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capteric35

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Jul 28, 2007
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Hi Again All,
I got my 4 core dual VSTA today!
The bios sticker says 1.7- 10B.
Does anybody know anything about that version of the BIOS?

Also I eas looking at the ASROCK website and I see several versions of the bios are labeled "DOS" and others are labeled "Windows".
Would I prefer a DOS version since I am going to try to run Windows 98SE?
\ Thanks for any help,
Eric
 

capteric35

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Sorry about that. I kept looking and found that those "Versions" of BIOS were just the flashing program, DOS or Windows.

Sheepishly Yours,
Eric
 

jacn

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Aug 3, 2007
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Hello Everybody

It is my first post. I have a asrock 4core dual-Vista and in my opinion it´s very stable.
Today I flash my bios to 2.00 version. Any ideas about iten "Modify memory code" in this new release?
And another questions: What is the IDE Strenght option in Bios?

Thanks


 

petermarkab

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Aug 4, 2007
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Excellent thread but I have a stability problem with this board (4coredual-vsta)...

cpu: Core 2 Duo E4300
vga: nvidia 6600GT agp
mem: 1x Kingston 512MB DDR1 333MHz
1x Corsair 512MB DDR1 333MHz
disk: seagate barracuda 7200.7 120GB (ide)
OS: vista (x86) ultimate
ubuntu 7.04

I've installed the official v2.00 bios update, and have set the BIOS to all the defaults (shorting the cmos pin)
I've changed vga setting to AGP, 8x (explicitly), 128MB aperture.
Everything else is untouched.

Vista installs fine, but i get freezes after about an hour.
install nvidia vista driver but graphics output is corrupted, so i roll back to MS driver.
booting into safe mode shows a hang on crcdisk.sys, so i double checked my hard disks, properly wiped them (using darik boot and nuke), reinstalled, problem remains.
Big mystery is ubuntu 7.04 runs perfectly, no freezes (haven't yet installed nvidia restricted driver though - will try next) but vista is unstable.
this leads me to think it is a software problem with vista, but with one caveat... on my previous system, vista ran fine!

does anyone have any ideas?

ps. if i've omitted any info, just ask
 

Mr Vain

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Originally posted by: jacn
Hello Everybody

It is my first post. I have a asrock 4core dual-Vista and in my opinion it´s very stable.
Today I flash my bios to 2.00 version. Any ideas about iten "Modify memory code" in this new release?
And another questions: What is the IDE Strenght option in Bios?

Thanks

I think IDE strength is to do with the voltage to your IDE controller; more voltage can help certain drives if they are crashing the system.

 

Mr Vain

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Originally posted by: petermarkab
Excellent thread but I have a stability problem with this board (4coredual-vsta)...

cpu: Core 2 Duo E4300
vga: nvidia 6600GT agp
mem: 1x Kingston 512MB DDR1 333MHz
1x Corsair 512MB DDR1 333MHz
disk: seagate barracuda 7200.7 120GB (ide)
OS: vista (x86) ultimate
ubuntu 7.04

I've installed the official v2.00 bios update, and have set the BIOS to all the defaults (shorting the cmos pin)
I've changed vga setting to AGP, 8x (explicitly), 128MB aperture.
Everything else is untouched.

Vista installs fine, but i get freezes after about an hour.
install nvidia vista driver but graphics output is corrupted, so i roll back to MS driver.
booting into safe mode shows a hang on crcdisk.sys, so i double checked my hard disks, properly wiped them (using darik boot and nuke), reinstalled, problem remains.
Big mystery is ubuntu 7.04 runs perfectly, no freezes (haven't yet installed nvidia restricted driver though - will try next) but vista is unstable.
this leads me to think it is a software problem with vista, but with one caveat... on my previous system, vista ran fine!

does anyone have any ideas?

ps. if i've omitted any info, just ask


Different ram brands together are not the best, make sure you select single channel for the ram in the bios and run the latest Nvidia and VIA drivers.
Also in the bios set IDE strength up to normal and AGP voltage up a notch.

