ASRock 4CoreDual-VSTA

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Budarow

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I removed my PentiumD925 (228x15=3.42 GHz) and installed an E4600 (334x12 = 2.80 GHz) (SLA94) from MicroCenter at $105 (with MI tax). I ran Orthos Beta (cpu/RAM mixed test) and it ran for 11 hours with no issues. I might try upping the FSB by 2 MHz bumps (i.e 24 MHz bumps in overall clock speed) to see how high this proc will go.

I tried running a higher FSB (250 MHz) with NO pin mod, etc., but Orthos crashed right away. It did encode a video in 45 minutes with no problem.

This PC runs so MUCH cooler than an AMD X2 Opteron 165 OC'd to 2.46 GHz. The Opteron PC actually heats up the room while the Core2Dual does not seem to add much heat at all.

Is there a BIOS settings guide for OCing this mobo (without the pin mod, etc.)?
 
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Have you tried running it at 266 set to Sync? At that speed, the PCIE bus and RAM will be running at standard frequencies and you should have much better stability. I would loosen your RAM timings and T command till you at least know the rest of the system is stable. My E4400 easily runs at 266x10.

I had a much harder time overclocking the 4coredual with DDRI. The system was very unstable when trying to run a FSB of 266 and DDR400 speeds. I had to run DDR333 for 100% stability. Good DDRII running in sync with the FSB has been much more stable and is a bit faster.
 

Mr Vain

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Below link to site that has new bios supporting ATI 4xxx cards.

http://www.ocworkbench.com/news.php

Radeon HD 4850/4870 for 4CoreDUal-SATA2, 4CoreDual-VSTA and 775Dual-VSTA
Posted on 07/18/2008 @ 10:40 AM


Some members of our forum have experience stability issues with their systems running the VIA PT880 chipset mainboard with the newest Radeon HD4850 or HD 4870 PCIe 2.0 Graphics cards.

If you want to use ATI HD 4870/4850 series PCIE VGA card on
ASRock 4CoreDual-SATA2
ASRock 4CoreDual-VSTA/775Dual-VSTA

You would need these latest OCWORKBENCH beta bios available in our ASRock (Intel) forum.


OCWorkbench beta bios L2.02 for 4CoreDual-SATA2, L2.33 for 4CoreDual-VSTA, L3.13 for 775Dual-VSTA

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If users want to use ATI HD 4870/4850 series PCIE VGA card on 4CoreDual-SATA2/4CoreDual-VSTA/775Dual-VSTA, please suggest users to flash attached beta BIOS first.

You may have to register with the site OCW (OCWORKBENCH)before you can obtain the bios from the below link.

http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=75467

BIOS L2.02 for 4CoreDual-SATA2
BIOS L2.33 for 4CoreDual-VSTA
BIOS L3.13 for 775Dual-VSTA



*The DOS update tool is included in the latest DOS version BIOS update file.
Please download it from ASRock website: http://www.asrock.com/support/Download.asp
Attached Files
 

Budarow

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LOL...just how "fast" of a video card are you peeps willing to run with any 4CoreDual mobo and it's crippled 4x PCI-E?

If a 8800GT or 9600GT suffers a 10-15% penalty due to the 4x PCI-E (verses a 16x PCI-E), wouldn't a faster video card suffer an even greater penalty? And at some point, the 4x bandwidth will become totally saturated and almost no performance gain will be had no matter how fast the video card. Correct?
 

Comdrpopnfresh

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man... Asrock is gonna lose their niche once nehalem comes out. With both major platforms having an on-die memory controller, the only thing they might be able to allow for is older gfx solutions.
 

Mr Vain

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Originally posted by: Budarow
LOL...just how "fast" of a video card are you peeps willing to run with any 4CoreDual mobo and it's crippled 4x PCI-E?

If a 8800GT or 9600GT suffers a 10-15% penalty due to the 4x PCI-E (verses a 16x PCI-E), wouldn't a faster video card suffer an even greater penalty? And at some point, the 4x bandwidth will become totally saturated and almost no performance gain will be had no matter how fast the video card. Correct?

