Astana - a capitol of Kazachstan...who's a 3rd World?

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crashtestdummy

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Yeah, rich countries and poor countries both have shitty places. It's just the ratio of shitty to not-so-shitty places is different.

Some places in the USA really surprise me, though, like pictures of Detroit, Camden etc. that are (in)famous even over here in Europe. I don't understand how the world's supposedly most powerful country can have places like that.

Re: Detroit

People go where the jobs are. The auto industry built up there a hundred years ago because it was well situated for the import of raw materials and the export of autos by the great lakes and the rail system, as transport was the major cost to construction. Now, the dominant cost is labor, and there's less incentive for the auto manufacturers to centralize their production facilities. As a result of that, the increased automation of production, the rise of imports, and a lack of new industries, there are not enough jobs to support the number that once lived there.

As a result, people have left to where the jobs are, leaving large swaths of Detroit abandoned. The city doesn't have enough money to deal with all of these, and no one wants to move to Detroit (for the reasons mentioned above), so the lots just rot.

I don't think there's a solution to bring Detroit back to it's "glory years", but I do think we should spend some money to level a lot of the abandoned regions and return them to fields, and let Detroit begin anew as a smaller city. I don't think that'll happen, though.
 

evident

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What's wrong with Trenton?


have you ever been to trenton? yes the waterfront and route 29 is nice. but once you're in the city it's a depressing reminder of a once great city that has rusted away into a ghetto. tons of houses that probably once looked beautiful turned into crap now. I used to go to the train station every day for 2 years. make a wrong turn and you're in the hood!
 

gevorg

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This thread is silly, you just can't compare an economic superpower and police state, to a developing country that is still struggling from the collapse of USSR.
 

Vdubchaos

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Yeah, rich countries and poor countries both have shitty places. It's just the ratio of shitty to not-so-shitty places is different.

Some places in the USA really surprise me, though, like pictures of Detroit, Camden etc. that are (in)famous even over here in Europe. I don't understand how the world's supposedly most powerful country can have places like that. They're on par with some of the worst ghettos in ex-Soviet states that have had their economy in freefall for the last 30 years.

Because USA plays the game of "pretend" better than any other country.

We paint the nicest pictures and covers, one has to dig deeper to see the reality.

And in many cases reality is not very pretty.
 

Ruptga

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Because USA plays the game of "pretend" better than any other country.

We paint the nicest pictures and covers, one has to dig deeper to see the reality.

And in many cases reality is not very pretty.

I really think you're right about that, but I would go further. Collectively, we seriously think we are the best thing in the world since the baby jesus. Every so often you will hear someone moan about how we're slipping from our position as the indomitable A#1 übernation, but even so that is just evidence of our inflated self-worth. We think "we" can do no wrong. I used quotes there because each of half of the country thinks the other half of the country doesn't deserve to be a part of that "we," and actually is actively trying to undermine everything that makes Murrica great. Gods forbid we should ever take a hard look at the world without our scapegoats and pretenses to protect us.
 

Gintaras

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This thread is silly, you just can't compare an economic superpower and police state, to a developing country that is still struggling from the collapse of USSR.

Economic superpower? says who? who's wearing Chinese made underwear and typing on Chinese made keyboard connected to Chinese made computer?

What about Edward Snowden? guy wanted to escape to any of "police states"?

gevorg did't even know that's already 1984.....
 

iamwiz82

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Economic superpower? says who? who's wearing Chinese made underwear and typing on Chinese made keyboard connected to Chinese made computer?

What about Edward Snowden? guy wanted to escape to any of "police states"?

gevorg did't even know that's already 1984.....

I bet no one makes threads about your country, because no one cares. :biggrin:
 

lxskllr

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I bet no one makes threads about your country, because no one cares. :biggrin:

We, as Americans would be better off if nobody cared about us. No global bank roll, no global policing, and no global hassle. The best thing I could hear is someone saying "America? That's over there somewhere, right?", while waving in the general direction of the western hemisphere.
 

Gintaras

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Pro-tip for the haters, Russian names don't end in -as. Balts do.

American education level is too low to realise this, unfortunately. :awe:

Yeah...Earth is flat...and they do have a "Freedom of Choice"...

"Bricks In The Wall" - as per Roger Waters(ex Pink Floyd)
 

gevorg

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Economic superpower? says who? who's wearing Chinese made underwear and typing on Chinese made keyboard connected to Chinese made computer?

What about Edward Snowden? guy wanted to escape to any of "police states"?

gevorg did't even know that's already 1984.....

Holy crap, are you seriously comparing Kazakh economy to US? LOL! It doesn't matter who makes underwear or keyboards, its a job for cheap slave labor that China provides to the world. Meanwhile cutting edge technology is being created and profited in US, more than everyone else combined.

What does Snowden has to do with Kazakhstan? Yes, he is a hero, but it is irrelevant to this discussion. Yes, US is on the track to police state/1984, but once again, what does this has to do with Kazakhstan? WTF dude!

Here is some food for thought for you, maybe you'll realize who is the economic superpower on your own:

Kazakh Exports ($88 billion)


US Exports ( $1.3 trillion)
 

randomrogue

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Astana is a brand new city. It's like 15 years old.

Comparing the two countries though is not entirely fair. Kazakhstan is the largest land locked country and is mostly relying on oil. Either way they have a strong economy right now and for those of you struggling to get a job in the states you might be able to find one in Kazakhstan.

'Murica! Fuck yeah!
 

Gintaras

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Holy crap, are you seriously comparing Kazakh economy to US? LOL! It doesn't matter who makes underwear or keyboards, its a job for cheap slave labor that China provides to the world. Meanwhile cutting edge technology is being created and profited in US, more than everyone else combined.


US Exports ( $1.3 trillion)

gevorg, don't fool yourself and others...

This is your REAL ECONOMY

This is official: almost 60 TRILLION in debt for whole country - ~ $188.000 in DEBT per average citizen

How many and how soon can repay their debt?

Which other country can get that much in debt?
 

iamwiz82

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gevorg, don't fool yourself and others...

This is your REAL ECONOMY

This is official: almost 60 TRILLION in debt for whole country - ~ $188.000 in DEBT per average citizen

How many and how soon can repay their debt?

Which other country can get that much in debt?

While debt of this magnitude is not good, why would private foreign banks invest if they were not comfortable? Why is the credit rating of the US so much higher than majestic Kazakhstan?
 

StrangerGuy

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1. Billonaire house in Mumbai_India.jpg

2. Unsorted trash pile in California_US.jpg

Therefore, India is economically stronger than the U.S, QED. Same method some P&N troll uses to prove Afghanistan is a not-shitty place because it has a happy girl dancing in there.
 
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Vic Vega

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OP is comparing Kazakhstan to New Jersey? Really?

Jersey might be a minor shit hole compared to other parts of the US but compared to Kazakhstan I think they have them beat.

Jersey:
GDP for 2012: $487 billion
Land Area:8,721 sq mi
Population: 8,864,590

Kazakhstan:
GDP for 2012: $231 billion
Lane Area: 1,052,085 sq mi
Population: 16,967,000

That's an entire flipping country versus ONE... count it ONE State in the US. Kazakhstan has 2x the population, 120x the land area and roughly HALF the GDP as Jersey.

Someone hit the brakes on Kazakhstan! They're a run away train! Look out New Jersey!
 

zinfamous

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3rd, I don't argue with idiots because: An idiot would bring you down to his level and will finish you with an experience - That's A Reality.....

man...i really wish you wouldn't try to say things like this. They were funny until you butcher the expression


..and you probably have no idea how your improper preposition there totally changes the meaning.

sad.
 
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