ASRock 775Dual-VSTA

[pavelz]

to: ajasr

AGP Fast Write - Disable

.. better settings

 

[ajsasr]

Originally posted by: pavelz
to: ajasr

AGP Fast Write - Disable

.. better settings

I'm also starting to wonder if I have a bad board. The reason I say this is that when I set the FSB manually to say 242, sometimes the computer will post with a speed of 3.40GHz, and other times it will be 3.41GHz. Can someone verify if they've seen this on their board? I've also thought about getting a better PSU. I've got a cheap one that came with the 40 dollar case I have. Does anyone thing it could be that too. I used it for several years on an Athlon system with no problems....I'm about ready to RMA the board.

Thanks.

 

[timzak]

Originally posted by: ajsasr

Originally posted by: pavelz
to: ajasr

AGP Fast Write - Disable

.. better settings

I'm also starting to wonder if I have a bad board. The reason I say this is that when I set the FSB manually to say 242, sometimes the computer will post with a speed of 3.40GHz, and other times it will be 3.41GHz. Can someone verify if they've seen this on their board? I've also thought about getting a better PSU. I've got a cheap one that came with the 40 dollar case I have. Does anyone thing it could be that too. I used it for several years on an Athlon system with no problems....I'm about ready to RMA the board.

Thanks.

I see the same thing, I don't think it is a problem. In trying the various FSB settings, I often see POST report the cpu speed in a .01Ghz variance (even at different speeds). I think it is an issue of rounding. You've seen CPU-Z report cpu speeds in real-time and it fluctuating by a Mhz or two. Probably when the system POSTS, it takes a snapshot of the actual cpu speed at that instance, and if it happens to be 3.404 or less, then it reports 3.4; if it's 3.405-3.409 then it reports 3.41.

Regarding the PSU, it's never a good idea to go with a cheap one. It may be just fine in your system, but why take the chance? When a PSU starts flaking it, it tends to take a lot of other components with it, so it's cheap insurance for your whole system (whether this mobo or another one) to get a quality PSU.

What makes you think your board is defective?

 

[ajsasr]

Originally posted by: timzak

Originally posted by: ajsasr

Originally posted by: pavelz
to: ajasr

AGP Fast Write - Disable

.. better settings

I'm also starting to wonder if I have a bad board. The reason I say this is that when I set the FSB manually to say 242, sometimes the computer will post with a speed of 3.40GHz, and other times it will be 3.41GHz. Can someone verify if they've seen this on their board? I've also thought about getting a better PSU. I've got a cheap one that came with the 40 dollar case I have. Does anyone thing it could be that too. I used it for several years on an Athlon system with no problems....I'm about ready to RMA the board.

Thanks.

I see the same thing, I don't think it is a problem. In trying the various FSB settings, I often see POST report the cpu speed in a .01Ghz variance (even at different speeds). I think it is an issue of rounding. You've seen CPU-Z report cpu speeds in real-time and it fluctuating by a Mhz or two. Probably when the system POSTS, it takes a snapshot of the actual cpu speed at that instance, and if it happens to be 3.404 or less, then it reports 3.4; if it's 3.405-3.409 then it reports 3.41.

What makes you think your board is defective?

I'm having some random reboot issues. So when I saw the CPU freq on POST, I thought that maybe it's a bad board. Now that I know someone else is seeing this, then I'll look in a different direction. I have a cheap PSU that came with my case. I just bought an antec 500 watt unit that I'll start using. That along with disabling fast write. I guess I should run at stock for a while to see if the reboots go away. Really the only reason I OCed was to get my FSB : DRAM ratio to 1:1. I really don't need the extra CPU speed for what I do. Just wanted to maximize RAM performance. I'll post again after running new PSU, and fast write disabled.

 

[timzak]

ajsasr,

I know, it's so tempting to just jump straight to overclocking with this setup! I'm in the same boat, trying to figure out the max stable overclock, and I've hardly run the system at all at stock. My main goal is to be able to run my DDR400 ram at its rated speed...I think I will have to relax the timings to make that happen though. On the one hand, it's sad and frustrating that this system can't run my ram at it's rated speed; on the other hand, the system is STILL worlds faster than my previous system, and only cost me $250 for the mobo and cpu (everything else migrated over from my old system). Smart move on the new PSU...good luck and keep us posted.

