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corsa

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napalm684...... see how ur case cools with the extra fans u plan on installing. Usually just leaving ur case side off will tell u alot about what temperature affect ur case is having.
I would replace that NF4 fan to the Zalman NB47J without hesitation as ur temps will drop.....the fan noise factor alone drove me crazy!! (just make sure u dont have any VGA card size issues)
Does ur desk allow air to escape out the back? if not....mod it!
Changing the stock HS fan should buy u 10C in cooling, get something considered high end...keep us posted.
 

sandeep108

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e30: No offense taken, no need for apology really...I know that you do try to help out in other forums as well.
 

dawza

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Napalm684-

Being that I am not sure where the 50C reading for your mobo is coming from, it is difficult to make any judgement as to the safety of that temperature. However, I cannot think of any component where I would actually be concerned with 50C, especially with a high ambient temp. Perhaps if my HDD were idling at 50C, I would take action, but I assume your HDD temps are not being mislabeled as motherboard temps.

To answer your question about whether you need an aftermarket CPU HSF- if you are hitting 54C at max, I would not be concerned. I would get worried if my processor went over 58C on full load, though, especially if I knew that my ambient temperatures were in danger of getting higher (not an uncommon thing this time of year ). Are you overclocking at all, and if so, how much? What case do you have?

If you do decide to go for an aftermarket CPU cooler, there are better choice, IMO, than Zalman. Nothing against the company, but their CPU heatsinks consistently show mediocre results, with the possible exception of the 9500. They make a hell of a VGA heatsink (VF-900), though.

I would strongly recommend that you look into alternative chipset cooling solutions, though. The newer revisions of the NB fan are better quality and run at lower RPMs, but there have been many reports of even the new fan dying. You have several choices with respect to aftermarket NB coolers, depending on how much you want to spend, how your airflow is, and whether video card clearance will be an issue.

1. Zalman NB-32/47J: Passive solid anodized aluminum heatsinks attached via pushpins, or in the case of the NB-32, you can use thermal epoxy (not recommended). These have been around for some time, and while they do an admirable job as far as passive non-heatpipe based cooling solutions are concerned, there have been reports that they cannot keep up with an NF4 in an overclocked system, unless there is some decent air blowing over/through the heatsink. I have seen temperature readings anywhere from 45C (where a fan was aimed at the heatsink) up to 80C+ in cases with undervolted fans and/or high OCs.

Some users have reported that sticking a 40x10 or 40x20mm fan running at a quiet/silent 5V to the top or side of the NB-32/47 heatsinks drastically dropped their NB temps (fan attached via double-sided tape or screws, or even zip ties). While this would not constitute true passive cooling if you went this route, you would have some peace of mind as you (a) could choose the fan you want to use, (b) easily replace the fan if necessary, and (c) would know that your chipset will probably not burn out (at least for a while, depending) should your fan fail. Call it partially passive if you will.

Video card clearance has been an issue with these coolers, though, as they are somewhat limited in their mounting flexibility, being solid blocks of aluminum and all. The NB-32 is les problematic due to its smaller size; in any event, it is often sufficient to simply bend a few pins to make room. Note that this tends to be a problem more often in systems running SLI with large video cards using large aftermarket (or monster-sized stock) coolers.

Cost: $5-7; 40x10mm fan $5-10


2. Zalman NBF-47: The latest passive solid aluminum NB cooler from Zalman- currently very new, so reviews are lacking. The one review I have come across found that it kept a Gigabyte Intel NF4 at 63C under full load; this was in contrast to the stock passive heatsink, which hit 89C under similar conditions. User reviews are sparse but should be increasing soon. Overall, looks to be a decent improvement over the NB-32 and 47 models, but more reviews are needed to make a final judgement.

Cost: $9-11


3. Chip Force heatpipe cooler: Supposedly one of, if not the best NB cooler out there. Designed to be flexible in mounting orientation, so that clearance should not be an issue. Comes with a 40mm fan, but you can probably get away with passive cooling given some airflow. Reviews claim 40-45C on load, from what I have read, which is VERY low for an NF4.

Cost: $30-35

4. Thermalright HR-05 heatpipe cooler: A larger heatpipe-based cooling solution that looks substantial enough to cool a CPU. Should have no problem handling any NF4, and can be installed in different orientations for clearance purposes. Few reviews, but all seem very promising. Temps similar to the Chip Force, but price is about half.

Cost: $17-20

5. A8N-SLI-Premium heatpipe: The heatpipe cooler that ASUS makes for the A8N-SLI-Premium motherboard is available for sale at the ASUS estore. This is compatible with the A8N and A8N-SLI/SLI-deluxe. ASUS claims that it keeps the NF4 at 70C under full load. From user reports, this seems accurate. Modifications can be made to lower the load temps by 5-10C, if desired. An ideal solution for those who need all the clearance they can get, as the chipset block is very low profile. While not necessarily as effective as active cooling, you will never have to worry about any fans dying ever again.

