ASRock 939Dual-SATA2 - Socket 939 with PCI-E and real AGP and Socket AM2 upgrade path

[Lord Banshee]

The only problem i have with the board is any HTT over 300 gets a cold boot 4/5 times and werid specview scores for my modded 6800->quadrofx.

 

[Double Echo]

Originally posted by: designit

Originally posted by: Double Echo
I'd say I'm happy with my board. I won't be forced to buy a PCI-E card right away (and from what I've seen, there's not much difference yet) and I was able to obtain a 600MHz overclock to 2.4 with only about 10F increase in temperature at load, ON STOCK COOLING! If I had done this with my old Athlon XP 2500+, we'd be looking at about 20-30F increase even with the Volcano 12 heatsink/fan I had at 5500RPM.

This board was worth every cent and more.

But why do you have HTT @ 3x200=600? why not 1000?
And, couldnt you do 300x9=2.7ghz for A64 3000?

Well, I didn't do 1000 because when I set it to 1000, it wouldn't POST past being OC'd to 2.0GHz. Once I lowered the HTT to 600 on both the North and Southbridge, I was able to attain 270FSB.

Check this thread out for benchmarks on lower HTT speeds:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=39559

Some people have reported better results with lower HTT settings. If I could get this to 300 FSB I would, but it just won't go past 270. I'd imagine I need a voltage mod for my 3000+, but I don't feel like potentially wasting $146. I'm happy with the overclock I've gotten.

Edit: If you can give me some tips on getting past 270FSB (Exact BIOS settings if possible) on my Venice 3000+ then I'll definitely give it a try. I've got the voltage at 1.45 now, my guess is that's the only thing holding it back. However, I don't want to do a voltage mod and ruin my processor, as I did this to a Barton 2500+ and I know I'd screw it up.

 

[designit]

Originally posted byouble Echo
Well, I didn't do 1000 because when I set it to 1000, it wouldn't POST past being OC'd to 2.0GHz. Once I lowered the HTT to 600 on both the North and Southbridge, I was able to attain 270FSB.

Check this thread out for benchmarks on lower HTT speeds:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=39559

Some people have reported better results with lower HTT settings. If I could get this to 300 FSB I would, but it just won't go past 270. I'd imagine I need a voltage mod for my 3000+, but I don't feel like potentially wasting $146. I'm happy with the overclock I've gotten.

Edit: If you can give me some tips on getting past 270FSB (Exact BIOS settings if possible) on my Venice 3000+ then I'll definitely give it a try. I've got the voltage at 1.45 now, my guess is that's the only thing holding it back. However, I don't want to do a voltage mod and ruin my processor, as I did this to a Barton 2500+ and I know I'd screw it up.

1.45v is low. the only other thing I can suggest using divider. Ram @166 and setting ram vdim to high. try cpu fsb from 270 up every 5mhz. this way you have removed ram's voltage limitation but might still have problem w/ vcore.
But yah 24.3 GHz cpu is 35% improvement which is great.

 

[Double Echo]

Originally posted by: designit

Originally posted byouble Echo
Well, I didn't do 1000 because when I set it to 1000, it wouldn't POST past being OC'd to 2.0GHz. Once I lowered the HTT to 600 on both the North and Southbridge, I was able to attain 270FSB.

Check this thread out for benchmarks on lower HTT speeds:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=39559

Some people have reported better results with lower HTT settings. If I could get this to 300 FSB I would, but it just won't go past 270. I'd imagine I need a voltage mod for my 3000+, but I don't feel like potentially wasting $146. I'm happy with the overclock I've gotten.

Edit: If you can give me some tips on getting past 270FSB (Exact BIOS settings if possible) on my Venice 3000+ then I'll definitely give it a try. I've got the voltage at 1.45 now, my guess is that's the only thing holding it back. However, I don't want to do a voltage mod and ruin my processor, as I did this to a Barton 2500+ and I know I'd screw it up.

1.45v is low. the only other thing I can suggest using divider. Ram @166 and setting ram vdim to high. try cpu fsb from 270 up every 5mhz. this way you have removed ram's voltage limitation but might still have problem w/ vcore.
But yah 24.3 GHz cpu is 35% improvement which is great.

The ASRock won't let the Venice 3000+ go above 1.45 Vcore, so I'm limited via the BIOS. RAM voltage is already set to high and speed is at 166MHz. I even tried 133. Any other options?