 

[ajsasr]

Originally posted by: timzak
ajsasr,

I know, it's so tempting to just jump straight to overclocking with this setup! I'm in the same boat, trying to figure out the max stable overclock, and I've hardly run the system at all at stock. My main goal is to be able to run my DDR400 ram at its rated speed...I think I will have to relax the timings to make that happen though. On the one hand, it's sad and frustrating that this system can't run my ram at it's rated speed; on the other hand, the system is STILL worlds faster than my previous system, and only cost me $250 for the mobo and cpu (everything else migrated over from my old system). Smart move on the new PSU...good luck and keep us posted.

I feel your pain. I was never able to run my DDR400 at it's rated speed. So I upgraded my memory. Luckily I needed to anyway because I had 2x256. A Gig is needed these days. That being said, we should still be able to run it at it's rated speed. I look forward to getting the PSU, and changing my write fast to disable and seeing what happens. I feel I should be ok because I don't think I'd be able to run Orthos for so long without a problem if I had bad hardware. So it's gotta be a power issue, or a Graphics setting. I'll let everyone know. I just hope this is the last upgrade. This "transitional" rig is transitioning a little faster than I had hoped for.....know what I mean.

 

[timzak]

ajsasr,

Honestly, I don't think disabling fast writes will do anything for you in terms of system stability. That should only affect 3D graphics in games. In some situations, enabling fast writes will cause graphical corruption, but if it doesn't it, framerates should be slightly faster than with disabled. Go ahead and try anyway, though, just to be sure. On my previous system (VIA KT600 with AthlonXP), enabling fast writes screwed up the graphics with an ATI 9800 Pro, but was fine with an nVidia 6800GS. It also gave the 6800GS a few extra FPS in games.

 

[Pluto]

can anyone tell me or point me to some reading on what impact the PCI-E 4x limitation of this board/chipset has on video (non-gaming) tasks? I'm considering this board for an HTPC system and H264 acceleration is something that is becoming very important...

 

[ajsasr]

Originally posted by: timzak
ajsasr,

Honestly, I don't think disabling fast writes will do anything for you in terms of system stability. That should only affect 3D graphics in games. In some situations, enabling fast writes will cause graphical corruption, but if it doesn't it, framerates should be slightly faster than with disabled. Go ahead and try anyway, though, just to be sure. On my previous system (VIA KT600 with AthlonXP), enabling fast writes screwed up the graphics with an ATI 9800 Pro, but was fine with an nVidia 6800GS. It also gave the 6800GS a few extra FPS in games.

That being said, I hope it's just my cheap power supply, and replacing it with a quality unit will help....

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

Is anyone noticing heat issues with this board?

My cpu is at like 40c full load
Mobo says 38c load
vidcard is like 50c load

When I play WoW the game crashes every 10 min.

I tried everything and switched out all components except mobo and processor. I still got crashes.

I open the case and put a floor fan up against the side of the comp and it hasn't crashed since.


This only happens in WoW. Supreme Commander, HL2, COH, C&C3, BF2142, etc never crashed.

Is there a possibility that the North or South bridge runs hot but isn't being caught by the temperature reading? I'd really like to know why that cooling fixed the problem even though my computer was already running very cool at full load.

Any ideas?

 

[ajsasr]

Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g
Is anyone noticing heat issues with this board?

My cpu is at like 40c full load
Mobo says 38c load
vidcard is like 50c load

When I play WoW the game crashes every 10 min.

I tried everything and switched out all components except mobo and processor. I still got crashes.

I open the case and put a floor fan up against the side of the comp and it hasn't crashed since.


This only happens in WoW. Supreme Commander, HL2, COH, C&C3, BF2142, etc never crashed.

Is there a possibility that the North or South bridge runs hot but isn't being caught by the temperature reading? I'd really like to know why that cooling fixed the problem even though my computer was already running very cool at full load.

Any ideas?

