Assault Weapons Ban

[Vadatajs]

Originally posted by: Shaocaholica

Originally posted by: Vadatajs

* Grenade launcher

The bolded one is the only one I see as worth saving. The rest are reasonable through licensed arms dealers, who have undergone extensive background checks.

The current Assult Weapons Ban only bans the launcher not the ammunition (grenades). The grenades themselves are banned under a completely separate law, the Nation Firearms Act (NFA) which is not expiring and not under debate here.

Still, I think that sort of hardware should be available to the millitary only and law enforcement (as a platform for less lethal weapons).

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: sward666
I have a strong suspicion that the vast majority of people who think the AWB is a good, effective piece of legislation have no idea what it actually says or does. e.g. Most people probably think that it relates to machine guns somehow, a misperception that the gun control lobby has happily perpetuated.

right on the money

The legislature is idiotic at best - it plays off people that are misguided about the entire issue.

There's a certain number of "evil features"that the rifle can have (i think if its over 3, its considered an assault rife).

Evil features:
flash suppressor,
folding stock
removable/high cap mag
pistol grip handle
short barrel etc


so if you have a bushmaster car15 for example, it comes with removable mag, pistol grip and short barrel. That's legal. If you put a folding stock on the gun, it's not. How will the folding stock make it more "evil" is beyond me

 

[Triumph]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: ciba

An "assault weapon" is a weapon where one round is fired for ever pull of the trigger. "Assault Weapon" is a nice buzzword because people confuse it with assault rifles like M-16s, AK47s, etc.

Uhhh... isn't that basically every weapon? Because I don't know of any guns that fire 3/8th's of a round every time you pull the trigger.

Meaning that the following round is loaded and gun cocked upon the firing of the previous round. Thus revolvers and bolt actions aren't included. I'm not sure on pump shotguns, I think they are still subject to the AWB.

boy, there's a huge difference between what you said and what he said.

 

[ciba]

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
Well that clears it up. The OP left out a pretty major part of the definition...

I'm sorry, my original post presupposed you knew an assault rifle was an automatic weapon.

 

[MrGrim257]

Weapons that qualified for the AWB were selected by uninformed politicians based on how "scary" they looked. There is no systematic logic that defines which weapons qualify for it and which ones dont.

 

[Bulk Beef]

Originally posted by: Vadatajs

Originally posted by: Shaocaholica

Originally posted by: Vadatajs

* Grenade launcher

The bolded one is the only one I see as worth saving. The rest are reasonable through licensed arms dealers, who have undergone extensive background checks.

The current Assult Weapons Ban only bans the launcher not the ammunition (grenades). The grenades themselves are banned under a completely separate law, the Nation Firearms Act (NFA) which is not expiring and not under debate here.

Still, I think that sort of hardware should be available to the millitary only and law enforcement (as a platform for less lethal weapons).

Do you really want to know how benign the grenade launcher is?

 

[lozina]

Look at Switzerland, where if I recall correctly every male between 20 and 40-something is required to have an automatic rifle at their house and know how to use it. I think the Swiss are highest guns per capita however their crime rate is extremely low.

 

[Zebo]

What's the legitimate civilian use of a grenade launcher?
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That's ordnace not arms by 18th century language which meant small arms and should be banned. it's indeiscrimmate and offesive.


Or a muzzle or flash suppressor?
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My wife gets nervous with a .45 and a silencer makes for pleasant shooting. BTW they are legal she has one but it costed $200 for the federal tax and $800 for the product. Not exactly common man enabled..it's effectively banned. Flash supressors has been covered.

What do YOU interpret the "right to bear arms" as?
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Small arms. To include machine guns, and so called "Assult weapons", pistols, rifles, shotguns or anything else that could be used in self-defense or sport.

And, if the AWB doesn't relate to machine guns, what law is it that bans M-16's, AK-47's, Uzis, etc.
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1986 crime control act in combination with the The National Firearms Act of 1934.

the 1986 law states you can't sell any of those weapons manufactured after that date, the 1934 law states you must go tough extensive backgroud and pay inordinate fees for these items. The combination of these two laws has inflated the price of these finite supply of pre-1986 weapons to astronomical levels effectivly banning them for all but the richest enthusiast.

 

[busmaster11]

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
What's the legitimate civilian use of a grenade launcher? Or a muzzle or flash suppressor? What do YOU interpret the "right to bear arms" as?

LOL... You'll NEVER get a straight answer from the macho/right wing/libertarians on that one...

 

[Helenihi]

Originally posted by: busmaster11

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
What's the legitimate civilian use of a grenade launcher? Or a muzzle or flash suppressor? What do YOU interpret the "right to bear arms" as?

LOL... You'll NEVER get a straight answer from the macho/right wing/libertarians on that one...

Idiot. Maybe you should read the thread.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: busmaster11

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
What's the legitimate civilian use of a grenade launcher? Or a muzzle or flash suppressor? What do YOU interpret the "right to bear arms" as?