 

[designit]

The ASRock won't let the Venice 3000+ go above 1.45 Vcore, so I'm limited via the BIOS. RAM voltage is already set to high and speed is at 166MHz. I even tried 133. Any other options?

voltage modding. seems very easy on this board.
Also you should keep HTT as close to 1000mhz as possible since it also effects your agp bus, bottlenecking the good agp bandwidth.
I dont care what the other forum was doing, but apparantly effected super pi which is
important. do your own benching and see if FPS changes on any graphic test.

 

[Double Echo]

Originally posted by: designit

The ASRock won't let the Venice 3000+ go above 1.45 Vcore, so I'm limited via the BIOS. RAM voltage is already set to high and speed is at 166MHz. I even tried 133. Any other options?

voltage modding. seems very easy on this board.
Also you should keep HTT as close to 1000mhz as possible since it also effects your agp bus, bottlenecking the good agp bandwidth.
I dont care what the other forum was doing, but apparantly effected super pi which is
important. do your own benching and see if FPS changes on any graphic test.

Voltage modding will require me to mod the CPU, not the board. The wire-pin method isn't very easy for me, seeing as I already fried a CPU previously doing it.

I will try keeping the HTT bus as close to 1000 as I can, but when I OC the FSB, the HTT bus increases on it's own. I believe it's at 1200, but when I get home I can try to get some screenies from Sandra.

 

[r0llot0masi]

Is there any way to measure temps on this board through Windows? I'd like to see what my temps are while under load. When I check it in the bios (after it has had some time to cool down) it says 38*C when the cpu (3200+) is at 2.0 and 2.2ghz, and it says 41* at 2.4.

 

[Westmassguy]

Motherboard Monitor works fine with this board.
You must set it up manually however since the author of MBM stopped further developement before this board was released.

 

[LeonarD26]

Do you need really good RAM to overclock on this board?? I have 2 x 512 Mushkin that can be seen here:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820146219

I'm worried that I wont be able to get a decent overclock with this board and a Venice. I currently have it running on my Mobile Athlon 2400 running at 10.5 x 200

Thanks!

 

[r0llot0masi]

Originally posted by: Westmassguy
Motherboard Monitor works fine with this board.
You must set it up manually however since the author of MBM stopped further developement before this board was released.

Thanks

 

[Lord Banshee]

Well to let everyone know

i am using ocwbeta2 bios and did the Vcore mod on ocw's site (Double Echo this doesn't require you to touch the CPU. All you do is connect two nodes of a once open circuit.

It is very easy to do, all i did was tape off everything around the area i wanted to connect, get a drop (small small small) of solder put it in between the two nodes, use my solderiron to melt the solder to one node to the other as clean and little as possible. remove tape and enjoy Vcore up to 1.65 (my board will go higher as my PSU seems to overclock).

But anyway i am prime95 testing these setting (i'll edit this post when i get home and tell you if it failed)

Bios
--CPU--
HTT:300
PCIE:102
Bios Failed gaurd: On
CnQ Off
Spead Spectrume(sp?): off
Multiplier: 9
Voltage: (1.125, really it is somewhere between 1.55 and 1.6: read ocw's vcore mod)
Divider: 100Mhz (use a64_info windows tool to set to 150... ie 225Mhz on the RAM)
timing: 2.5x3x3x7 1T

--Chipset--
NB->CPU link 600Mhz
Dram voltage: High

Windows:
A64_info /A64 Tweaker, set Mem Divider to 150 to get higher Ram clocks with out cold boots from asrock bios issue.

I hope this helps.

-Chris

**edit**
8 hours and 45 min Prime95 stable...
here are settings
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=40922

Now I'll try 2800 lol

 

[designit]

Originally posted by: Lord Banshee
Well to let everyone know

i am using ocwbeta2 bios and did the Vcore mod on ocw's site (Double Echo this doesn't require you to touch the CPU. All you do is connect two nodes of a once open circuit.

It is very easy to do, all i did was tape off everything around the area i wanted to connect, get a drop (small small small) of solder put it in between the two nodes, use my solderiron to melt the solder to one node to the other as clean and little as possible. remove tape and enjoy Vcore up to 1.65 (my board will go higher as my PSU seems to overclock).

But anyway i am prime95 testing these setting (i'll edit this post when i get home and tell you if it failed)
Congrat. Hope you get 2.8ghz>. the ram timing aren?t bad at all.
what brand mem? Hope my TCCD (patriot XBLK) give me good timing when I get this mobo.
I mean for little and easy vmod and $69 board you get 2.7 out of A64 3000.
most expensive nf4 needs a lot of trial and error to reach 2.6-2.7ghz. If you could do 2.8
that means better than DFI LP, Kicking nf4 out the door.
BTW, are you using stock HSF?