Use my post for a few posts back, print it out, write down your bois settings and repost. I play a lot of WoW as well. I can play hours at a time and be ok. Also look at your PSU. See what the wattage is. Post info on your componets as well. Then we'll go from there.

 

[timzak]

Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g
Is anyone noticing heat issues with this board?

My cpu is at like 40c full load
Mobo says 38c load
vidcard is like 50c load

When I play WoW the game crashes every 10 min.

I tried everything and switched out all components except mobo and processor. I still got crashes.

I open the case and put a floor fan up against the side of the comp and it hasn't crashed since.


This only happens in WoW. Supreme Commander, HL2, COH, C&C3, BF2142, etc never crashed.

Is there a possibility that the North or South bridge runs hot but isn't being caught by the temperature reading? I'd really like to know why that cooling fixed the problem even though my computer was already running very cool at full load.

Any ideas?

I've touched both the NB heatsink and the SB chip and neither are that warm. The NB is cool to the touch and the SB feels ~30C (85F). There could be some other areas on the board that are getting hot and the fan is helping you. I'd suggest directing the fan to specific spots and see what happens. You might be able to get a small case fan pointing at just the right spot to get you stable.

 

[Mr Vain]

Originally posted by: Pluto
can anyone tell me or point me to some reading on what impact the PCI-E 4x limitation of this board/chipset has on video (non-gaming) tasks? I'm considering this board for an HTPC system and H264 acceleration is something that is becoming very important...

Part3 Is mainly about AGP versus PCI-e on this mobo.

http://anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2814

Part1
http://anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2810

Part2
http://anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2813

 

[aussieburger]

Originally posted by: pavelz
GF 8800 work on this motherboard .. but not work under WIN XP .. only VISTA

see this :

http://www.techspot.com/vb/all/windows/...348-8800GTS-on-AsRock-775DUALVSTA.html

Alex Atkin UK03-20-2007, 04:30 PM
Actually the 8800 GTS DOES work on this board, at least in Vista Home Premium x64 it does and its DEFINATELY a fair improvement over my old 6600GT AGP. I get around 6000 in 3D Mark 06 with a Core 2 Duo 6400 and 1GB DDR RAM (not DDR2). Of course this board was only a stop-gap while I upgraded graphics and got some DDR2 RAM. Once I have DDR2 I will be saving up for a better board and box this up to eventually go in my Linux box once I can afford another Core 2 Duo. Linux seemed to work better on VIA than the nForce 2 its currently running on.

As for XP though, I cant get it working at all I just get BSOD or a blank screen. However this is CLEARLY something that COULD be fixed in drivers if anyone could be bothered otherwise how would it work fine in Vista? If its ASRock, VIA, nVidia or even Microsoft at fault - who knows. But fact is, the 8800 DOES work on this board quite happily at PCIe 4x which decent performance on current games even with the bottleneck. It would be a perfect stopgap while saving for a better motherboard if you want to run Vista NOW, just a PITA it doesnt work in XP.

Nice Find !!

 

[imported_bog]

Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g
Is anyone noticing heat issues with this board?

My cpu is at like 40c full load
Mobo says 38c load
vidcard is like 50c load

When I play WoW the game crashes every 10 min.

I tried everything and switched out all components except mobo and processor. I still got crashes.

I open the case and put a floor fan up against the side of the comp and it hasn't crashed since.


This only happens in WoW. Supreme Commander, HL2, COH, C&C3, BF2142, etc never crashed.

Is there a possibility that the North or South bridge runs hot but isn't being caught by the temperature reading? I'd really like to know why that cooling fixed the problem even though my computer was already running very cool at full load.

Any ideas?

I had this problem with the north bridge. I noticed it was OK only till 34 degrees, than games crashes (WoW but also CS for me). Try to increase agp voltage, some say it increases also north bridge voltage. Also you can try to enable flexibility for memory, it will degrade your performance but may help.
What really worked for me was, as stupid as it sounds, to overclock the processor. I run D820 and my best setup is FSB242 PCIE113 with DDRII auto, flex off, and any timings you like. As I mentioned before, AGP voltage on high

 

[ajsasr]

Originally posted by: bog

Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g
Is anyone noticing heat issues with this board?