There are people installing ATI 4xxx cards on these 4x PCI-e boards at the moment.

This from a user in another thread.

I have this board, I went from an AGP X850XT to a HD4850. I have significant stability issues with the machine, specifically the ati2dvag.dll driver going into infinite loop and crashing the machine. I have 2gb adata pc800, a mild overclock + bsel mod on an E4300, 500W Antec Smart power. I have installed the 2.01 modded bios and disabled the PCIE Downstream item in the advance chipset options. the Ram is set to auto for speed. I can run furmark 1.40 for more than an hour at full stability, I can run Guild Wars at 1600x1200 max settings, seems happy. However, the moment I attempt to do anything more than open Steam, it dies. The overall crashes have reduced, it was doing it with any little thing, but still making the machine difficult.

Has anyone else gotten a 4850 stable on this board yet?

Thanks

If you already got one of these boards with some older DDR Ram, PATA drives and inadequate AGP Card then a move ATI 4xxx card upgrade is not that silly as it still works out as a cheaper option than also buying a new motherboard and DDR2 ram.

 

Budarow

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Originally posted by: Mr Vain
Originally posted by: Budarow
LOL...just how "fast" of a video card are you peeps willing to run with any 4CoreDual mobo and it's crippled 4x PCI-E?

If a 8800GT or 9600GT suffers a 10-15% penalty due to the 4x PCI-E (verses a 16x PCI-E), wouldn't a faster video card suffer an even greater penalty? And at some point, the 4x bandwidth will become totally saturated and almost no performance gain will be had no matter how fast the video card. Correct?

There are people installing ATI 4xxx cards on these 4x PCI-e boards at the moment.

This from a user in another thread.

I have this board, I went from an AGP X850XT to a HD4850. I have significant stability issues with the machine, specifically the ati2dvag.dll driver going into infinite loop and crashing the machine. I have 2gb adata pc800, a mild overclock + bsel mod on an E4300, 500W Antec Smart power. I have installed the 2.01 modded bios and disabled the PCIE Downstream item in the advance chipset options. the Ram is set to auto for speed. I can run furmark 1.40 for more than an hour at full stability, I can run Guild Wars at 1600x1200 max settings, seems happy. However, the moment I attempt to do anything more than open Steam, it dies. The overall crashes have reduced, it was doing it with any little thing, but still making the machine difficult.

Has anyone else gotten a 4850 stable on this board yet?

Thanks

If you already got one of these boards with some older DDR Ram, PATA drives and inadequate AGP Card then a move ATI 4xxx card upgrade is not that silly as it still works out as a cheaper option than also buying a new motherboard and DDR2 ram.


No need to go "bold" on Mr. Vain. I don't think it's silly at all to upgrade the video card in this mobo to a certain point (an upgrade from ANY AGP card to say an ATI 4850 for ~$150 would be well worth it in performance gains). Since the ATI 4850 is only ~20-25% faster than a 8800GT, the performance hit from 4x PCI-E to 16x PCI-E might be ~15-20%? So upgrading this mobo to a 4850 for ~$150 (from a slow video card) would make since from a "bang for the buck" standpoint.

And to think of all those "PC enthusiasts" out there cringing at the thought of faster and faster video cards being installed in a 4x slot make me. These same peeps still go on and on about how "fast" AGP cards should NOT be made any more because AGP is "dead".

BUT, if someone's going to spend ~$250 (or more) for a video card (e.g., ATI 4870) for their 4CoreDual PC, I'd recommend using that money to upgrade to a faster mobo with 16x PCI-E (for $80), DDR2 RAM (2GBs at $20) and an ATI 4850 ($150). Much better bang for the buck, but with the pain up swapping everything out.

I'd like to see some benchmarks from an ATI 4870 on 4x PCI-E and 16x PCI-E. Be interesting to see if a 4870 is the "breaking point" for 4x PCI-E.

As for me, I've pretty much "maxed" out my 4CoreDual system with 2GBs of RAM, a 9600GT video card and a E4600 cpu at 2.8 GHz. Next step for me would be passing down the ASRocks PC to the wife and upgrading her PC (an AMD X2 at 2.46 GHz, with 2GBs of RAM and a 8800GT 256MBer) in a year or 2 to the "next" great thing for my use.