Be warned that if you use a case where your mobo is flipped upside-down (CPU is at the bottom, GPU and PCI slots are at the top), the A8N heatpipe has been reported to not work very well. I have no personal exerpience, but have read reports where the chipset was not too happy with an inverted mobo; then again, there are people who claim it made no difference whatsoever. Even though heatpipes are supposed to work in varying orientations, this may or may not be a real issue. I believe ASUS recommends against inverting the heatpipe, though.

Cost: $15


There are a handful of other miscellaneous NB coolers out there, but these five are most commonly used for the A8N boards. I personally went with the heatpipe, and am very happy with it. Temps have never exceeded 58C under full load with an FSB of 250, in a case with undervolted fans, thanks to a few simple modifications.

The NF4 chipset is, I believe, rated for up to 90C. Whether this is continuous operation or peak, I am not sure. It is possible you might begin to experience adverse effects at >70-75C.

All of the above require mobo removal, so before you make the jump, be sure that you will be happy with your cooler, unless you really enjoy taking the mobo out repeatedly.
 

napalm684

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Wow thank you guys for all the awesome help. dawza you just saved me some major research but I do have a question for ya, Where exactly did you find those temp figures for the Nforce 4? I could not find those anywhere on the net. Also I didn't mention earlier but my vid card is ATI X800XL so does that passive HS have size issues with that card? Oh and another also...my tower is the Aspire XDREAMER II found here So I do not know really if anyone has had airflow issues with that case. But in all honesty I am thinking of changing cases anyway as this one is a pain to work with and it wasn't that shade of green when I got it either. In addition its always gotten hot in summer more than I would care for it to, but not as high as it has this summer with this peice of crap replacement fan ASUS provided. Also another question corsa how would you propose modding my case to work in the desk area I have or did you mean modding the desk?

To illustrate see this crappy diagram (note I said the side fan was exhaust its actually intake but I was to lazy to change it): Diagram

Last but not least, so you guys don't think I'm a complete idiot ;-) but I did call ASUS on this and they said the max temp for their board was 55C. That doesn't sound quite right to me as I know my processor is rated up to like 70C. What's the deal there? Another average "we read off the screen" or make stuff up tech support group? Oh finally no overclocking for me either these are stock settings generating these temps.
 

FreedomGUNDAM

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Is anyone using the Powercolor Theatre 550 PCIe TV tuner card with their A8N-E? Will it fit?

My friend tried to install it on his ECS Nforce4-A754 mobo and the NF4 HSF is too tall. The tuner card won't fit.
 

dawza

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Temp specs from ASUS for the NF4 and the A8N-SLI-Premium heatpipe:

Link

I am not familiar with the X800XL, but it does not appear to be too long, and most people who have had issues with GPU clearance were running SLI and/or had aftermarket GPU coolers that took up more space than the flat reference cooler (I am assuming you have the stock cooler on your video card). Any of the chipset heatsinks I listed should be compatible, and if you went with the Zalman NB-32/47 and found that a few of the heatsink's fins were interfering, it would be a simple enough task to bend the fins out of the way. The other heatsinks are either lower in profile or have multiple mounting orientations, and therefore should present no interference.

Your case looks like it should be cooling at least decently. The front intake seems very restricted, but considering that you have a side intake and a 120mm rear exhaust, your CPU should at least be receiving adequate fresh air.

I should note that I cut a 120mm hole into my side panel for use as a passive intake; this lowered my CPU temps by about 4C on load. When I strapped on a low RPM 120mm fan, I was able to lower CPU temps by another 1-2C, but my mobo temps actually increased 2-3C. I still have no idea why this happened.

I wonder why ASUS would tell you that the max mobo temp was 55C without specifying which component(s) shoud be kept under that temperature. If they meant case ambient, well hell yes it should be under 55C, although I can't fathom how one could achieve such a high case air temp short of intentionally sealing off all airflow and covering the case with foam.

I am willing to bet that your higher than average temps are directly related to your environment. High room temps, combined with close proximity to another heat-producing source (the other computer) in a tight space is hardly optimal. Still, I see nothing pressing that needs your attention, temperature-wise.

Now I am really curious as to where the mobo is taking the 55C temp reading from.


Edit: Here is a link to the ASUS e-store in case you were looking to purchase the A8N-Premium heatpipe: e-store
 

napalm684

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Jun 18, 2006
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Hey thanks again there dawza I greatly appreciate the help from you and everyone else. I'll keep you guys posted when I get my new fans and stuff in (should be here tomorrow according to UPS tracking).
 