My cpu is at like 40c full load
Mobo says 38c load
vidcard is like 50c load

When I play WoW the game crashes every 10 min.

I tried everything and switched out all components except mobo and processor. I still got crashes.

I open the case and put a floor fan up against the side of the comp and it hasn't crashed since.


This only happens in WoW. Supreme Commander, HL2, COH, C&C3, BF2142, etc never crashed.

Is there a possibility that the North or South bridge runs hot but isn't being caught by the temperature reading? I'd really like to know why that cooling fixed the problem even though my computer was already running very cool at full load.

Any ideas?

I had this problem with the north bridge. I noticed it was OK only till 34 degrees, than games crashes (WoW but also CS for me). Try to increase agp voltage, some say it increases also north bridge voltage. Also you can try to enable flexibility for memory, it will degrade your performance but may help.
What really worked for me was, as stupid as it sounds, to overclock the processor. I run D820 and my best setup is FSB242 PCIE113 with DDRII auto, flex off, and any timings you like. As I mentioned before, AGP voltage on high

Can someone please explain something to me. I've seen some people say set the PCIe to 112-117, and I've seen others say to just leave it alone. If you're running AGP, why would it mater to touch this. Also what does it do?

Thanks.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

Originally posted by: bog

Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g
Is anyone noticing heat issues with this board?

My cpu is at like 40c full load
Mobo says 38c load
vidcard is like 50c load

When I play WoW the game crashes every 10 min.

I tried everything and switched out all components except mobo and processor. I still got crashes.

I open the case and put a floor fan up against the side of the comp and it hasn't crashed since.


This only happens in WoW. Supreme Commander, HL2, COH, C&C3, BF2142, etc never crashed.

Is there a possibility that the North or South bridge runs hot but isn't being caught by the temperature reading? I'd really like to know why that cooling fixed the problem even though my computer was already running very cool at full load.

Any ideas?

I had this problem with the north bridge. I noticed it was OK only till 34 degrees, than games crashes (WoW but also CS for me). Try to increase agp voltage, some say it increases also north bridge voltage. Also you can try to enable flexibility for memory, it will degrade your performance but may help.
What really worked for me was, as stupid as it sounds, to overclock the processor. I run D820 and my best setup is FSB242 PCIE113 with DDRII auto, flex off, and any timings you like. As I mentioned before, AGP voltage on high

Thanks, I'll try it. I also have a D820.

 

[timzak]

I can't quite get this formatted the way I want in this post, but I think this is understandable. Here is a list of what your actual DDR speeds and ratios will be at different FSBs, with each memory speed option. So for example, if you're running at DDR266 at an FSB of 222 (2.0Ghz with a x9 mult), your memory is running 148 Mhz (15 Mhz overclock). It looks like the FSB/DRAM ratio changes somewhere between 222 and 233 FSB. I didn't have time to go through each setting in 1 Mhz increments; rather I chose to pick the FSB that most closely matched the nearest 100 Mhz speed (which turns out to be 11 Mhz jumps with a x9 multiplier). Since my E4300 locks up during POST at 300 FSB, I did not include that information. If someone can test these and give me the info, I can fill it in. Hopefully this will help those looking to overclock the cpu with a specific targeted DDR speed. For example, I know this board seems to have a hard time running ram at its rated latencies. So maybe if I want to run at 2.4Ghz @ DDR400 I have to loosen up my ram timings so much that it's better to run at 2.3Ghz with my memory slightly underclocked at 192Mhz, but with tighter timings. I doubt the tighter timings will make up for the 100Mhz loss in cpu speed, but this is just an example of how you might use this.

By the way, this is on a 4CoreDual-VSTA, but it should be the same as a 775Dual.

Edit: turning on memory flexibility in the bios simply runs the memory at DDR266 on my system (E4300 with DDR400 ram), so you might as well set your memory speed @ DDR266 and leave flexibility off.

