quads. If the Q6600 runs stable at 2.4, no lockups, crashes, etc for the majority of the people here...I will seriously consider buying one this week. If I decide not to buy a Q6600 now I might just buy a new board in the next few months.

Let's see some more Q6600 comments.

 

[bobbrooks123]

just bumping up my post for a answer if a bfg 9800gt will run on this board

 

[brokencase]

Lowrider...

I also have a q6600. I am running at 277 fsb with no problems.
I am running 2gig DDR2 and an AGP video card.

Booting clean is the wall. I can go faster if I use the setfsb utility.

 

[Ileader36]

2 days after my BSEL mod on the E5200 and for the moment have settled at 291x11 for 3198mhz as cpuz reports, ran Prime95 for 2 hours where temps hit a max of 72 degrees C , OUCH!!.
Never missed a beat though and keep in mind it is a warm night here in QLD Australia, about 29 degrees C ambient.
I haven't seen those temps before, previous highest about 62, so aren't worried about that.
I have read that mobo's with the ICS953002DFLF PLL IC don't overclock too well, but obviously in this case that isn't true.

I may at some point set the voltage on the cpu from 1.3375v to 1.3625v for a tad more stability, as I am not too certain that at 3333mhz 266*12.5 it was 100%, as one time I ran SuperPI it just exited half way
through, and it is not my ram as that I know will do 227fsb at cas 2.3.2.5 all day, everyday.

At 291fsb the Ram is doing 218mhz on the 4:3 ratio no probs.

The Vdrop by the way, when running prime95 was between 1.344v and 1.292v, so again the 0.1v drop some people have noted didn't occur, prime95 doesn't load up the video card though, so I might run some benchmarks with
speedfan monitoring in the background.

AGP speed as reported by everest is 73mhz, no probs with that, but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me that if the PCIex/AGP/PCI frequencies are all running off the same IC that only the PCIex and PCI get locked, maybe
Everest and other softwares don't correctly measure the speeds?

 

[lowrider69]

Originally posted by: brokencase
Lowrider...

I also have a q6600. I am running at 277 fsb with no problems.
I am running 2gig DDR2 and an AGP video card.

Booting clean is the wall. I can go faster if I use the setfsb utility.

Cool, thanks for the response.

After thinking about it I think I might go for this board and stick with my e6420:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16813157138

I should be able to overclock my e6420 to at least 2.6Ghz with that board(8x333) with stock voltage and heatsink. I like the fact that it supports DDR2 and DDR3 as well. So I can kill two birds with one stone for cheaper than a new CPU, I get a new board with a PCI 16x slot, I can overclock my CPU and sqeeze more juice out of it. When it's time to upgrade my CPU that board supports almost everything.

By the way Asrock shot me an e-mail confirming that the e7400 does indeed work on the Sata-2 with bios 2.10. I was almost going to get a e7400 for the Sata-2 but I lose a mb of cache and Intel VT. Doesn't sound like a big deal but I use VMs a lot lately.

 

[Ileader36]

More information, mainly for those reading this thread later on, I went ahead and Vpin modded my E5200 for 1.3625v, which is Intel's max official for this cpu anyway, had no probs booting at
284x12 , 3408mhz, ran 3dmark01, which gave over 43000, but little extra to be gained from 3dmark06, 11300, proving that my HD3850 AGP is now a bottleneck for the E5200, especially when
overclocked. That is better than the cpu being the bottleneck though.
I won't be messing with the cpu anymore, no need for more speed or volts, but might see what the max stable overclock is at a later time.

The E5200 is a good choice for these mobo's, as will E5300 be all thanks to a high muliplier ratio, and really do crank out the numbers when overclocked, especially after Bsel and Vpin mods unlock the potential.
At 3408mhz ran 1MB SuperPI in 17.6 secs, also my Gskill ZX ddr1 Ram at 215mhzx2 cas 2.3.2.5 is equal bandwith wise to ddr2800 according to Everest.

These E5200 cpu's really do run hot when being cranked, interesting that the Prescott at 90nm was a very hot cpu (90nm Pentium M an exception), whereas the 130nm Northwood was cool. The 65nm Conroe's run fairly cool,and now 45nm Wolfdales also run hot.
Based on that likely 32nm will run cool, and later 23nm will be hot again.