 

Hidari

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Jul 11, 2007
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Originally posted by: Mr Vain


I think IDE strength is to do with the voltage to your IDE controller; more voltage can help certain drives if they are crashing the system.


First time to hear about this...

Higher IDE Strength = Higher voltage? But people around said that when it is highest they are also crashing.
 

jacn

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Aug 3, 2007
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Thanks Mr. Vain

Resume my system:

CPU Type Intel Pentium 4 650, 3553 MHz (17 x 209)
Motherboard Name ASRock 4CoreDual-VSTA (4 PCI, 1 PCI-E x4, 1 AGP, 2 DDR DIMM, 2 DDR2 DIMM, Audio, LAN)
Motherboard Chipset VIA Apollo PT880 Ultra
System Memory 2048 MB (PC3200 DDR SDRAM)
System BIOS Date 07/25/07
Video BIOS Date 01/18/06
DMI BIOS Version P2.00

CPU Clock 3553.4 MHz (original: 3400 MHz, overclock: 5%)
CPU Multiplier 17.0x
CPU FSB 209.0 MHz (original: 200 MHz, overclock: 5%)
Memory Bus 209.0 MHz
DRAM:FSB Ratio 1:1

DIMM2: Kingston K 1 GB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (3.0-3-3-8 @ 200 MHz) (2.5-3-3-7 @ 166 MHz) (2.0-2-2-6 @ 133 MHz)
DIMM4: Kingston K 1 GB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (3.0-3-3-8 @ 200 MHz) (2.5-3-3-7 @ 166 MHz) (2.0-2-2-6 @ 133 MHz)
Memory Timings 3-3-3-8 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
Command Rate (CR) 2T

Video Adapter NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GS (256 MB)
3D Accelerator nVIDIA GeForce 7800 GS AGP
Monitor LG Flatron L1740B [17" LCD] (1501103349)
GPU Clock 500 MHz (original: 440 MHz)
Memory Clock(DDR) 1540 MHz (original: 1350 MHz)

Audio Adapter SigmaTel STAC9750/51 @ Creative Audigy LS (SB0312) Sound Card

IDE Controller VIA Bus Master IDE Controller - 0571
IDE Controller VIA Serial ATA Controller - 0591
Storage Controller SCSI/RAID Host Controller
Disk Drive ST320410A (20 GB, 5400 RPM, Ultra-ATA/100)
Disk Drive ST380011A (80 GB, 7200 RPM, Ultra-ATA/100)
Optical Drive ASUS DVD-ROM E616 (16x/48x DVD-ROM)
Optical Drive HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4082B (DVD+RW:8x/4x, DVD-RW:8x/4x

3DMark 2005 Benchmark 6902


My IDE Strenght option is normal and I don´t have problems in my machine.

 

Mr Vain

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Originally posted by: Hidari
Originally posted by: Mr Vain


I think IDE strength is to do with the voltage to your IDE controller; more voltage can help certain drives if they are crashing the system.


First time to hear about this...

Higher IDE Strength = Higher voltage? But people around said that when it is highest they are also crashing.

Keep it at default, only play with it if you need to.

 

Lozzo

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Aug 6, 2007
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Hi all! First post and all that, be gentle with me...

As part of an uber*cheap*, long overdue upgrade I got my hands upon one of these boards. A week later, my supplier popped up with the SATA2 version mind, oh well, not to worry as part of the attraction was the ability to run all my 4 IDE devices and AGP video card without having to shell out any extra cash.. Jobs a goodun. Pair this board with a E2160, sell my old board, CPU and memory (ASRock K7S8X-E, AMD Barton 2500+@3200+ and a straight swap of my 2x512DDR400s for 2x512DDR2/667s..). Total cost for upgrade, about 40 quid. Result!