Regards,

Bud





 

Mr Vain

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Originally posted by: Budarow
Originally posted by: Mr Vain
Originally posted by: Budarow
LOL...just how "fast" of a video card are you peeps willing to run with any 4CoreDual mobo and it's crippled 4x PCI-E?

If a 8800GT or 9600GT suffers a 10-15% penalty due to the 4x PCI-E (verses a 16x PCI-E), wouldn't a faster video card suffer an even greater penalty? And at some point, the 4x bandwidth will become totally saturated and almost no performance gain will be had no matter how fast the video card. Correct?

There are people installing ATI 4xxx cards on these 4x PCI-e boards at the moment.

This from a user in another thread.

I have this board, I went from an AGP X850XT to a HD4850. I have significant stability issues with the machine, specifically the ati2dvag.dll driver going into infinite loop and crashing the machine. I have 2gb adata pc800, a mild overclock + bsel mod on an E4300, 500W Antec Smart power. I have installed the 2.01 modded bios and disabled the PCIE Downstream item in the advance chipset options. the Ram is set to auto for speed. I can run furmark 1.40 for more than an hour at full stability, I can run Guild Wars at 1600x1200 max settings, seems happy. However, the moment I attempt to do anything more than open Steam, it dies. The overall crashes have reduced, it was doing it with any little thing, but still making the machine difficult.

Has anyone else gotten a 4850 stable on this board yet?

Thanks

If you already got one of these boards with some older DDR Ram, PATA drives and inadequate AGP Card then a move ATI 4xxx card upgrade is not that silly as it still works out as a cheaper option than also buying a new motherboard and DDR2 ram.


No need to go "bold" on Mr. Vain. I don't think it's silly at all to upgrade the video card in this mobo to a certain point (an upgrade from ANY AGP card to say an ATI 4850 for ~$150 would be well worth it in performance gains). Since the ATI 4850 is only ~20-25% faster than a 8800GT, the performance hit from 4x PCI-E to 16x PCI-E might be ~15-20%? So upgrading this mobo to a 4850 for ~$150 (from a slow video card) would make since from a "bang for the buck" standpoint.

And to think of all those "PC enthusiasts" out there cringing at the thought of faster and faster video cards being installed in a 4x slot make me. These same peeps still go on and on about how "fast" AGP cards should NOT be made any more because AGP is "dead".

BUT, if someone's going to spend ~$250 (or more) for a video card (e.g., ATI 4870) for their 4CoreDual PC, I'd recommend using that money to upgrade to a faster mobo with 16x PCI-E (for $80), DDR2 RAM (2GBs at $20) and an ATI 4850 ($150). Much better bang for the buck, but with the pain up swapping everything out.

I'd like to see some benchmarks from an ATI 4870 on 4x PCI-E and 16x PCI-E. Be interesting to see if a 4870 is the "breaking point" for 4x PCI-E.

As for me, I've pretty much "maxed" out my 4CoreDual system with 2GBs of RAM, a 9600GT video card and a E4600 cpu at 2.8 GHz. Next step for me would be passing down the ASRocks PC to the wife and upgrading her PC (an AMD X2 at 2.46 GHz, with 2GBs of RAM and a 8800GT 256MBer) in a year or 2 to the "next" great thing for my use.

Regards,

Bud

Sorry Bud if that sounded loud, I was only trying to separate my comments from the users quote.
I would agree with you that a high end graphics card purchased for this motherboard is wasted somewhat and only makes sense to me if someone was going to buy a better motherboard and better ram in the near future.
It will be interesting to see how much the 4X PCI-e affects the high-end cards like the 4870.
 
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Most benchmarks I've seen (and there are only a few) show the 4850 benching about the same or more as a 3870 on the 4coredual. Not bad for a sub $200 video card. For anyone with a video card below Nvidia 8800 or ATI 3870, you should see big gains with the newer cards. The 4x PCI-E is definitely causing diminishing returns with the newer cards, though, and a new mb is definitely needed to experience what the new cards have to offer.
 