Bios
--CPU--
HTT:300
PCIE:102
Bios Failed gaurd: On
CnQ Off
Spead Spectrume(sp?): off
Multiplier: 9
Voltage: (1.125, really it is somewhere between 1.55 and 1.6: read ocw's vcore mod)
Divider: 100Mhz (use a64_info windows tool to set to 150... ie 225Mhz on the RAM)
timing: 2.5x3x3x7 1T

--Chipset--
NB->CPU link 600Mhz
Dram voltage: High

Windows:
A64_info /A64 Tweaker, set Mem Divider to 150 to get higher Ram clocks with out cold boots from asrock bios issue.

I hope this helps.

-Chris

**edit**
8 hours and 45 min Prime95 stable...
here are settings
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=40922

Now I'll try 2800 lol

Congrat. Hope you get 2.8ghz>. the ram timing aren?t bad at all.
what brand mem? Hope my TCCD (patriot XBLK) give me good timing when I get this mobo.
I mean for little and easy vmod and $69 board you get 2.7 out of A64 3000.
most expensive nf4 needs a lot of trial and error to reach 2.6-2.7ghz.
Kicking nf4 out the door.
BTW, are you using stock HSF?

 

[designit]

Originally posted by: LeonarD26
Do you need really good RAM to overclock on this board?? I have 2 x 512 Mushkin that can be seen here:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820146219

I'm worried that I wont be able to get a decent overclock with this board and a Venice. I currently have it running on my Mobile Athlon 2400 running at 10.5 x 200

Thanks!

those timings are too loose and most probably not much oc @1:1.
Get below-cheapest TCCD so far and overclocks 300fsb 1:1 and even higher if lucky.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820220033

 

[designit]

Originally posted by: r0llot0masi
Is there any way to measure temps on this board through Windows? I'd like to see what my temps are while under load. When I check it in the bios (after it has had some time to cool down) it says 38*C when the cpu (3200+) is at 2.0 and 2.2ghz, and it says 41* at 2.4.

Try Everest Home Edition. It is a free benching software that also shows information on mobo, temp, fan, bios, ram, video card, etc.

 

[Lord Banshee]

Originally posted by: designit

Congrat. Hope you get 2.8ghz>. the ram timing aren?t bad at all.
what brand mem? Hope my TCCD (patriot XBLK) give me good timing when I get this mobo.
I mean for little and easy vmod and $69 board you get 2.7 out of A64 3000.
most expensive nf4 needs a lot of trial and error to reach 2.6-2.7ghz.
Kicking nf4 out the door.
BTW, are you using stock HSF?

Thanks

- 2.8 ended with a BSOD during win booting. I am happy with 2.7, i am going to try and see if i can lower the VCore some more and see if it is stable.
- this is my ram (unless they changed the chip) i have two of these
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145026
- Who said i didn't have trial and error lol. There was some amount of hours in this OC, so not sure if it is kicking DFI as i never owned one of those.
- I am using this heat sink pluged directly into mobo (no hi/low switch install using it for my HTPC)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835118113

BTW i am working on a program to load A64Info Change the settings and close it for starting up... (if and when i get done and anyone is intrested i will post the exe)

 

[inane]

I was unable to get my FSB past 270Mhz, but with my 3000+ thats still a 600Mhz OC on the CPU which is damn fine for both the cpu and mobo ~220$

The only downside is I guess I'm stuck with 170Mhz ram since my Corsair refuses to OC anywhere past 200Mhz, so im stuck using the 133Mhz setting on DRAM.

 

[Lord Banshee]

Hey Inane,
You can get a program called a64info or a64 tweaker and change the divider in windows, and use something closer to 200Mhz maybe 140 150?

WHat corsair ram do you have? Mine works great with stock timming and 225Mhz. Do you have DRAM Voltage set to High?

 

[LostWanderer]

This dates me a bit as I don't upgrade often. After reading all the great things about A64 and getting fed up with my old box, I finally bit the bullet and took the plunge. Now I just gotta post my upgrades and get some input....

Current System
Shuttle AK31 Socket A 200mhz FSB
1.3 ghz AMD TBird
512mb PC2100 DDR
TI 4200 64mb
400w Powmax PSU

New System
AsRock 939Dual-SATA2
3200+ Venice
ThermalTake Silent Boost
TBD 1gb PC3200 <--- Any suggestions?
TBD ~$200 video card <--- Any suggestions?
Do I need a new PSU?

Should get the parts and complete the build next week. Any feedback greatly appreciated.

Edit - BTW I'm all about most bang for the buck so value ram is fine w/ me and I've been a big fan of NVidia cards, but the Sapphire X800GTO2 deal is tempting...Someone convince me quick!