Lotacatz

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Fellow a8n-e owners. Glad I found such a specific thread.

New homebuilt. Everything seems to be working well and device manager happy with
everything. No conflicts noted. Not a single yellow goodie.

The darn onboard LAN. On boot I get "Lan Cable Fail". And I get "Please check the LAN
cable has been connected to onboard LAN correctly". Can't configure anything really, tho
it's tried..it just doesn't have a connection.

I'm not very good at this...but correct cable is plugged...I try thru the router sometimes
and directly into the modem. This modem is working well with this computer...the router does it's wireless thing well...I disconnect this computer and hook the new one directly to the modem.

My net knowledge is limited. I know this mobo has given others some grief concerning the on board LAN. I have an XP 64 friendly NIC on the way..but I'm very curious why this can't work.:brokenheart:

Probably something simple. I'll worry about networking it when I just simply get it
online...just thru the modem for starters then go from there.


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Enermax CS-718 case -460 watt PSU

A8N-E

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ Manchester 2000MHz HT 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket 939 Dual Core

Processor.

eVGA 512-P2-N575-AX Geforce 7900GTX 512MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16

Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy2 ZS Platinum Pro
encompassing 7.1 surround sound for Dolby Digital.


KVR400X64C3AK2/2GB Quantity 2 of Kingston ValueRAM 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR 400 PC3200

Seagate 7200.9 400Gb with 3.AAH Firmware
 

sandeep108

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No problem really with the onboard NIC LAN. Just problems with nVidia AA/firewall drivers. Try another cable and see.
 

hewho

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Feb 24, 2006
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Building a new rig on the A8N-e with the following spec. :
Cpu AMD Opteron 148
HSF Scythe Ninja Plus
MB Asus A8N e
Ram PDP 2x512 XBLK SPD 2,2,2,5
VC SAPPHIRE X800GTO 128M
Case COOLER MASTER Centurion 5 CAC-T05-UW
PS ENERMAX | ELT400AWT 400W
Monitor Dell 1907fp
HD Samsung 160G HD160JJ
Samsung 250G SP2504C
DVD ASUS DRW-1608P2S
Plextor PX712A
KB&M Logictech MX3000
OS WinXp Sp2


Advise on the best set of drivers to use pls..

Thanks,
JT
 

blurp

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Originally posted by: hewho
Building a new rig on the A8N-e with the following spec. :
Cpu AMD Opteron 148
HSF Scythe Ninja Plus
MB Asus A8N e
Ram PDP 2x512 XBLK SPD 2,2,2,5
VC SAPPHIRE X800GTO 128M
Case COOLER MASTER Centurion 5 CAC-T05-UW
PS ENERMAX | ELT400AWT 400W
Monitor Dell 1907fp
HD Samsung 160G HD160JJ
Samsung 250G SP2504C
DVD ASUS DRW-1608P2S
Plextor PX712A
KB&M Logictech MX3000
OS WinXp Sp2


Advise on the best set of drivers to use pls..

Thanks,
JT

nForce 6.7 without nvidia ide drivers and without nvidia firewall. Works perfect for me.
 

sandeep108

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6.70 (do NOT use any older version) with nVidia ide and ncq, but without nVidia firewall. You can always try out the ide drivers and if you have problems uninstall them. I also use the HD160JJ - quite a nice drive.
 

sandeep108

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I am using 1006. Since all is working properly, have not bothered to update to 1010 or 1013. However, I believe most people are happy with 1010/1013.
 

hewho

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Understood that nVidia firewall is NONO,
IDE drivers are MAYBE,
what about NAM ?

Did a clean XP install, installed 6.7 chipset driver without the IDE driver.
Everything seems to work fine, except there is an Unknow Device listed in
Device Manager. Under its property detail, it is listed as ACPI\ATK0110\1010110.
It was not there with the drivers of the CD.
What could it be ?


JT
 

blurp

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Originally posted by: hewho
Understood that nVidia firewall is NONO,
IDE drivers are MAYBE,
what about NAM ?

Did a clean XP install, installed 6.7 chipset driver without the IDE driver.
Everything seems to work fine, except there is an Unknow Device listed in
Device Manager. Under its property detail, it is listed as ACPI\ATK0110\1010110.
It was not there with the drivers of the CD.
What could it be ?


JT


Nam is in the same bag as nVidia firewall. ;-)
 

sandeep108

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Under its property detail, it is listed as ACPI\ATK0110\1010110.
Search this thread... It IS there on the CD. Just simply insert the CD after XP has finished booting. It will find the driver and install itself and the yellow exclamation will disappear.
 

hewho

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Loaded chipset driver from CD, then updated to 6.7 .
All is well !!!
Thanks for all the help.