 

[anonxlg]

i tried ocing my e4500 today from 2.4 to 2.8ghz
my system was pretty unstable; normal startup apps would fail to startup
so i set it to 2.5 ghz

i seems stable, but i just got a wallpaper changing error (error changing wallpaper)

is there a setting i'm missing to make ocing more stable?

 

[Microsystem]

Originally posted by: anonxlg
i tried ocing my e4500 today from 2.4 to 2.8ghz
my system was pretty unstable; normal startup apps would fail to startup
so i set it to 2.5 ghz

i seems stable, but i just got a wallpaper changing error (error changing wallpaper)

is there a setting i'm missing to make ocing more stable?

The max overclock capacity I reach to it with E4500 was 2950Mhz with 1.55V.

 

[Microsystem]

Originally posted by: Ileader36
More information, mainly for those reading this thread later on, I went ahead and Vpin modded my E5200 for 1.3625v, which is Intel's max official for this cpu anyway, had no probs booting at
284x12 , 3408mhz, ran 3dmark01, which gave over 43000, but little extra to be gained from 3dmark06, 11300, proving that my HD3850 AGP is now a bottleneck for the E5200, especially when
overclocked. That is better than the cpu being the bottleneck though.
I won't be messing with the cpu anymore, no need for more speed or volts, but might see what the max stable overclock is at a later time.

The E5200 is a good choice for these mobo's, as will E5300 be all thanks to a high muliplier ratio, and really do crank out the numbers when overclocked, especially after Bsel and Vpin mods unlock the potential.
At 3408mhz ran 1MB SuperPI in 17.6 secs, also my Gskill ZX ddr1 Ram at 215mhzx2 cas 2.3.2.5 is equal bandwith wise to ddr2800 according to Everest.

These E5200 cpu's really do run hot when being cranked, interesting that the Prescott at 90nm was a very hot cpu (90nm Pentium M an exception), whereas the 130nm Northwood was cool. The 65nm Conroe's run fairly cool,and now 45nm Wolfdales also run hot.
Based on that likely 32nm will run cool, and later 23nm will be hot again.

What is the max core temperature in this case in full load?
Don?t worry about temperature below 74.1C (fore core) according to Intel and Toms hardware documentations.
Maximum stable overclock capacity is that walled by motherboard FSB=295 that means: 295*12.5=3688 (need Vcore increase to 1.488V)
However the FSB wall can shifted more than 295 by increasing vagp to about 2V(from about 1.6V)

 

[anonxlg]

Originally posted by: Microsystem

Originally posted by: anonxlg
i tried ocing my e4500 today from 2.4 to 2.8ghz
my system was pretty unstable; normal startup apps would fail to startup
so i set it to 2.5 ghz

i seems stable, but i just got a wallpaper changing error (error changing wallpaper)

is there a setting i'm missing to make ocing more stable?

The max overclock capacity I reach to it with E4500 was 2950Mhz with 1.55V.

right now, i have speedstep on
it's at 1.104v at 1368mhz

so do i go into the bios and increase voltage? never done this before

 

[francisA]

Hi!
Just joined today but have been reading up on the forums on the 4CoreDual-SATA2 and the E5200 core duo (or dual core ) till my eyes fall of. Awesome read!!!

Will be replacing my P4C800E-Dlx with 3.0C which I have oc'd to 3.45Ghz (230x15). My OCZ Premium chips though can't go that high, not sure why but maybe also my 5-6yr old Antec TruePower 430W (single 26A +12v rail) is already giving up. Currently running ATI x1950xt clocked at 648/1188. If I push either the CPU, RAM or GPU any further, I just get random reboots or plainly hangs. Plays COD4 ok but struggles with COD5.

Anyways, since my system is already a good few years old, I decided to jump into the Core2Duo bandwagon. But as most here did, retained the DDR400 and AGP cards.
From days of reading, I decided to get the E5200 based on cost/performance ratio.

I ordered the 4CoreDual and E5200 and just waiting for it to arrive along with a Corsair 620HX to give me some future-proofing. No DDR2 yet, got 2x1GB (2-3-3-7) and 2x512MB (2.5-3-3-7) of OCZ so I got the 2GB covered for the new board.

Just read that some are doing the vpin mod to increase the vcore on the E5200 so it can oc more. Is my understanding correct that once the vpin mod is done, it's irreversible? So when I finally decide to get, say, a Gigabyte P45, the E5200 will no longer work with it?

