ASRock 4CoreDual-VSTA

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Flapper

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May 5, 2007
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Hi,

I've just 'upgraded' my PSU from a High Power 360W PSU made in about 2003 to a new Akasa Paxpower 500w PSU.


The High-power was reporting 12v rails of about 11.4 which I thought was a little low.

The bloody Akasa, with dual 12v rails, is registering 11.1! - what the hell's going on there?

I'm measuring with Speedfan & Sandra. The bios claims 11.8 (& 12.1 for the high power)


Anyone have any ideas - should I contact Akasa - the PSU cost 55 pounds. I though Akasa had a decent Rep?

ASROCK Quad Dual VSTA
E6600
6800GS AGP
1x Sata HD
1x IDE HD
1x DVDRW
X-FI
2x1 Gig Geil RAM

 

Nmidia

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May 10, 2007
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Hey guys,

did anyone sort the problems with this board not going into standby mode correctly? When i hit standby in windows, it goes to standby, but keeps the PSU and system fans running. A bit annoying to say the least! Any suggestions?
 

funboy6942

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Well I jumped on the Intel bandwagon and got:
The 4coredual -VSTA. Was supposed to be a open box from the Egg for $38 shipped, they sent me a new one instead, woot for me
A E4300 CPU
and 1 gig of kingston DDR2 667

Got it up and running stable on all stock, what do I want to do from here?
Not looking to do any volt mods, so just looking for a started way to oc this sucker to get me going since this is my very first Intel system in over 8 years, all up to now has been AMD, and from all I have read this is totally different to oc then AMD.

Any pointer to do or stay away from doing would be greatly appreciated

TIA
 

funboy6942

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If anyone cares, so far I am at 285x9x running at 2.58 up from 1.8. Gonna let it loop 3dmark 2001 overnight for I have to get to bed, and tomorrow if it is still running, will go up even further if it will let me

BTW I right away up'd my Bios to 1.7 from 1.4 and it didnt like to oc at 250 with my 667 ram runing at 667, so I lowered it to 533 and I am now climbing the ladder of FSB as far as it will let me. All on stock volts, running on stock cooler, and no ram sinks on my cheap, but new, $50 Kingston DDR2 ram.
 

smuni

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May 11, 2007
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Hi everyone! Amazing thread going on here. I do a lot of multi-tasking and gaming and I'm looking for some advice on upgrading mobo/cpu/ram...

I plan to buy the 4CoreDual mobo soon but have no experience with Intel processors. I am currently using an Athlon XP 2400+ 2GHz and I want to buy a CPU that will provide serious performance improvement but costs less than $80-100.

What kind of processor and what range of speeds should I be looking at?
What kind of RAM should I use to take advantage of the processor/mobo?
Are there processors that anyone would recommend in use with this specific mobo?
About C2D's... is the speed basically double the frequency. EX: E4300 1.8GHz -- is that effectively 3.6GHz?

I don't plan to do any overclocking but from what I've read Core2Duo's are great for that. Would this setup be a good place to learn? If so I'm willing to spend a little more than $100 and try to learn to OC. Maybe the E4300?

I greatly appreciate any responses and thank you for your time.
 

funboy6942

Lifer
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Originally posted by: smuni
Hi everyone! Amazing thread going on here. I do a lot of multi-tasking and gaming and I'm looking for some advice on upgrading mobo/cpu/ram...

I plan to buy the 4CoreDual mobo soon but have no experience with Intel processors. I am currently using an Athlon XP 2400+ 2GHz and I want to buy a CPU that will provide serious performance improvement but costs less than $80-100.

What kind of processor and what range of speeds should I be looking at?
What kind of RAM should I use to take advantage of the processor/mobo?
Are there processors that anyone would recommend in use with this specific mobo?
About C2D's... is the speed basically double the frequency. EX: E4300 1.8GHz -- is that effectively 3.6GHz?

I don't plan to do any overclocking but from what I've read Core2Duo's are great for that. Would this setup be a good place to learn? If so I'm willing to spend a little more than $100 and try to learn to OC. Maybe the E4300?

I greatly appreciate any responses and thank you for your time.