Budarow

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Originally posted by: stickboy
Most benchmarks I've seen (and there are only a few) show the 4850 benching about the same or more as a 3870 on the 4coredual. Not bad for a sub $200 video card. For anyone with a video card below Nvidia 8800 or ATI 3870, you should see big gains with the newer cards. The 4x PCI-E is definitely causing diminishing returns with the newer cards, though, and a new mb is definitely needed to experience what the new cards have to offer.


Interesting.
 

igotyofire

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Should i purchase a Q6600 and drop it in my 4core board to replace my 1.8 allendale dual core? or should i get a better motherboard if im going to upgrade to that cpu as well? i want the quad core....but i dunno how much improvement ill get with the current setup, running 2gb of ddr2 533mhz ram. ...im thinking i should buy q6600,PCIE GFX crd, and one of those fast P35/p45 biostar boards
 

timzak

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I'm curious which processor would be the better bang for the buck with the 4coredual: Quad 6600, or E4700. Has anyone tried either with this mobo? I'm currently running an E4300 @ 2.0 Ghz. I wonder how high the E4700 would go in this board? I'm guessing at least 3.0 Ghz? Quad 6600 probably no more than 2.5-2.6 Ghz.

I know this is an old board, but I'm perfectly happy with my AGP video card and don't want to upgrade the mobo unless I have no choice.

Not a gamer, and using Ubuntu Linux. Any replies appreciated.
 
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Alot will depend on whether the E4700 can run overclocked without any voltage adjustments, which aren't available on the 4coredual-vsta. The default voltage will be critical and its a crap shoot as to what that might be.
 

Mr Vain

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Originally posted by: timzak
I'm curious which processor would be the better bang for the buck with the 4coredual: Quad 6600, or E4700. Has anyone tried either with this mobo? I'm currently running an E4300 @ 2.0 Ghz. I wonder how high the E4700 would go in this board? I'm guessing at least 3.0 Ghz? Quad 6600 probably no more than 2.5-2.6 Ghz.

I know this is an old board, but I'm perfectly happy with my AGP video card and don't want to upgrade the mobo unless I have no choice.

Not a gamer, and using Ubuntu Linux. Any replies appreciated.

My E2180 does 3050Mhz stable with BSEL mod.
 

deconne

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Originally posted by: Budarow
Originally posted by: stickboy
Most benchmarks I've seen (and there are only a few) show the 4850 benching about the same or more as a 3870 on the 4coredual. Not bad for a sub $200 video card. For anyone with a video card below Nvidia 8800 or ATI 3870, you should see big gains with the newer cards. The 4x PCI-E is definitely causing diminishing returns with the newer cards, though, and a new mb is definitely needed to experience what the new cards have to offer.


Interesting.

Hi guys,

Here I am again ...

Yes ... after buying 2x2gb of ram and succesfully get it working on my 4CoreDual-VSTA, I have done another stunt ... buying the HD4870 ...

I got a problem with this. It seems to be working fine, but in high-end games (Crysis, Assins Creed) I have a lot of strange artifacts (stripes & triangles, no dots). This seems to be (again) the Asrock mobo ... So, any ideas? I like to have my 2x2gb Ram still working and also using the HD4870 properly, without buying a new mobo.

Thx!

P.S. I'll be the beta-tester ... once again
 
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do you have PCIE downstream pipeline disabled in the BIOS? I had the same problem with a 8800GTS. Disabling that setting solved the problem.
 

deconne

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Hi. I fixed the issue, again! Whazaaaaaaaaaaaaah

For all you guys, having the "ARTIFACT" problems with the HD4870 or HD4850 on the 4CoreDual-VSTA mobo:
The 2.33 bios seems to be working!!!
For solution => see previous page in this topic.

Gladly of help!

Best regards,
deconne.
 

deconne

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F*ck me ...

I just rebooted my PC... but can't get him back up ... FFS...
Fans start turning but the monitor remains black... Wh*t the hell ...

Somebody?