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: Lord Banshee
Well to let everyone know

i am using ocwbeta2 bios and did the Vcore mod on ocw's site (Double Echo this doesn't require you to touch the CPU. All you do is connect two nodes of a once open circuit.

It is very easy to do, all i did was tape off everything around the area i wanted to connect, get a drop (small small small) of solder put it in between the two nodes, use my solderiron to melt the solder to one node to the other as clean and little as possible. remove tape and enjoy Vcore up to 1.65 (my board will go higher as my PSU seems to overclock).

But anyway i am prime95 testing these setting (i'll edit this post when i get home and tell you if it failed)

Bios
--CPU--
HTT:300
PCIE:102
Bios Failed gaurd: On
CnQ Off
Spead Spectrume(sp?): off
Multiplier: 9
Voltage: (1.125, really it is somewhere between 1.55 and 1.6: read ocw's vcore mod)
Divider: 100Mhz (use a64_info windows tool to set to 150... ie 225Mhz on the RAM)
timing: 2.5x3x3x7 1T

--Chipset--
NB->CPU link 600Mhz
Dram voltage: High

Windows:
A64_info /A64 Tweaker, set Mem Divider to 150 to get higher Ram clocks with out cold boots from asrock bios issue.

I hope this helps.

-Chris

**edit**
8 hours and 45 min Prime95 stable...
here are settings
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=40922

Now I'll try 2800 lol

Cool, glad to hear the volt mod worked for you (and was relatively easy)

 

[Double Echo]

Well, I'm glad to see the mod worked for ya. I can't afford to get another CPU if I screw it up though, so I'll stick with my 600MHz overclock.

My parents want me to build them a PC, so I'm going to get them another ASRock board and the Venice 3000+ E6 (I have the E3) and see how it goes. If the E6 goes higher, I might just have to swap them....

 

[The Pentium Guy]

Originally posted by: Double Echo
Well, I'm glad to see the mod worked for ya. I can't afford to get another CPU if I screw it up though, so I'll stick with my 600MHz overclock.

My parents want me to build them a PC, so I'm going to get them another ASRock board and the Venice 3000+ E6 (I have the E3) and see how it goes. If the E6 goes higher, I might just have to swap them....

You're going to overclock your parents' PC?

.

 

[Double Echo]

Originally posted by: The Pentium Guy

Originally posted by: Double Echo
Well, I'm glad to see the mod worked for ya. I can't afford to get another CPU if I screw it up though, so I'll stick with my 600MHz overclock.

My parents want me to build them a PC, so I'm going to get them another ASRock board and the Venice 3000+ E6 (I have the E3) and see how it goes. If the E6 goes higher, I might just have to swap them....

You're going to overclock your parents' PC?

.

Absolutely! I'm the one who fixes all of their stuff anyways. Plus I get their 1 GHz laptop it'll be replacing out of the deal. It's a win-win situation for all! Plus it'll give me a chance to use my wireless PCMCIA card to have a portable PC in my apartment. I had bought it for my sister, but her old cheapo laptop doesn't support Cardbus cards.

 

[designit]

Originally posted by: Lord Banshee
Thanks

- 2.8 ended with a BSOD during win booting. I am happy with 2.7, i am going to try and see if i can lower the VCore some more and see if it is stable.
- this is my ram (unless they changed the chip) i have two of these
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145026
- Who said i didn't have trial and error lol. There was some amount of hours in this OC, so not sure if it is kicking DFI as i never owned one of those.
- I am using this heat sink pluged directly into mobo (no hi/low switch install using it for my HTPC)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835118113

BTW i am working on a program to load A64Info Change the settings and close it for starting up... (if and when i get done and anyone is intrested i will post the exe)

Does Betta bios have over 300 fsb?
You are saying you want to oc over 2.7 (9x300) which means higher than 300 fsb for cpu.
I am confused here,and if the new bios goes higher than 300 this is great news.
please enlighten me.
thanks

 

[The Pentium Guy]

Absolutely! I'm the one who fixes all of their stuff anyways

Your parents must love you... >.<
. After I built their computer and once it worked, they wouldn't let me touch it...until it had problems and they needed some fixing.

-The Pentium Guy

 

[meelk]

Hi, new to these forums, altho I'm not new to computers in general by any stretch of the imagination. I've just ordered this board, along with an X2 3800 which should arrive next week. I look forward to giving my own impressions of both in the hopes it can help others. My current system is a barton 2500, gig of corsair value 2.5, 9800pro/128. The ram and the video card will make the transition to this new board. I hope everything works out well for the people getting this motherboard, I'll report my own findings sometime late next week.