CPU SPEED MEM MEM Mhz FSB/DRAM Ratio
1800 (200x9)
DDR266 133 3:2
DDR333 167 6:5
DDR400 200 1:1
1900 (211x9)
DDR266 141 3:2
DDR333 176 6:5
DDR400 211 1:1
2000 (222x9)
DDR266 148 3:2
DDR333 185 6:5
DDR400 222 1:1
2100 (233x9)
DDR266 117 2:1
DDR333 146 8:5
DDR400 175 4:3
2200 (244x9)
DDR266 122 2:1
DDR333 153 8:5
DDR400 183 4:3
2300 (256x9)
DDR266 128 2:1
DDR333 160 8:5
DDR400 192 4:3
2400 (267x9)
DDR266 133 2:1
DDR333 167 8:5
DDR400 200 4:3
2500 (278x9)
DDR266 139 2:1
DDR333 174 8:5
DDR400 209 4:3
2600 (289x9)
DDR266 145 2:1
DDR333 181 8:5
DDR400 217 4:3

 

[Mr Vain]

Has anyone used a Physix Agia card in conjunction with an AGP card?

 

[msbearbr]

Hello guys...

I have one Asrock Dual VST board with Conroe.

I have a problem, i did a cmos reset yesterday and lost the 'mac address'.

Now everytime that i turn on my system i find message one fu&¨%&¨ message tell me about the problem...

My mac address now is 00-00-00-00-00-00.

How i can re-write the MAC in motherboard?

How i can fix it??

Thx.

 

[imported_bog]

Originally posted by: timzak
I

Edit: turning on memory flexibility in the bios simply runs the memory at DDR266 on my system (E4300 with DDR400 ram), so you might as well set your memory speed @ DDR266 and leave flexibility off.

Nice job for DDRI.
For DDRII their is an important difference, flexibility turns memory to DDRII 400 (at nominal FSB), option you do not have by speed setting.

 

[bigsnyder]

I think I have the same problem. My network adapter quit working after a power failure.
Windows says limited connectivity. I didn't check to see if my MAC was blanked out, but
I will check to see if it is.

 

[ajsasr]

Well...I just tried to run 3DMark06. And I don't know if it's my video card or what, but the test crashes to a windows error in the middle of the Return to Proxycom video test. This gets worse and worse. I'm going to try 3DMark03 and see what happens.

 

[ajsasr]

Originally posted by: ajsasr
Well...I just tried to run 3DMark06. And I don't know if it's my video card or what, but the test crashes to a windows error in the middle of the Return to Proxycom video test. This gets worse and worse. I'm going to try 3DMark03 and see what happens.

Well as I was installing 3dmark03, the PC had a random reboot. So I went ahead and down-clocked my FSB back to 200, and changed the IDE Strength to Highest. I was able to run 3dmark03 with a score of 6450, and 3dmark06 with a score of 856. I would say I have a GPU bottleneck. I'm going to put my new PSU in tonight. Change the FSB back to 242, and try to run both tests again. If it crashes on my, then I'm going to reside myself to the fact that overclocking this rig is just not going to happen.....

 

[timzak]

Originally posted by: ajsasr

Originally posted by: ajsasr
Well...I just tried to run 3DMark06. And I don't know if it's my video card or what, but the test crashes to a windows error in the middle of the Return to Proxycom video test. This gets worse and worse. I'm going to try 3DMark03 and see what happens.

Well as I was installing 3dmark03, the PC had a random reboot. So I went ahead and down-clocked my FSB back to 200, and changed the IDE Strength to Highest. I was able to run 3dmark03 with a score of 6450, and 3dmark06 with a score of 856. I would say I have a GPU bottleneck. I'm going to put my new PSU in tonight. Change the FSB back to 242, and try to run both tests again. If it crashes on my, then I'm going to reside myself to the fact that overclocking this rig is just not going to happen.....

I just searched back to your first post in this thread and see you're running a 9700 Pro. Definitely your bottleneck. It won't matter if you underclock your cpu to 2.0Ghz, your graphics will probably stay the same speed. So if you're a gamer and don't plan to upgrade your video card, then overclocking won't give you any benefit (which could be a blessing in disguise given the stability issues you've been having).

Let's see what the new PSU does for you...it's possible it will stabilize your overclock.

Do you plan on upgrading the video card? Or do you not game that much?