Well I can answer these questions for I was in your boat a few days ago, as this was also my first real Intel build, and I wanted something better then my AMD 4000+.

I read all I could on the intel E4300 chip, and overclocked it will smoke the baddest Intel chip out there they have at its stock settings in all areas, games, decoding, you name it, over clocked the E4300 turns into one bad mother....shut your mouth!

I bought this board in question due to the fact it was the cheapest at the time that newegg had for $38 as a open box unit, even though they sent me a new one It may not be the best overclocker, for there is not much to it, and will not max out the E4300, it is prolly by far the easiest to get you started into overclocking with not much there to mess up and kill your goods, and has a fail safe in place so that if you are to aggresive, will pull everything back, and still boot without you having to open your system up to clear cmos.

To OC the E4300 on this is just like the old Socket A 3200+ chips, you raise FSB till it wont go no more, then back it down a few and your done. Good if your new to overclocking, or not mad about it but want a decent gain over stock, and a fail safe knowing your not going to fry your new toys, this is the perfect board IMO. With other boards it starts to get more aggressive with more stuff to turn on and off, multiplier timing, the whole kit and kaboodle, which for a first timer can be very intimidating. I myself wasnt looking for all out, get this sucker to cook eggs on it and some toast, and I wanst looking to spend gobs of money either, so this was just the perfect choice for me to take the plunge finally into the Intel world without spending a lot of money if I didnt care too much for it, learn some of the Intel overclocking secrets as time goes on, and later move on to a different chip or board.

With that said, I couldnt not be happier with my results over stock with the E4300, nore with the overclocking I was able to do with the board showing me just what can be had now, and in the future if I wanted to proceed further.

In stock timing, the E4300 was on par with my A64 4000+, beating in by a slight few hundred point when testing it in 3dmark 2001, 2003, and 2005. In stock mode I got in 2001 a total of 24520 point, and the 4000+ got 23471. Not to bad considering that the 4000+ is clocked at 2.4ghz, and the E4300 is at 1.8. But overclocked and it becomes a whole different animal in itself
At 310FSB it really took off and left my 4000+ eating crow, even overclocked my 4000+ couldnt ever meet that, and I dont think me spending another $115 on another AMD chip new or used would come close to that, my mouth dropped as it just kept going faster and faster, when my board, not the chip said no more. If I was able to bump up my stock volts slightly, or change my ram timing a bit I am sure it will hit 3.0 and then some. But for now, it is doing exactly what I hoped it would do and more.

You buying the same set up, the board, the chip, and a stick of Kingston DDR2 667 for $40 shipped all at newegg right now, and it will make your system look pathetic as it did mine, stock no less, and then overclocking it, wont even be a challenge. Best money I have spent in a long time. On upgrade from here I can see doing for a year or two would be a much better graphics card, or going crossfire, and a better board to squeeze out more from the cpu. After that, it will depend on what Intel has to offer in place of this, or if AMD has something out to meet and/or exceed this chip making me go back to AMD.

As you can tell I am happy i took the change, and looking forward to seeing what more it will do later on, right now though, I am still here with my mouth dropped in disbelief that less then $200 I spent gave me that much of a increase, I can max out all my game setting now, without worry of slowdown. Hope this helped you.

And as far as ram goes it takes both DDR 400 and DDR2 533/667. In order for me to get the clock results I did though I got the 667 ram and clocked it in bios as 533, for once it hit 250 fsb the ram could not take any more, dropping it down to 533 will allow me to take the fsb to 333 matching my rams internal speed, and then slightly past that to where it will oc and quit on me again. I would say if you want to overclock, you have got to have great DDR 400 ram, or buy the 1gig for 40 bucks, underclock it so you can overclock the cpu. $40 for 1gig of ram is nuts, I didnt pay that much for my one stick of DDR400
 

lookin4dlz

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I ordered this board + an e4400 to go w/ my old AGP video card & DDR400 ram. Should be here Monday, so I'll report back on the oc-ability then.
 

smuni

Junior Member
May 11, 2007
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Well funboy42, your post is most exciting and appreciated. I would place my order today but I figure I'll wait and hear what lookin4dlz has to say about his experience.
 

capler

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May 6, 2007
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Originally posted by: Nmidia
Hey guys,

did anyone sort the problems with this board not going into standby mode correctly? When i hit standby in windows, it goes to standby, but keeps the PSU and system fans running. A bit annoying to say the least! Any suggestions?
I answered this on pg11 of this thread
 

smuni

Junior Member
May 11, 2007
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Here's what I plan to buy:

ASRock 4CoreDual-VSTA
Intel Core2Duo E4300 1.8
Kingston 1GB DDR2 667 (PC2 5300)


In addition I'm running...