So far, so good. Board fired up first time, flashed BIOS from 1.40 to 1.80, CPU got a "gentle" overclock from 1.8Ghz to 2.62Ghz (FSB 290), set memory to DDR2/533 in BIOS, disabled flexibility and done all the other little odds&sods that I've read up about with these (and the similar 775Dual) particular boards. All fine. XP Pro and Vista Ultimate all installed, happy and stable.

So, current specs. E2160 @ 2.62Ghz, 1Gb DDR2/667 actually running at 580Mhz, Leadtek A7600GS TDH AGP card, 3xIDE HDDS and a DVDRW drive, all powered from a NorthQ 500W supply, with ample amps all round.

It runs like like a raped ape! Blazingly fast compared to my old AMD rig, nice and stable and anyone who says that the XP3200 shouldnt bottlenext a 7600GS is just plain wrong. CoD2 has never ran so well, also Area 51/Far Cry and assorted other games. Groovy!

Except in 2D performance. 32-bit colour 2d performance in WinXP is all rather sluggish. If there is loads going on on-screen, you can almost see XP drawing the GUI in when minimizing/maximizing windows and so on.

All is fine and blazingly fast in 16-bit colour, just that 32-bit colour is noticably slow. I never had this problem on my old board which made it all the more noticable in this one.

All is fine in Vista, whether using Aeroglass or classic theme, things all happy there..

I've tried a couple of VIA 4-in 1 drivers, made sure the AGP driver updated from the standard M$ one that installs with XP, various Nvidia drivers from the 93.71s upwards, still the same.

3D performance in Dx or OpenGL *rocks*. 16-bit colour 2D performance *rocks*. 32-bit colour sucks a bit.


I've got my trusty old GF4Ti4200 here somewhere, when I finally dig it out I'll try that, see if the problem is limited to my 7600GS or if it is a general Nvidia/VIA thing. I did see a thread a while ago about a similar problem with a 6600GT, but no follow up to it. I imagine its not a common one otherwise various forums would be full of it.

Anyway, any ideas/resolutions for this? I've tried clocking the CPU back down to standard (200FSB) and variations between that and my current speed of 290, I've tried various AGP aperture settings, enable/disable fast writes, 4x AGP instead of 8, and as for the other AGP settings I don't understand what the rest of them mean, but tried flipping a few with no result.



Secondly, a more minor one. The board is supposed to be able to lock the PCI/PCI-E bus whilst fiddling with the FSB. However, according to SiSoft Sandra, the PCI and PCI-E bus is rising along with the FSB.

With my FSB at 290, Sandtra reports the PCI bus as being at 36Mhz, AGP bus at 72Mhz, V-link at 72Mhz and PCI=E at 72Mhz. Having PCI ect set at aSync to FSB appears to make no difference at all, and no matter what I set PCI/PCI-E speed at in BIOS, the same results in Sandra with FSB at 290.
Setting FSB to 200 or 266 seems to resolve all bus speeds back to standard 33/66/100Mhz.

Is this a problem with Sandra misreporting the various bus speeds, as this whole untied overclocking thing is a rather prominent part of the advertising of this board, the 880 chipset certainly is capable of locking the PCI bus according to VIA, so I'm sure more people would have kicked up a fuss if they were lying about it...

Is there a certain BIOS revision that ensures bus locking, or should I just assume that Sandra is telling me porkies.



There you go, first post cherry popped. Apologies for the length, but the missus never complains..
 

bigsnyder

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Nov 4, 2004
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I have had better luck with the standard MS AGP driver, however you might already be running it. The VIA Hyperion driver installer will often not give the option to upgrade the AGP driver. When that happens, you have to upgrade it manually. You can check the driver properties in the device manager too tell which one you are using.
 

Lozzo

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I did try forcing the Hyperion driver in place of the standard Microsoft SP2 AGP one.