Thanks in advance.

Edit: Forgot to add, I'm not aiming for the sky as far as oc'ing. just want to get to 266Mhz with 4:3 divider so my DDR400s can be happy at 200Mhz. Hope I got the math correctly.

 

[Microsystem]

Originally posted by: anonxlg

Originally posted by: Microsystem

Originally posted by: anonxlg
i tried ocing my e4500 today from 2.4 to 2.8ghz
my system was pretty unstable; normal startup apps would fail to startup
so i set it to 2.5 ghz

i seems stable, but i just got a wallpaper changing error (error changing wallpaper)

is there a setting i'm missing to make ocing more stable?

The max overclock capacity I reach to it with E4500 was 2950Mhz with 1.55V.

right now, i have speedstep on
it's at 1.104v at 1368mhz

so do i go into the bios and increase voltage? never done this before

you should mod your mobo or cpu(is easier) to increase voltage in this mobo

 

[Ileader36]

Originally posted by: Microsystem

Originally posted by: Ileader36
More information, mainly for those reading this thread later on, I went ahead and Vpin modded my E5200 for 1.3625v, which is Intel's max official for this cpu anyway, had no probs booting at
284x12 , 3408mhz, ran 3dmark01, which gave over 43000, but little extra to be gained from 3dmark06, 11300, proving that my HD3850 AGP is now a bottleneck for the E5200, especially when
overclocked. That is better than the cpu being the bottleneck though.
I won't be messing with the cpu anymore, no need for more speed or volts, but might see what the max stable overclock is at a later time.

The E5200 is a good choice for these mobo's, as will E5300 be all thanks to a high muliplier ratio, and really do crank out the numbers when overclocked, especially after Bsel and Vpin mods unlock the potential.
At 3408mhz ran 1MB SuperPI in 17.6 secs, also my Gskill ZX ddr1 Ram at 215mhzx2 cas 2.3.2.5 is equal bandwith wise to ddr2800 according to Everest.

These E5200 cpu's really do run hot when being cranked, interesting that the Prescott at 90nm was a very hot cpu (90nm Pentium M an exception), whereas the 130nm Northwood was cool. The 65nm Conroe's run fairly cool,and now 45nm Wolfdales also run hot.
Based on that likely 32nm will run cool, and later 23nm will be hot again.

What is the max core temperature in this case in full load?
Don?t worry about temperature below 74.1C (fore core) according to Intel and Toms hardware documentations.
Maximum stable overclock capacity is that walled by motherboard FSB=295 that means: 295*12.5=3688 (need Vcore increase to 1.488V)
However the FSB wall can shifted more than 295 by increasing vagp to about 2V(from about 1.6V)

As I posted above, 72 C was the hottest it got running Prime95, under normal conditions it hits about 60 Degrees, also it is Hot here in Brisbane Australia At the moment, so likely 10 C below this come Winter time.
I am more than happy with performance now and will leave motherboard alone as far as mods go, maybe later on.

 

[Ileader36]

Originally posted by: francisA
Hi!
Just joined today but have been reading up on the forums on the 4CoreDual-SATA2 and the E5200 core duo (or dual core ) till my eyes fall of. Awesome read!!!

Will be replacing my P4C800E-Dlx with 3.0C which I have oc'd to 3.45Ghz (230x15). My OCZ Premium chips though can't go that high, not sure why but maybe also my 5-6yr old Antec TruePower 430W (single 26A +12v rail) is already giving up. Currently running ATI x1950xt clocked at 648/1188. If I push either the CPU, RAM or GPU any further, I just get random reboots or plainly hangs. Plays COD4 ok but struggles with COD5.

Anyways, since my system is already a good few years old, I decided to jump into the Core2Duo bandwagon. But as most here did, retained the DDR400 and AGP cards.
From days of reading, I decided to get the E5200 based on cost/performance ratio.

I ordered the 4CoreDual and E5200 and just waiting for it to arrive along with a Corsair 620HX to give me some future-proofing. No DDR2 yet, got 2x1GB (2-3-3-7) and 2x512MB (2.5-3-3-7) of OCZ so I got the 2GB covered for the new board.

Just read that some are doing the vpin mod to increase the vcore on the E5200 so it can oc more. Is my understanding correct that once the vpin mod is done, it's irreversible? So when I finally decide to get, say, a Gigabyte P45, the E5200 will no longer work with it?