256mb GeForce 6600 AGP 8x
2 IDE HDDs
1 SATA HDD (1.5)
1 IDE CDRW
1 SATA DVD-ROM

I wonder if my current 350 Watt PSU will be sufficient. Any thoughts?

 

funboy6942

Lifer
Nov 13, 2001
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Originally posted by: smuni
Here's what I plan to buy:

ASRock 4CoreDual-VSTA
Intel Core2Duo E4300 1.8
Kingston 1GB DDR2 667 (PC2 5300)


In addition I'm running...

256mb GeForce 6600 AGP 8x
2 IDE HDDs
1 SATA HDD (1.5)
1 IDE CDRW
1 SATA DVD-ROM

I wonder if my current 350 Watt PSU will be sufficient. Any thoughts?

If that is a generic PSU supply, then I would say spend a few more $$ on a good one for you dont wish to fry all your new, and used toys due to over voltage. If it is a name brand, check the AMPs on the 12v line, if it is of good strength, 18a or better, it may hold up. For my system:
Asrock 4coredual-Vsta
E4300
Sony DVDRW
2 WD IDE 250 GIG hdds
X1900GT

I run a Roswell RP500 500Watt PSU on that with 26amps on the 12v line, no fear of over powering my set up, good psu, and no chance of catching fire/burning up my goods.

Good start to check, a list of some known good and bad PSU's

The Roswill I been using for years without a single problem in many pc's I have built, with a ton more stuff inside then what its running now.
Oh and it is both 20 and 25 pin. Comes with an adapter to make it a 20 pin.
 

smuni

Junior Member
May 11, 2007
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Turns out my PSU is an Allied C300. 26A on the +5 and 18A on the +12V. Not so sure I want to chance it though. Do you think it'll hold?
 

funboy6942

Lifer
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Originally posted by: smuni
Turns out my PSU is an Allied C300. 26A on the +5 and 18A on the +12V. Not so sure I want to chance it though. Do you think it'll hold?

I did some searching into that PSU for I have never heard of the company Allied. In my findings I found that Tigerdirect seems to love them for they are all over google with them two together, and they seem to put the Allied brand into the systems they build and ship out.

Further more they are actually made by a company called Apex, that seems to make all kinds of end user products.

After reading this review on their 500 watt
I am kinda on the fence on yours. It would seem to me it would be a good performer after reading the review on the 500, and tigerdirect is mass shipping them out in the systems they build, so I am sure they dont want to be shipping out a PSU that is going to fail their systems any time soon, however, 300watts is not going to power much more, and sometime down the line you will need to upgrade to something a little bigger if you decide to go with more HDD's, and a power hungry video card. I would say one dvd drive, hdd, video card, and the mobo you should be ok, hell you dont have to much a choice with only 4 device connectors, so anything much over that, I would go buy something else.

Thats my opinion, I have a small cheap PSU my self as well, it has but the 4 connectors, and I am afraid to put much more on there then those 4. If you need to use more then 4, I wouldn't buy an adapter and chance it, just buy another psu, no sense in burning the house down over $50-$75, and you can usually find a nice used PSU in the fs/ft section on the cheap, for a name brand, I just got a Antec 550 trupower myself for $35 shipped.

In looking back at your specs, you can cut down on some power if you pictch the one cdrw, and dvd rom buy buying a dvdrw. It would take the place of those 2 drives and it records on both cdr and dvdr. They can be had, oem and new, at newegg for under $40, and would cut your devices to 4 maxing out you psu connections, and should get away with that psu for a bit longer, and bring you into the year 2000 with a dvd burner in place of a cdrw
 

smuni

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May 11, 2007
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Bring me into the year 2000 huh? Burn. Thanks for your continued advice on this matter. I think I'll go ahead and upgrade the PSU and optical... I mean why not?
 

lookin4dlz

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May 19, 2001
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Originally posted by: lookin4dlz
I ordered this board + an e4400 to go w/ my old AGP video card & DDR400 ram. Should be here Monday, so I'll report back on the oc-ability then.

