Assault Weapons Ban

[Zebo]

I fear the day when we the people have no way to defend ourselves from our own govt.
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Please, the governemnt can't even handle 30M ass backwards Iraqis you think they would be able handle 400M with access to industrial, chemical and electronics manufacturing ability?

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: glenn1

The fact is that an ak or variant with a 10 round clip actually makes a decent deer rifle.

While an AK a "decent" deer rifle, I bet you actually use something like a Remington model 700 in .270 Winchester or .30-06 caliber.

I'm old school. I run em over with my truck.

 

[glenn1]

I'm old school. I run em over with my truck.

Oh jeeez... this thread already had the potential to break into one of those arguments about the merits of .308 vs .30-06, now you have to go and bring Ford vs Chevy into the mix

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: glenn1

The fact is that an ak or variant with a 10 round clip actually makes a decent deer rifle.

While an AK a "decent" deer rifle, I bet you actually use something like a Remington model 700 in .270 Winchester or .30-06 caliber.

But they're evil too, thay could be used as a sniper rifle
:Q

 

[Zebo]

.308 vs .30-06 blah 300 win mag minimum. The other stuff just bouces off the ceramic plates.

 

[0marTheZealot]

lmao when you absolutely, positively must take out every SWAT member, accept no substitutes.

(yes i know swat members don't use ceramic plates).

 

[Pliablemoose]

Here's a fun thread in OT: Text

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
Jesus Christ! Is ATOT finished running a train on my as$?

You gun owners have your opinion, and I will have mine. I dont think any of us are going to change our opinions. Some comments I have made may have been too sarcastic or stereotypical for you....but to be quite honest with you....I dont give a sh*t. End the gun thread.

 

[OFFascist]

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
What's the legitimate civilian use of a grenade launcher?

The AWB doesnt ban grenade launchers. It only bans the thing on the rifle that a grenade launcher attaches too.

Like how in the military they have those M203 single shot grenade launchers under the barrel of some M-16s. It bans the thing they attach too. I'm not exactly sure how it is attached on the M-16s, is it actually the bayonet lug? Anyways on some other rifles that "rifled grenades" have been developed for, you have to have something on the barrel so that you couldnt fit a rifled grenade on it.

Grenades and grenade launchers were already restricted prior to the AWB.

Or a muzzle or flash suppressor?

Every gun needs a muzzle, and every gun has a muzzle. A muzzle is the hole at the end of the barrel that the bullet comes out of.

If you mean muzzle break, well those arent restricted and while they look similar to flash hiders (flash suppressors) they do a different job, they vent some of the escaping gas in a way so that it reduces recoil.

Flash hiders dont dont exist to prevent cops or other people from seeing where you are firing from. Flash hiders are to prevent you from being blinded by the flash of your own weapon. If someone is shooting you will still see thier flash if they have a flash hider.

Like at night, you know how your eyes have to adjust to the darkness and how a bright light will fvck up your night vision. Well flash hiders are to help protect your night vision.

Now let me talk about silencers, otherwise known as sound suppressors. They arent restricted by the AWB, they have been restricted since before it. Silencers arent just for badguys who want to kill covertly. Normal people can use silencers to help protect thier hearing and keep noise down so they dont bother other people when they are plinking and whatnot.

What do YOU interpret the "right to bear arms" as?

Many people interpret it differently. I think I have the right to own any small arm.

And, if the AWB doesn't relate to machine guns, what law is it that bans M-16's, AK-47's, Uzis, etc.?

They arent banned. People can still own them. I think its the National Firearm Act of 1934 that first restricted them. To own a fully automatic weapon you have to pass a background check, pay a $200 tax, and the weapon has to be registered.

In 1986 another law was passed that prevented gun makers from selling any new full auto weapons to civillians.

So now the quantity of legal full auto guns is finite, and constantly going up in price as the years pass.

 

[OFFascist]

Anyways all that being said I'll be glad when the AWB finally expires.

