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dud

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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/why-ecuador-ended-asylum-spoiled-brat-julian-assange-n993711

Why Ecuador ended asylum for 'spoiled brat' Julian Assange

Ecuador, which prides itself on its hospitality and spent almost $1 million a year protecting the WikiLeaks founder, saw his behavior as a national insult.

"The dramatic end to Julian Assange's has sparked curiosity about his 7-year stay inside Ecuador's Embassy in London that was marked by his late-night skateboarding, the physical harassment of his caretakers and even the smearing of his own fecal matter on the walls of the diplomatic mission.
It would've tested the patience of any host. But for tiny Ecuador, which prides itself on its hospitality and spent almost $1 million a year protecting Assange, it was also seen as a national insult.

"We've ended the asylum of this spoiled brat," a visibly flustered President Lenin Moreno said Thursday in a fiery speech explaining his decision to withdraw protection of Assange and hand him over to British police. "From now on we'll be more careful in giving asylum to people who are really worth it, and not miserable hackers whose only goal is to destabilize governments."
Others, including former Ecuadorian President Rafael Correa, who granted Assange asylum in 2012, said that while Assange violated the terms of his asylum and was a burden on Ecuador "that's no excuse for throwing him to the lions."

Ecuador emerged as a haven for the WikiLeaks founder in 2012 as his legal options to evade extradition to Sweden over sex crime accusations dried up in the United Kingdom. On a June day, he moved into the country's embassy near the upscale Harrods department store for what most thought would be a short stay.
Instead, the cramped quarters, where a small office was converted into a bedroom, became a permanent address that some likened to a de facto jail.

As the asylum dragged on, his relations with his hosts soured and his behavior became more erratic. Embassy staff complained of him skateboarding at night, playing loud music and walking around in his underwear with no apparent concern for others in the tiny embassy.

One senior Ecuadorian official described his room as a "sovereign territory within a sovereign territory" that none of the staff at No. 3 Hans Crescent could enter. But the stench from going weeks without a shower, and dental problem born of poor hygiene, was a constant nuisance, according to the official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he isn't authorized to discuss details of Assange's behavior.

Then there was the issue of Assange's poop, which authorities said he spread across embassy walls on at least one occasion in an act of open defiance showing how little he thought of his hosts.

"When you're given shelter, cared for and provided food, you don't denounce the owner of the house," Moreno said Thursday to applause.

Within months of taking office in 2017, Moreno's government scolded Assange again for meddling in international affairs by voicing his support for Catalan secessionists from the Ecuadorian Embassy.

Relations grew so prickly that last year Ecuador increased its restrictions on his Internet access and required him to clean up after his cat James. The rules said that if the feline wasn't properly fed and cleaned up after, it would be sent to the pound.
Assange tried challenging the restrictions in Ecuadorian court, to no avail.

More recently, as the feuding became more public, he started physically and verbally harassing his caretakers, accusing them of being U.S. spies looking to exchange information on WikiLeaks in exchange for debt relief for Ecuador.

Foreign Minister Jose Valencia said in an audio recording a few months ago captured a moment when Assange threatened Ambassador Jaime Merchan with pressing something of a panic button that he said would bring devastating consequences for the Embassy in the event of his arrest. Although it wasn't clear what he meant by the threat, authorities shared their concerns with British authorities and in carrying out the raid Thursday were careful to prevent Assange from returning to his room to execute any possible emergency plans.
The final straw for Moreno was WikiLeaks' decision to spread information about a purported offshore account controlled by the president's brother. Personal photographs of Moreno lying in bed, as well as images of close family members dancing, were also leaked, further incensing him."
 
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zinfamous

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Assange isn't a reporter. Assange isn't a journalist. Assange is a Kremlin asset, has hosted a tv show on the Russian RT network, and his organization targets almost exclusively western democracies. Genuine journalists should not plant their flag on this hill.

yes, it's quite simple. watch the "Bernie Bros," liberdupians, and other suckers duped into Twitter Russian bot warfare continue to defend him, though.
 

hal2kilo

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yes, it's quite simple. watch the "Bernie Bros," liberdupians, and other suckers duped into Twitter Russian bot warfare continue to defend him, though.
Holy hell, the left media is just as bad as the alt right media at this point on the subject. I guess the Russians have acted in nothing but good faith. People need to take those blinders off.
 

Jhhnn

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The US govt for decades through GOP and Democrat administrations has inserted itself into geopolitical affairs of dictators\scumbags on behalf of dictators\scumbags.

Don't be talking about Bibi that way.

The people we've supported most strongly have been other Democracies around the globe. I hope you realize that the whole point of all this right wing nationalism is to turn us against each other.
 
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Lanyap

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It's like Trump will stand in front of a mirror and keep repeating it to himself to make sure he doesn't have to reach into his back pocket and read the index cards Ivanka writes his responses on.