Apparently, Newegg's "3-day Select" shipping service takes 5-6 days - Ordered on 5/10, both items scanned warehouse on 5/11, etimate delivery for the processor is 5/16 & the board 5/15. I'm rather disappointed with Newegg, I'd rather have been quoted 5-6 days if that's what's going to happen...
 

funboy6942

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Was not meant to be a burn, and if you have the funds to do it, may as well. You will only feel good when it is complete with all the new components inside, keeping your other unit to run as a server, you going for everything else, may as well buy yourself a new case while your at it and complete the build with a whole new look.

If you need help in finding a case, lmk what your into and I will search and find you something that meets your needs, that may be on a budget, but wont feel like it. Your new here, and you come to a place thats like family. I am retired due to health reasons with usually a lot of time on my hands to do a lot of researching before I buy anything myself, and dont mind doing that for others as well. If you have a budget, and you dont feel like doing the search or just want a few places to go to start, hit me up with a pm, be happy to help you further. If I cant answer the question, I will try my best to look it up for you to make sure I give you a honest answer.

Welcome, hope you stick around
 

capler

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May 6, 2007
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For some reason some of my USB devices (mouse/keyboard/bluetooth dongle) fail to respond after I wake from S3 or S4 standby.

This doesn't happen everytime, but it seems temporamental (about 50% of the time). Sometimes it happens to just my mouse, sometimes just my keyboard, othertimes both. Unplugging and replugging to the USB port doesn't get it to re-detect.

I have this issue with both the latest 1.70 and also the modded-1.70A bios, and it doesn't seem to make a difference whether I enable or disable USB Legacy-support in the bios either. I have the +5VSB jumper enabled on the mobo (and haven't tried switching it to 5V yet as I don't think this'll help).

Any ideas? I'm using Vista 32-bit.


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ASRock 4CoreDual-VSTA motherboard
Intel Core2Duo E6420 (2.13Ghz) non-overclocked
MS Vista 32-bit
 

focussoft

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May 14, 2007
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Originally posted by: Aeridyne

Hey, the open box items on newegg, have you ever gotten one? Or has anyone here gotten one for that matter? I was under the impression that they were returns, so they could be something refurb and that they come with NOTHING not even the back panel?

-------------------------
Ive got two guns...one for each of ya.

My first post on this forum:

I bought a open box mobo from newegg once (asus p4s800d)
There were no cables and no i/o shield in the box
Also driver cd was missing
Besides the mobo was DOA too
RMA it and recieved another mobo which after installing went up in flames and smoke
Knowing u can't RMA a mobo with burned off circuits i just left it by that and returned to my old p4s533 4x agp which i still use today

Plan to buy a ASRock 4CoreDual-VSTA with a e4400 c2d and 2gb of G.Skill ddr2 800 for overclock future
That way i can keep using my HIS radeon X1650Xt Turbo IceQ AGP i bought last month

Think this will be a major upgrade from my overclocked p4 1.6A@2.38Ghz

Saw ppl reporting problems with the 2nd DDR2 slot so decided to buy 1x 2Gb chip instead of 2x 1Gb
 

Flapper

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May 5, 2007
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Hello again

RE: my earlier post about this ASROCK board and a new AKASA PSU


Does anyone else have lower than expected voltage rails reported through software monitoring programs such as Speedfan and Sandra?

As I mentioned earlier, I get 11.1-11.4 on the 12v rail reported by software monitors

Yet it says 11.8v in the BIOS.

I hear that the BIOS reading is more reliable

three questions:

1) Does anyone else notice a .5v voltage reading difference (software vs BIOS readings)
2) What 12v rail readings are others getting - please list your PSU
3) Should I be worried !?