LOL... You'll NEVER get a straight answer from the macho/right wing/libertarians on that one...

I gave an answer but then I'm a macho hardassed liberal who's not afriad to buck the party line.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: busmaster11

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
What's the legitimate civilian use of a grenade launcher? Or a muzzle or flash suppressor? What do YOU interpret the "right to bear arms" as?

LOL... You'll NEVER get a straight answer from the macho/right wing/libertarians on that one...

Seeing how grenades are highly illegal, a launcher on a rifle would be rather useless unless you want to launch a flare.

 

[biostud]

A laugh my ass off when I hear people whine about this

 

[MonstaThrilla]

Originally posted by: ciba

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
Well that clears it up. The OP left out a pretty major part of the definition...

I'm sorry, my original post presupposed you knew an assault rifle was an automatic weapon.

I did know that, and your explanation still confused the hell out of me. Were you trying to distinguish between lower case generic "assault weapons" and uppercase, proper "Assault Weapons" as defined by the 1996 ban?

 

[ciba]

"Assault Weapons" applies to weapons covered by the AWB. "Assault Rifles" applies to those covered under 1986 and 1934 laws. No difference was meant in the capitalization.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: Vadatajs

Originally posted by: Shaocaholica

Originally posted by: Vadatajs

* Grenade launcher

The bolded one is the only one I see as worth saving. The rest are reasonable through licensed arms dealers, who have undergone extensive background checks.

The current Assult Weapons Ban only bans the launcher not the ammunition (grenades). The grenades themselves are banned under a completely separate law, the Nation Firearms Act (NFA) which is not expiring and not under debate here.

Still, I think that sort of hardware should be available to the millitary only and law enforcement (as a platform for less lethal weapons).

Actually you are talking about extremely antiquated firearms. On the order of 30-40 years+ ago. We aren't talking about M203's that are mounted under an M16, but more like this.

The special ammunition to fire that hasn't been made in 40 years. The grenades themselves non-existant. Poses absoltely no danger.


Modern grenade launchers are a completely differnet class and not covered by the AWB. They are considered destructive devices, and require the $200 stamp and extensive background checks. Sure you can spend $4,000 on an M203 grenade launcher, but in reality impossible to obtain an 40mm grenade.

 

[judasmachine]

I used to have a problem with g-g-g-guuuuunnnnsssss!

/The Tick

I'm in the middle when it comes to guns, as I believe in armed rebellion, but oppose selling them to just anyone. So yeah, I'm a bit confused and undecided.

 

[Shaocaholica]

Originally posted by: judasmachine
I used to have a problem with g-g-g-guuuuunnnnsssss!

/The Tick

I'm in the middle when it comes to guns, as I believe in armed rebellion, but oppose selling them to just anyone. So yeah, I'm a bit confused and undecided.

Where do you get the impression that guns are "sold to anyone"? There are already plenty of laws that prevent this but there needs to be a crackdown on them instead of making new laws.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Stupid law, should have been named "Attempted Ban of Black Guns Ban"

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
What's the legitimate civilian use of a grenade launcher? Or a muzzle or flash suppressor? What do YOU interpret the "right to bear arms" as?

And, if the AWB doesn't relate to machine guns, what law is it that bans M-16's, AK-47's, Uzis, etc.?

Use????? thats easy....you got to thin out their numbers...or else they could starve and die

 

[Genx87]

The Big Govt we are all afraid of is exactly WHY we should have access to assualt weapons

I believe the framers of the constitution believed that as well and why they put it in there. They gave you firearms not only for self defense from foreign intruders but from domestic ones also(including the govt).

I fear the day when we the people have no way to defend ourselves from our own govt.

 

[jackschmittusa]

Just another of those laws that accomplishs nothing, but makes the ignorant masses feel safer. The weapons covered are not the choice of criminals for the reasons listed above as well as that they are not very concealable.

We've made robbery a crime. Didn't stop it.
Made robbery with a weapon another crime. Didn't stop it.
Made robbery with a gun specifically (in many States) another crime. Didn't stop it.
Made robbery using specific types of guns another crime> Didn't stop it.

Not too hard to see that people intent on commiting a crime have little regard for the law. Adding meaningless new laws will not work. Perhaps a hard look at new penalties for crimes would offer an actual deterrent.

 

[Evadman]

I need a fully automatic AK with a 100 round clip to go hunting. Maybe I will hit something then.

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: Evadman
I need a fully automatic AK with a 100 round clip to go hunting. Maybe I will hit something then.

Nice. You sound like Klinton. The fact is that an ak or variant with a 10 round clip actually makes a decent deer rifle.

 

[glenn1]

The fact is that an ak or variant with a 10 round clip actually makes a decent deer rifle.

While an AK a "decent" deer rifle, I bet you actually use something like a Remington model 700 in .270 Winchester or .30-06 caliber.