Meh, he doesn't have to practice. That stuff comes out of his mouth like..like..like.. well, you know what I mean.
 
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UglyCasanova

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Will the trial be public? This is going to be the one of the century, I can’t think of a more culturally/politically significant one than this.
 

dud

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Will the trial be public? This is going to be the one of the century, I can’t think of a more culturally/politically significant one than this.


A trial in the US, if it happens at all will Be some time off. Assange still has to face British justice for jumping bail and holing up in the embassy for 7 years. The Swedes might be interested in reopening the rape case against him as well. It sounds like the US is next in line after the Brits though ...
 

trenchfoot

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I get the feeling he'll be angling for an insanity plea what with that show he put on while he was being hustled from the embassy.
 

Genx87

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Don't be talking about Bibi that way.

The people we've supported most strongly have been other Democracies around the globe. I hope you realize that the whole point of all this right wing nationalism is to turn us against each other.

I really hope this is sarcasm.
 

cytg111

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It disregards all the dictators we have supported.

It does not, it was stated that the US had most of all supported other democracies, I invite you to prove this false?

Think post WW2 influence in Europe and NATO, NATO being the single most powerful and significant alliance in history. It is an alliance of democracies that benefits and protects us all, our way of life.

(it should be a mind bender when Trump rocks NATO, and whos hand is up his arse when he does it)

That being said, support of one dictator over another dictator, some times you have to go with the lesser evil .. what else are you going to do, roll in and force democracy on the planet? The very definition of democracy sort of implies that rises from the people.
 

Fern

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I also think this is a bad idea.

I feel Assange himself is irrelevant to the concerns. Bad guy, good guy, doesn't matter. He's not the issue.

I think it a problematic area to have the gov too much involved in deciding who is and who isn't a journalist and therefore protected under the 1st. And I see politics is being used as a metric: "he's a Russian stooge" and "he had a show on RT". I find this troubling.

I generally oppose the USA exerting its jurisdiction beyond our borders. Sure, someone commits a crime here and them flees to another country go get 'em. I can see it somewhat with hacking too. But that's not the charge; it's conspiracy as I understand it.

I've also read that Statute of Limitations for both hacking and conspiracy have long expired and to get around that the USA is using terrorism laws/statutes. I'm not comfortable with that at all.

Fern
 

fskimospy

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I also think this is a bad idea.

I feel Assange himself is irrelevant to the concerns. Bad guy, good guy, doesn't matter. He's not the issue.

I think it a problematic area to have the gov too much involved in deciding who is and who isn't a journalist and therefore protected under the 1st. And I see politics is being used as a metric: "he's a Russian stooge" and "he had a show on RT". I find this troubling.

I generally oppose the USA exerting its jurisdiction beyond our borders. Sure, someone commits a crime here and them flees to another country go get 'em. I can see it somewhat with hacking too. But that's not the charge; it's conspiracy as I understand it.

I've also read that Statute of Limitations for both hacking and conspiracy have long expired and to get around that the USA is using terrorism laws/statutes. I'm not comfortable with that at all.

Fern

The government isn’t deciding who and who is not a journalist and no journalist would be protected from these charges regardless. The first amendment does not protect anyone from arrest and conviction for conspiracy to hack computers.
 

Fern

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The government isn’t deciding who and who is not a journalist and no journalist would be protected from these charges regardless. The first amendment does not protect anyone from arrest and conviction for conspiracy to hack computers.

As I understand it, in many past cases the journalists have often encouraged the leaker to get more info and conspiracy was not charged.

Still, the SOL has expired.

Fern
 

Jhhnn

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I also think this is a bad idea.

I feel Assange himself is irrelevant to the concerns. Bad guy, good guy, doesn't matter. He's not the issue.

I think it a problematic area to have the gov too much involved in deciding who is and who isn't a journalist and therefore protected under the 1st. And I see politics is being used as a metric: "he's a Russian stooge" and "he had a show on RT". I find this troubling.

I generally oppose the USA exerting its jurisdiction beyond our borders. Sure, someone commits a crime here and them flees to another country go get 'em. I can see it somewhat with hacking too. But that's not the charge; it's conspiracy as I understand it.

I've also read that Statute of Limitations for both hacking and conspiracy have long expired and to get around that the USA is using terrorism laws/statutes. I'm not comfortable with that at all.

Fern

Get a clue by reading the indictment-

https://www.lawfareblog.com/document-julian-assange-indictment

It's very much about Assange & not about the broader context of press freedom to publish whistleblower information. It's about Assange allegedly conspiring with Manning to crack passwords of protected US govt computer systems, a form of hacking. If true, Assange crossed a fairly bright line. He can publish anything he wants. He just can't try to help people steal it.
 
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