P.S. It's strange because after the bios flash I had to do a restart and everything worked like a charm ... What now?
 

deconne

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Originally posted by: deconne
Hi everyone,

I yesterday bought 2 x 2GB of Corsair 6400 XMS2 TWINX DDR2 RAM to upgrade my old 2 x 512 DDR1 RAM memory modules.

Guess what:
I put the 4GB of Corsair RAM in the DDR2 banks, boot the PC, and get ... nothing!
The monitor refuses to light up, no error beeps, no HD activity, nothing except the fans en the power/HD led.

So I started to look, and came to the conclusion that, as per the specs provided by AsRock, this mobo only supports a max of 2GB of 667 RAM memory. I looked further and read that some people managed to get their 4CoreDual-VSTA working with 4GB RAM.

I've tried several things and came to the following conclusion:
- PC boots with the first 2GB DDR2 module in memory bank A or B
- PC boots with the seconds 2GB DDR2 module in memory bank A or B
=> so both modules and memory banks are OK!

I've also flashed the BIOS to v2.30 but still I get the black screen as soon as I try to boot with 4GB of RAM memory ...

Please help me

Yep ... that is again the problem.
After removing one stick of 2GB Ram, my computer boots again.

To be short: The HD4850/70 fix disables the 4Gb RAM fix of my previous BIOS ...

Anybody got a clue wich version combines these two fixes?
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: Mr Vain
Originally posted by: timzak
I'm curious which processor would be the better bang for the buck with the 4coredual: Quad 6600, or E4700. Has anyone tried either with this mobo? I'm currently running an E4300 @ 2.0 Ghz. I wonder how high the E4700 would go in this board? I'm guessing at least 3.0 Ghz? Quad 6600 probably no more than 2.5-2.6 Ghz.

I know this is an old board, but I'm perfectly happy with my AGP video card and don't want to upgrade the mobo unless I have no choice.

Not a gamer, and using Ubuntu Linux. Any replies appreciated.

My E2180 does 3050Mhz stable with BSEL mod.

That's kind of on the unusually high side. On my Conroe865PE board, that also lacks vcore adjustment, my E4400 will do 2.8Ghz stable, no higher.
 

Budarow

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Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
Originally posted by: Mr Vain
Originally posted by: timzak
I'm curious which processor would be the better bang for the buck with the 4coredual: Quad 6600, or E4700. Has anyone tried either with this mobo? I'm currently running an E4300 @ 2.0 Ghz. I wonder how high the E4700 would go in this board? I'm guessing at least 3.0 Ghz? Quad 6600 probably no more than 2.5-2.6 Ghz.

I know this is an old board, but I'm perfectly happy with my AGP video card and don't want to upgrade the mobo unless I have no choice.

Not a gamer, and using Ubuntu Linux. Any replies appreciated.

My E2180 does 3050Mhz stable with BSEL mod.

That's kind of on the unusually high side. On my Conroe865PE board, that also lacks vcore adjustment, my E4400 will do 2.8Ghz stable, no higher.

The ASRocks mobo is screaming for this CPU Since it's a Wolfdale, guess the "custom" BIOS would be necessary to use with a 4CoreDual.

http://forums.slickdeals.net/s...?sduid=358708&t=917262
 

Mr Vain

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Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
Originally posted by: Mr Vain
Originally posted by: timzak
I'm curious which processor would be the better bang for the buck with the 4coredual: Quad 6600, or E4700. Has anyone tried either with this mobo? I'm currently running an E4300 @ 2.0 Ghz. I wonder how high the E4700 would go in this board? I'm guessing at least 3.0 Ghz? Quad 6600 probably no more than 2.5-2.6 Ghz.

I know this is an old board, but I'm perfectly happy with my AGP video card and don't want to upgrade the mobo unless I have no choice.

Not a gamer, and using Ubuntu Linux. Any replies appreciated.

My E2180 does 3050Mhz stable with BSEL mod.

That's kind of on the unusually high side. On my Conroe865PE board, that also lacks vcore adjustment, my E4400 will do 2.8Ghz stable, no higher.


A bit of motherboard luck and a good PSU helps.
 
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