VIA driver is named AGP 2.0/3.0, if I recall correctly as opposed to the Microsoft Via AGP driver. I did try all 3 versions that device manager would let me try, the first being the standard UAGP.sys M$ one, the viaagp1.sys thats with the AGP 2.0/3.0 one, and another M$ one called GAGP.sys if I recall correctly, that put the card, according to Riva Tuner, into PCI mode.


No difference between any of them, well apart from the PCI mode one which slowed things down even more...


Hmm. Tis a melon scratcher and no mistake!
 

igotyofire

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Jun 16, 2007
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I know everyone recommends using ddr2 667 with this board, i was wondering does or should ddr2 675 work well with this board as well, i was thinking about getting some of the CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 675 (PC2 5400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X2048-5400c4 - Retail from newegg
 

chuckerp

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Aug 10, 2007
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Lozzo,

Nice to see you are having good results with this board. I just ordered this board in a bundle from Mwave, including the new E4400 cpu and 1GB of Crucial DDR2/533. I'm replacing an old Asrock socket A K7S41 board and Sempron 2200, both of which are running perfectly fine, but I will hand them down to my nephew, his desktop having recently quit. I'm not going to overclock or play games with the new installation. I just need a stable and reasonable performer to run my Oracle 10G database that I use for software development. That older Asrock and Sempron ran it just fine and was solid as a rock. I hope this new board is as stable.
 

Sayyym

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Jun 4, 2007
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Hi everyone, just a quick question. In the new v2.0 bios for this board it says that there is support for ATI 2xxx cards, but there are still none listed in the VGA support list. i have tried contacting ASrock several times to ask for a definitive answer as to whether these cards actually work with this board but have yet to receive one so i figured id just ask here. Has anyone tried a 2xxx series card in this motherboard and got it to work successfully? Thanks for any help in advance.
 

keeleysam

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Feb 8, 2005
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I just built three systems yesterday using this board, but I'm having a bit of an issue with all of them. Instead of having the FSB be 266MHz, it is running at 251MHz. If I go in the BIOS and set the overclocking mode to any mode but auto to try and set it to 266MHz, it won't boot the OS. On POST, it shows the correct full speed for each CPU, but those speeds are not what it actually runs at.

Two of these systems are using Xeon X3210 chips, the other is using an E6700. All have 2GB of Micron D9 ram, and good power supplies.

Please help!
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/7442/lowfsbos2.png

 

Stumps

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Jun 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: Sayyym
Hi everyone, just a quick question. In the new v2.0 bios for this board it says that there is support for ATI 2xxx cards, but there are still none listed in the VGA support list. i have tried contacting ASrock several times to ask for a definitive answer as to whether these cards actually work with this board but have yet to receive one so i figured id just ask here. Has anyone tried a 2xxx series card in this motherboard and got it to work successfully? Thanks for any help in advance.

yes, I have had a Sapphire HD2900XT working with my 4coredual with a P-D 820@3.4ghz using Bios 1.80.

The 2900 series work fine...as long as your PSU can keep up.
 

Lozzo

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Chuckerp.

You might as well try a mild overclock, these boards, and those chips, seem quite happy with it so long as you're sensible.

Try 266Mhz FSB, that'll keep everything in sync and be sure to force your memory to DDR2/533 so it runs 1:1 with the FSB. I've a feeling that keeping a 1:1 ratio is quite important to stability on these...

That same advice goes to KeeleySam, going by that screenshot you have the memory set for 667Mhz, or maybe as "auto" in BIOS. I seem to get better performance having the memory at 1:1 as above, so for these kind of FSBs that means ensuring the board sees the memory at 533Mhz. You also should see lower latencies, which is always a good thing...