Thanks in advance.

Edit: Forgot to add, I'm not aiming for the sky as far as oc'ing. just want to get to 266Mhz with 4:3 divider so my DDR400s can be happy at 200Mhz. Hope I got the math correctly.

My old mobo is a P4P800dlx, the P4C's and P4P's are amongst the best mobo's ever produced IMHO, I had a Pentium M 740 at 2.71ghz running on it, the cpu started giving problems, likely due to having massive Zalman 7000cu sitting onthe core for over a year.
Got a 730 for $21 delivered, but had already upgraded to this, it's fun to have some new hardware to play with anyway.

When You have done Bsel mod, just leave Your Ram at 400mhz, the 4:3 divider is automatic.
If You use circuit writer pen and insulating tape as I have, the mod is fully reversible, as a cotton wool bud dipped in Metho will wipe off the silver from the pen.

Don't worry too much about DDR2, Bandwidth is still good on ddr1 due to lower latency.

 

[francisA]

Thanks Ileader36.

Now I'm off to looking for a circuitwriter locally, worse case though, can order it online from amazon.com

Looks like to get to 266Mhz, I would need to do both the BSEL and vcore mod to 1.3625v. But I'll run the system on stock 2.5Ghz first before messing with it so I can run some benchies for comparison.

Btw, without doing either the BSEL and vcore mods, what's the highest OC that can be achieved (I understand though that mobos and CPUs are different)? Any fsb between 201 - 265Mhz might/will drive the mobo to switch to 4:3 which will in turn lower my RAM speed.

P.S. Oh yeah, the P4C800-E Dlx is such a great board. Am thinking of selling it but maybe just keep it and build a backup or 2nd PC.

 

[VirtualLarry]

What type of tape is best to do the VPIN mods with? Electrical tape? Something else?

 

[cpmee]

Originally posted by: bobbrooks123
just bumping up my post for a answer if a bfg 9800gt will run on this board

It should. My 8800gt works fine after I updated the video cards bios. Since the 9800gt is almost the same thing but newer, your bios on that should already be fixed. Worst case scenario is that youll have to update the vid card bios on another motherboard.

 

[Ileader36]

francisA, At 266fsb the DDR1 ramspeed is 4:3, (compared to fsb) but at a full 400mhz.
I managed about 230x12.5 before mods, my ddr1 ram runs no probs at 230fsb at cas 2.3.2.5, damn good stuff.

Virtual larry, head on over to my thread at Guru3d for someone else Who used tape to do both mods, impressive stuff.

 

[anonxlg]

so i went to the bios looking to up the voltage for cpu to find there is no option

so the only way to up the volt is to mod cpu?

 

[francisA]

i don't have the mobo and cpu yet but been reading about them for the past 2-3 weeks and yeah, there's no way to adjust the vcore in the bios. the only way is the vpin mod.

 

[francisA]

Originally posted by: Ileader36
francisA, At 266fsb the DDR1 ramspeed is 4:3, (compared to fsb) but at a full 400mhz.
I managed about 230x12.5 before mods, my ddr1 ram runs no probs at 230fsb at cas 2.3.2.5, damn good stuff.

thanks m8. can't wait for the board and cpu to arrive so i can go play. just got my new 620w corsair modular psu today. the only thing that's left to be seen is how my 2.3.2.5 OCZ Plats will work on this board. it's a volt hog since it needs 2.8v to get to that timing. right now on my p4c800-e, i'm feeding it 2.75v {max the board can do} and it hits the wall at 460Mhz effective.

 

[lowrider69]

Originally posted by: francisA

Originally posted by: Ileader36
francisA, At 266fsb the DDR1 ramspeed is 4:3, (compared to fsb) but at a full 400mhz.
I managed about 230x12.5 before mods, my ddr1 ram runs no probs at 230fsb at cas 2.3.2.5, damn good stuff.

thanks m8. can't wait for the board and cpu to arrive so i can go play. just got my new 620w corsair modular psu today. the only thing that's left to be seen is how my 2.3.2.5 OCZ Plats will work on this board. it's a volt hog since it needs 2.8v to get to that timing. right now on my p4c800-e, i'm feeding it 2.75v {max the board can do} and it hits the wall at 460Mhz effective.

I think this board does a max of 2.6v for DDR ram, I could be mistaken.