Then I can buy one of these with all the features it should have.

http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-rifles-m1a-stan.shtml

Which would be adding a bayonet lug, maybe a flash suppressor instead of a muzzle break.

I probably wouldnt get a pistol grip stock, nor a collapsable/foldable stock, though they do exist.

I also might be able to buy newer 20 and maybe 30 round magazines.

 

[43st]

Text Looks like Bush flip flopped on this one.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Thera
Text Looks like Bush flip flopped on this one.

According to the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, many states have since liberalized laws on carrying concealed weapons, raising the possibility that people will be allowed to bring concealed assault weapons into crowded public places.

This is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard.

 

[ciba]

Originally posted by: Thera
Text Looks like Bush flip flopped on this one.

Flip flop? I didn't see him veto anything. Inaction does not constitute waffling. If he were actively opposing the legislation, I would understand your argument.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: ciba

Originally posted by: Thera
Text Looks like Bush flip flopped on this one.

Flip flop? I didn't see him veto anything. Inaction does not constitute waffling. If he were actively opposing the legislation, I would understand your argument.

goood,
anyone that is informed about this issue will agree that its soccer-mom though up bunch of crap. This legislature does NOT make us safer

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Thera
Text Looks like Bush flip flopped on this one.

According to the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, many states have since liberalized laws on carrying concealed weapons, raising the possibility that people will be allowed to bring concealed assault weapons into crowded public places.

This is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard.

hah, im willing to bet the guy has NEVER seen an assault weapon in "real life", much less to try to conceal it. My brother owns a colt at-15 and we just split a romain ak47 - there is NO WAY anyone could conceal a rifle like that anywhere. As a matter of fact you'll be lot better off bringing a sawed off 12 gauge or a magnum revolver (that would be more lethal than a .223 ar15) than what they consider "assault weapon"

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Thera
Text Looks like Bush flip flopped on this one.

According to the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, many states have since liberalized laws on carrying concealed weapons, raising the possibility that people will be allowed to bring concealed assault weapons into crowded public places.

This is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard.

hah, im willing to bet the guy has NEVER seen an assault weapon in "real life", much less to try to conceal it. My brother owns a colt at-15 and we just split a romain ak47 - there is NO WAY anyone could conceal a rifle like that anywhere. As a matter of fact you'll be lot better off bringing a sawed off 12 gauge or a magnum revolver (that would be more lethal than a .223 ar15) than what they consider "assault weapon"

Yep. I am just wating on a new holster to come in for my FAL so I can use it for for concealed carry come September.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Thera
Text Looks like Bush flip flopped on this one.

According to the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, many states have since liberalized laws on carrying concealed weapons, raising the possibility that people will be allowed to bring concealed assault weapons into crowded public places.

This is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard.

hah, im willing to bet the guy has NEVER seen an assault weapon in "real life", much less to try to conceal it. My brother owns a colt at-15 and we just split a romain ak47 - there is NO WAY anyone could conceal a rifle like that anywhere. As a matter of fact you'll be lot better off bringing a sawed off 12 gauge or a magnum revolver (that would be more lethal than a .223 ar15) than what they consider "assault weapon"

Yep. I am just wating on a new holster to come in for my FAL so I can use it for for concealed carry come September.

hah get a violin case and strap it on your back... or maybe a box full of roses arnold style

"is that an H&K g3 rifle in your pants, or are you just really happy to see me?"

 

[tec699]

Originally posted by: Zebo
I fear the day when we the people have no way to defend ourselves from our own govt.


And how the f*ck are you going to defend against the US government? Are you going to position you and your family in a house while the US government blows a hole through the side wall? Do you really think that you could take out enough US military to make it matter? The point is you can't defend yourself from the American governement. They will destroy your family and everything that you hold dear.

Deal with it.