The reason I got 667Mhz memory is that I can then overclock the FSB and still keep a 1:1 ratio (by setting the RAM as 533Mhz in BIOS, as before) , which works a charm here. CPU-Z reports my memory at 290Mhz, same as my FSB and everything is happy. Memory timings here, 4-4-4-12-2T

I've not tried any benchmarks with memory performance since updating the BIOS to 1.80, but I seem to recall, with the 1.40 bios, the 533Mhz memory benchmarks (especially with forcing "enable) on a GTQRL or whatever its called pipelining in advanced memory settings) was better than the 667Mhz benchmark anyway.



Anyway, according to Asrock regarding my previous query about PCI/PCIE bus locking, AsRock are adamant that the bus is locked, and it seems that SiSoft Sandra, which I was using to guage my PCI/PCIE bus speed is incorrect in reporting this.


Groovy! Still happy here, nice, stable and quick, and not a single problem to report now except for that weird AGP 7600GS 32-bit 2D performance thing.



One thing I'm investigating, anyone here come across the Microsoft Dual Core hotfix?

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896256


Not only does it appear to help with power states, it also appears to improve load balancing across both CPU cores. For example, before this hotfix WinRAR would appear to do most of its work on the one core, after the hotfix, it appears to use both more evenly. Another test, SuperPI single-thread benchmark would use 50% of total CPU time, with all that being 100% on CPU 0. After the hotfix, it still uses a total of 50% CPU, but with that being 25% over both cores.

Interesting.. I've yet to have the time to try some proper benchmarks/tests to see if this patch improves things wholesale, but has anyone tried this and has got any benches/experiences to report themselves?

Another thread (from notebook review, but this patch seems to improve things across all DC systems, not just notebooks...) hailing the benefits of installing this patch.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=60416

Interesting....

 

Mr Vain

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Originally posted by: keeleysam
I just built three systems yesterday using this board, but I'm having a bit of an issue with all of them. Instead of having the FSB be 266MHz, it is running at 251MHz. If I go in the BIOS and set the overclocking mode to any mode but auto to try and set it to 266MHz, it won't boot the OS. On POST, it shows the correct full speed for each CPU, but those speeds are not what it actually runs at.

Two of these systems are using Xeon X3210 chips, the other is using an E6700. All have 2GB of Micron D9 ram, and good power supplies.

Please help!
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/7442/lowfsbos2.png

These Xeon's are not on the CPU's supported list.
http://www.asrock.com/mb/cpu.a...4CoreDual-VSTA&s=Intel

Try one of the older bios or the modded bios.
These are new installs on what vista or XP?
Need more system specs cpuz shows your VGA at 4X AGP 2?
 

keeleysam

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Originally posted by: Mr Vain
Originally posted by: keeleysam
I just built three systems yesterday using this board, but I'm having a bit of an issue with all of them. Instead of having the FSB be 266MHz, it is running at 251MHz. If I go in the BIOS and set the overclocking mode to any mode but auto to try and set it to 266MHz, it won't boot the OS. On POST, it shows the correct full speed for each CPU, but those speeds are not what it actually runs at.

Two of these systems are using Xeon X3210 chips, the other is using an E6700. All have 2GB of Micron D9 ram, and good power supplies.

Please help!
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/7442/lowfsbos2.png

These Xeon's are not on the CPU's supported list.
http://www.asrock.com/mb/cpu.a...4CoreDual-VSTA&s=Intel

Try one of the older bios or the modded bios.
These are new installs on what vista or XP?
Need more system specs cpuz shows your VGA at 4X AGP 2?

It does not just happen on the Xeons, it also happens on an E6700.

The Xeons are actually supported, as are any B3 chips, they just aren't listed, as they aren't tested.

I've tried the 1.7 BIOS which came with it, and the latest 2.0 BIOS, and both have done the same thing.

Full specs:
-ASRock 4CoreDual-VSTA
-Intel Xeon X3210 -OR- Intel Core 2 Duo E6700
-HP 2 x 1GB DDR2-667 (Micron D9 chips)
-160GB Seagate PATA drive
-Cooler Master eXtreme 550W PSU
-LG 16x DVD-ROM
-nVIDIA GeForce2 MX-400 AGP 4x video card
-Some cheap Rosewill case
-Clean install of Windows XP Professional.
 