Thanks for any advice

Flapper
 

funboy6942

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3.32
5.14
12.30-40~

4coredual mobo bios, and a rosewell rp500 500 watt psu (not the new rp500-2, but the older with the single 12v rail with 26a on the line)

Runing on the board is 2 wd 250gig ide hdd
1 sony dvdrw
soundblaster x-fimusic
X1900gt with 2 power lines going into my PCI-E power adapter for the card.

Hope that helps. BTW as long as your around +/-10% on the voltage your good, but I would say you have something sucking some juice making it hard to keep it at a steady 12v, or bios is showing wrong and get a line tester or volt meter and see real values to be sure. Bios is known to lie, and same with some programs, one sure fire way is to hook up the tester. If it shows you to be really under 12v, may want to look at your mobo for swolen/leaking caps, pull your psu apart looking for the same thing, borrow or just buy yourself a new one and say screw it
 

Flapper

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Thanks for the info Funboy.

I wish I'd bought a PSU with a single 12v Rail with a big ampage!

I think I'll get a volt-reader thingy, check the real voltage and possibly RMA the PSU.

Initially I thought that low volage was causing a GPU related crash on Civ IV. Now I'm not so sure. I've run burn-in programs and graphics intensive benchmarks and the PC is stable. It's only on Civ IV that it crashes. So, hardware-wise at lease, perhaps I should quit worrying.

cheers
Flapper
 

funboy6942

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Originally posted by: Flapper
Thanks for the info Funboy.

I wish I'd bought a PSU with a single 12v Rail with a big ampage!

I think I'll get a volt-reader thingy, check the real voltage and possibly RMA the PSU.

Initially I thought that low volage was causing a GPU related crash on Civ IV. Now I'm not so sure. I've run burn-in programs and graphics intensive benchmarks and the PC is stable. It's only on Civ IV that it crashes. So, hardware-wise at lease, perhaps I should quit worrying.

cheers
Flapper

Sometimes when you worry to much, your looking for a problem, listening and watching everything, and your mind makes one up for you

Its best to just leave well enough alone, and tell yourself that you checked, double checked, triple checked, stop playing mind games with yourself and enjoy what you got, then driving yourself crazy making up problems that are not even there.

When I managed auto service places, lots of people would worry themselves crazy, on a tiny squeak, and when they bring the car in, they would swear the squeak was a huge problem, gonna make the car fall apart, and kill them, when it was nothing more then a bushing that needed to be greased, or something really simple. And then even after I fixed it, they would be on such a high sense of alertness, they were just looking for problems, and making up ones that were normal, or wasnt even car related. Hell, I have done it a few times myself, just got to get control over yourself, and take the green pill, and relax is all. Then a few weeks later, you wouldnt even be thinking about it, it becomes normal and go about your life
 

onliner

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May 15, 2007
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Originally posted by: Flapper
Hello again

RE: my earlier post about this ASROCK board and a new AKASA PSU


Does anyone else have lower than expected voltage rails reported through software monitoring programs such as Speedfan and Sandra?

As I mentioned earlier, I get 11.1-11.4 on the 12v rail reported by software monitors

Yet it says 11.8v in the BIOS.

I hear that the BIOS reading is more reliable

three questions:

1) Does anyone else notice a .5v voltage reading difference (software vs BIOS readings)
2) What 12v rail readings are others getting - please list your PSU
3) Should I be worried !?


Thanks for any advice

Flapper


I'm seeing the same problem and little worried.

The BIOS reads 12.1v, but Everest or speedfan reports as 11.49v

I have Fortron AX450-PN, it's got 18A on two 12V rail.

ASRock 4CoreDual-VSTA (BIOS 1.4)
E4300
6800GS agp
3 HDs
1 optical drive

I haven't encountered any crash.
 

ronach

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The 12v reading in my bios is within .1 volts of the reading I get from my DVM..it should be close enough. A suggestion for you young techno up and comers, is to get a DVM and learn how to use it, it should last you for years if you take care of it. Don't leave the batteries in it if you won't be using it for awhile, and if you are a fugnut and can't determine the polarity of the voltage you want to read..or if it is AC or DC..then get one that is completely automatic..that way you won't burn the bietch up. heh..look mom..ain't the blue smoke great.
 
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