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TheOldhand

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Originally posted by: Mari0Br0s
... you should download the user manual of the A8N-E board, to be sure the RAM you'll chose will work on it... But why would you want ECC memory? NON-ECC are a lot less expensive, and are pretty good. ECC memory is more for server.
Unfortunately, there are no 1GB ECC modules liated by ASUS.

I need ECC for an upcoming project involving finite element analysis that will run continuously for 2-3 months. Without ECC, the bit-error-rate would be inadaquate. I would like to be in a position to build something better, but my budget won't support it.
 

TheOldhand

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May 3, 2005
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Originally posted by: The Pentium Guy
You probably need a server board for ECC
Fortunately, no. The Asus A8N-E accepts unbuffered-ECC. Actually, I was surprised that I could only find one non-server, non-Asus motherboard that implemented ECC, and it was much more expensive.


 

TheOldhand

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Originally posted by: The Pentium Guy
Anyone care to tell me what ECC does?
Depending upon the text that you refer to, ECC stands for either, (1) Error Checking and Correcting, or (2) Error Checking Code.

If you begin with basic parity memory, it stores 9-bits/byte instead of 8-bits/byte. The 9th bit is generated by adding up the first 8-bits. The value of the 9th bit indicates whether the total is odd or even. When the byte is eventually read from memory, the status of the total is recalculated and compared to the stored parity bit. If they don't match, that means one of the data bits has changed. Unfortunately, there is no way to determine which bit has changed.

ECC memory uses a more refined approach that not only detects that the data has changed, but actually repairs it. Basic ECC memory can handle a single bit-error.

To implement ECC, you need both ECC memory modules, and a motherboard that implements the technique. ECC memory modules are typically 15% to 45% more expensive, are available from limited sources, are available in limited speeds, and introduce an additional wait state to perform the calculation. This means that the system runs slightly slower.

The intended use of the computer usually dictates if there is a need for parity memory. For example, if a single bit-error occurs while playing a game, the result would likely be undetectable. If you're editing in Photoshop, you might have a misplaced pixel. In Word, you could introduce a spelling error. None of these results are particularly onerous. However, if you are working with financial data, a spreadsheet entry could be changed that could impact a financial decision, or a transaction. In the engineering world, if you were designing an aircraft wing or a building, it could result in deaths or injury.

Therefore, the obvious goal is to prevent data errors in the first place. Unfortunately, this is impossible. Even if every device in your PC was perfect, and the power source was perfect, errors would still occur. Our planet is under constant bombardment by cosmic rays, and the thickness of a cosmic ray shield must be measured in miles. When a cosmic ray hits a memory storage element in the right place (or rather the wrong place), it can cause a data error.

So, the bottom line is how accurate do your results have to be? Since I will be running calculations that will take 2-3 months to complete, and that must be accurate, ECC is a requirement.
 

Mari0Br0s

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Ohoh, Waylay the great has finally chosen his mobo! A8N-SLI Premium. Well, I hope you won't have all the problem the A8N-SLI Deluxe have. On my side, I'll go for a DFI LANPARTY UT nF4 Ultra-D.
 

cornholio2

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Originally posted by: Waylay00
How's it working out?



I think San Diego really has a cold bug. It just shuts down and starts up again like nothing happens but everything seems fine aside formthat it shuts down. Everything is at AUTO and DEFAULT. Any comments on this weird problem? Or maybe it just needs a bios update? I'm using 1003.
 

Waylay00

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Originally posted by: Mari0Br0s
Ohoh, Waylay the great has finally chosen his mobo! A8N-SLI Premium. Well, I hope you won't have all the problem the A8N-SLI Deluxe have. On my side, I'll go for a DFI LANPARTY UT nF4 Ultra-D.


Yeah, if this damn board ever comes out...Hope that DFI goes well for you, it's a nice board. Expect some major overclocks out of it.
 

GuitarDaddy

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Originally posted by: cornholio2
Originally posted by: Waylay00
How's it working out?



I think San Diego really has a cold bug. It just shuts down and starts up again like nothing happens but everything seems fine aside formthat it shuts down. Everything is at AUTO and DEFAULT. Any comments on this weird problem? Or maybe it just needs a bios update? I'm using 1003.

What kind of phase are you running? What are your temps?
 

cornholio2

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Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
Originally posted by: cornholio2
Originally posted by: Waylay00
How's it working out?



I think San Diego really has a cold bug. It just shuts down and starts up again like nothing happens but everything seems fine aside formthat it shuts down. Everything is at AUTO and DEFAULT. Any comments on this weird problem? Or maybe it just needs a bios update? I'm using 1003.

What kind of phase are you running? What are your temps?



What do you mean by phase? Temps for mobo is 36 in idle and 38 when loaded. For the CPU 39 when idle and 47 loaded and at 1.5v and the memory sticks at 2.7 in AUTO mode.
I have a chasis fan running also facing the mobo.
 

Waylay00

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I think he's talking about phase change cooling. Sometimes the CPU temp is so low that the computer automatically shuts down because it thinks it is reading the temperature incorrectly (something along those lines) .
 

cornholio2

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Originally posted by: Waylay00
I think he's talking about phase change cooling. Sometimes the CPU temp is so low that the computer automatically shuts down because it thinks it is reading the temperature incorrectly (something along those lines) .



Oh! It's just running on air. Watercooling is expensive and sorta risky. So the San Diego really has a cold bug? But it still shuts down even if it's been running for hours.
 

rise

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the cold bug if it exists wouldn't apply to you, being on air.
 

cornholio2

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Originally posted by: rise4310
the cold bug if it exists wouldn't apply to you, being on air.

I guess the problem is this "Symtdi.sys", which is from Symantec. This is what the blue screen is giving me, conflict in IRQL.

I just e-mailed Symantec on how to get rid of their stupid bug.
 

Mari0Br0s

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Don't forget that Microsoft has bought some Synmantec actions, so it may sucks more than before! Use AntiVir Guard!
 

The Pentium Guy

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I'd recommend Kaspersky though ---> I heard it was by far THE most accurate antivirus checker (97.9% of viruses are caught.... or something along those lines) - but in return, it is THE most memory-hogging one. I scan in the middle of the night (Scheduled task) so that doesn't really bother me.
 

Devistater

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I use kaspersky and love it. And yes it picks up more than others. I tried AVG and it sucked in picking up stuff. It totally missed what I had.

As for the "cold bug" yes I've heard of it. I thought it only happened when you did LN2 (liquid nitrogen) cooling and got like -50C temps (or whatever the temps are from doing that) though. I also haven't heard of it in connection with specific motherboards, just a general thing that some ppl who were doing LN2 cooling came across.
 

cornholio2

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Originally posted by: Devistater
I use kaspersky and love it. And yes it picks up more than others. I tried AVG and it sucked in picking up stuff. It totally missed what I had.

As for the "cold bug" yes I've heard of it. I thought it only happened when you did LN2 (liquid nitrogen) cooling and got like -50C temps (or whatever the temps are from doing that) though. I also haven't heard of it in connection with specific motherboards, just a general thing that some ppl who were doing LN2 cooling came across.

Well, Symantec sucks because they still have no recommendations on what to do. Now I get this new alert, "OVERCLCK '-' is not a valid integer value". I get this alert even though all my setting is in AUTO and DEFAULT.

 

arswihart

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i think its so ironic that this is the very first nforce4 board ever announced, yet it still hasn't been released!!! go Asus!
 
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