Lozzo

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Morning folks!


Well, the PCI/PCIE bus locking problem has been solved. After swapping a couple of emails and screengrabs with Asrock TSD, it appears that Sisoft Sandra does not read the PCI/PCIE bus speed correctly. To quote their reply to my last email..



Dear Sir,
I saw the pictures, however the Sisoft SANDRA, is not always correct.
We have used oscilloscope to measure the PCIE frequency, it can be
fixed."


So there you go. I've spotted a few threads regarding this problem, one of them on this forum if I recall, and there we have the answer. You can't argue with a 'scope!


Big cheers and thumbs up to Asrock for their quick and detailed replies anyway. I've been in and out of the computer game (retailing/repairs. Small shop kind of thing) for over 15 years now, and its rare to get any information past "RMA the board to your distributor/Refer to your manual" from your average TSD.


 

tigersty1e

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I'm running BIOS 1.4 or 1.5 (can't remember).

I've got a 1950 xt PCIE coming soon. Do I have to flash my bios to an earlier version?

Also, I'm going from AGP to PCIE. Is it just a matter of changing the VGA option in the BIOS or do I have to do a fresh intsall?
 

Stumps

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Originally posted by: tigersty1e
I'm running BIOS 1.4 or 1.5 (can't remember).

I've got a 1950 xt PCIE coming soon. Do I have to flash my bios to an earlier version?

Also, I'm going from AGP to PCIE. Is it just a matter of changing the VGA option in the BIOS or do I have to do a fresh intsall?

No, why would you have to do that? you should try upgrading to bios 1.80 or 2.00 as they are more stable and allow for slightly higher overclocks.

you won't need to reinstall windows, just change the VGA options in the bios.
 

tigersty1e

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Originally posted by: Stumps
Originally posted by: tigersty1e
I'm running BIOS 1.4 or 1.5 (can't remember).

I've got a 1950 xt PCIE coming soon. Do I have to flash my bios to an earlier version?

Also, I'm going from AGP to PCIE. Is it just a matter of changing the VGA option in the BIOS or do I have to do a fresh intsall?

No, why would you have to do that? you should try upgrading to bios 1.80 or 2.00 as they are more stable and allow for slightly higher overclocks.

you won't need to reinstall windows, just change the VGA options in the bios.



yeah, I meant to say upgrading to the most curent BIOS version.

I have my board slightly overclocked and I'm getting issues with my PCIE card also being overclocked.

Here's the problem I made in the video card forum
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2084957&enterthread=y

Now I think I've found a solution but I'm at work so I can't try out the solution yet. But here's the solution I found on one of the reviews on newegg...
Pros: To continue with my rant about this card. As I mentioned earlier my first card was bad and rma it for a replacement. Just got the replacement card, but the same blocky discolored artifacts persisted in 3D games.

Cons: sorry not cons, but Solution: I found out later that it's my system as a whole. My system consist of a E4400 @ 2.57Ghz and Asrock 4CoreDual motherboard. The motherboard has got both AGP and PCI-e X4 slots. When I overclock my cpu to a FSB of 285MHz the PIC-e was getting overclocked as well even though it was shown as not overclocked. The solution is to set the FSB and PCI-e frequencies to AUTO mode. Everything is fine after that. I'm running Vista 32bit version with Catalyst 7.7.

Other Thoughts: The card is HOT! So use either ATI Tools or ATI Tray to change the fan speed. I have to monitors and saw that the GPU temperature went up to 75C while gaming. (idle is 45C with room @ 20C) The voltage modulator temperature get to 80C. (kind of scary) I'll need to do something about that. Good Luck gamers.




So my question is, is there a way to overclock the board and processor while keeping the PCIE freq stock?
 
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