 

[tec699]

We just had a shooting in Camden last week. The thugs pulled out a AK-47 assault rifle and literally started to shoot at anyone and everyone. Of couse nothing will be done because the crime was committed in a black neighborhood, but if it happened it a white surban district then forget about it...

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: tec699

Originally posted by: Zebo
I fear the day when we the people have no way to defend ourselves from our own govt.


And how the f*ck are you going to defend against the US government? Are you going to position you and your family in a house while the US government blows a hole through the side wall? Do you really think that you could take out enough US military to make it matter? The point is you can't defend yourself from the American governement. They will destroy your family and everything that you hold dear.

Deal with it.

With what is going on in Iraq with maybe .0001% of the people actively involved in an insurgency causing a ton of problems you think that an armed US citizenry couldn't make things rough for an oppressive government?

The government does not want to kill the populace, just suppress them. If they kill everybody there will be no one to govern.

Originally posted by: tec699
We just had a shooting in Camden last week. The thugs pulled out a AK-47 assault rifle and literally started to shoot at anyone and everyone. Of couse nothing will be done because the crime was committed in a black neighborhood, but if it happened it a white surban district then forget about it...

Are we talking about a fully automatic AK-47? :roll:

 

[FelixDeCat]

Down with the the ban!

Best resource on the net regarding this issue. Active for several years now. www.awbansunset.com

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: Genx87

The Big Govt we are all afraid of is exactly WHY we should have access to assualt weapons

I believe the framers of the constitution believed that as well and why they put it in there. They gave you firearms not only for self defense from foreign intruders but from domestic ones also(including the govt).

The time to defend ourselves from the government has been here ever since the inception of FICA and the IRS.

 

[imported_Aelius]

Even if they don't renew it there will be another law created to take its place and I'm sure it will be even more restrictive.

If they can't justify passing that law then I'm sure some horrible event will occur to help the American people more easily digest the law.

Afterall if a couple of dozen police chiefs, dozens of senators, and perhaps even the administration, especially the media, tells you that you will be safer then it must be true because they said so. :roll:

This cycle will not end. So long as governments like this exist they will seek to limit, restrict, regulate, ban, and villify guns as much as possible. The 2nd worst case scenario is a population uprising that is heavily armed with military grade weapons. When an armed population outnumbers a "willing" military by roughly 100 to 1 you should start to worry.

The only thing worse to a government is an unwilling military. It always happens to one degree or another.

Lets hope we never have to find out if I'm right.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: tec699

Originally posted by: Zebo
I fear the day when we the people have no way to defend ourselves from our own govt.

And how the f*ck are you going to defend against the US government? Are you going to position you and your family in a house while the US government blows a hole through the side wall? Do you really think that you could take out enough US military to make it matter? The point is you can't defend yourself from the American governement. They will destroy your family and everything that you hold dear.

Deal with it.

If the US government decides to wipe out a portion of the country, I agree, there isnt anything a citizen can do about it. OTOH, how many times does a government actually try to destroy a piece of ground? It is much more valuable to them if they occupy and use it. The Israeli's havent actually destroyed the Palestinians (and yes, Israel has nukes and thus could do it). You really think a US government is going to nuke an American city to pacify it?

So, in the vastly more likely occupation scenario, you really think that a vastly larger population to be pacified, with better training (military vets), and roughly equivalent weapons as the Iraqi's, that the US population couldnt do a lot better than the Iraqi's have?

If the US population has the means to effectively resist, the government is fscked if they try to go totally overboard, provided enough people resist. And "enough people" is a rather small number.

 

[0roo0roo]

assault weapon is just an emotional term. its sad that the repubs love to use this tactic too though. partial birth abortion anyone?

 

[ajf3]

LOCK & LOAD, Baby!

Bus seriously, does this mean that hi-cap (>10 round) clips can be sold to non LEO people again now? For the past several years, you could only buy ones manufactured before some certain date unless you were a LEO (Law Enforcement Officer).