Tracked down the Unknow Device to one ATK/ACPI Utility thingy under
system devices.
Anyone knowns what it is for ?
Wonder why 6.7 did not load a driver for it ?

Thanks
JT
 

wwswimming

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if this was a crappy board, there wouldn't be this many posts.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131530

$90

great board for under $100 that OC's well ?

i don't know if i should mention the Asus P5GD, this being an AMD MB thread.
that was their cheaper board that was faster than the high-end model, the P5AD,
in late 2004 early 2005.

similar thing happened with the MSI 865, it was faster, and cheaper, than the MSI 875.
back around 2003.

please don't flame me too much for asking a noobie question, why do people like
the A8N-E so much ? (set flame-throwers on "medium")
 

ProviaFan

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Originally posted by: wwswimming
please don't flame me too much for asking a noobie question, why do people like
the A8N-E so much ? (set flame-throwers on "medium")
Why did I chose the A8N-E? That's a good question, which must be prefaced by the fact that if I were buying today I would pick something else (actually, I'd wait a month or so, but that's irrelevant). Anyway, at the time, the A8N-E was a fairly affordable board in the midrange segment that had all of the features I wanted without any extra fluff.

Note that when I was buying the parts for my X2 system, the X2 itself was yet a few weeks from general availability, and reports of compatibility were limited and unreliable. At the time, I was intent on getting a DFI mainboard for various reasons that I can't remember now, but upon visiting their "legendary" support forums, I was quickly turned off of that idea by the very rude and unprofessional moderators. Needless to say, when it became clear that the A8N-E would boot with an X2 on an unsupported BIOS (which all A8N-E's were shipped with at that time), albeit with only one core, my choice became obvious.

With all of that said, I've not had any major or insurmountable problems with the A8N-E-based system since then, and have no regrets about my decision to buy one.
 

corsa

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Why did I choose A8N-E ?
At the time didnt know too much about building a pc, but I did know Asus made very good Intel boards. For me it was either this or an MSI Neo4, a company getting good reviews at the time.....strangley I didnt find one on the A8N-E, and still today have only seen the 1! So it wasnt a descision based on reviews, more a friends advice and the name they have built for themselves for reliability and such. After purchasing the only thing that really bugged me was the chipset fan noise, drove me nuts'
Only issues i've had have been created from unstable OC....which is where all curruptions have arisen, and led to reinstalls and such.....biggest thing with most peoples issues IMO
Currently running 1.45v@2.5MHz RAM 2.85v @1:1 2T very stable, no more more bottlenecks, couldnt ask for much more with what I have.
 

DaisyF

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Jul 9, 2006
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Hi all,
I have been visiting off and on since I discovered this thread. It has proven to be really usefull.

I now have a problem and need help with a test.

I have a wireless USB keyboard and I want to use it to wake up my pc after it has been in standby-mode.

As you know, the bios has a wake-up option so you can set space or ctrl+esc as the wake-up key. I use ctrl-esc since my cats haven't learnt yet to press two keys at once.

Problem is, I can only wake the pc with my keyboard if it has only been in sleepmode for a minute or so. If I wait any longer, the pc doesn't react to my keyboard and I need to use my powerbutton on the case to power up.

I think it has to do with power disruption to usb during standby or my wireless receiver going to sleep after more then a minute of inactivity (or combination of both).

So, is there anyone reading this who has a wireless usb keyboard who uses it to power up after standby ?

Thanks in advance

DaisyF
 

StanFL

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DaisyF,

FWIW my wireless keyboard wakes my A8N-E from StandBy with no problems but it is PS2, not USB. It's even going thru a KVM switch too.

Off the top of my head, two things that might help you; get a USB to PS2 adapter for your keyboard. Or, see if your power switch on the case will wake the PC from StandBy.
 

DaisyF

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Jul 9, 2006
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Well StanFL

My powerswitch does wake the pc, so I have no problem actually waking it up.

Concerning my keyboard I should have been more clear. I use one receiver for both Microsoft mouse (Intellimouse) and Keyboard (Desktop Elite). The receiver connects to the pc using a ps2 connector for keyboard and usb for mouse (and power).

But your answer made me think an now I have experimented with an old ps2 keyboard. So far wake-up is without problem. Which made me think the usb-power got cut during standby but ... On the receiver there are status leds which oddly stay lit during standby. I have also plugged the usbconnector into an external usb-hub with its own power-supply but still, it doesn't work.

Really strange

Thanks for responding

DaisyF
 

StanFL

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Daisy,

Some pertinent info is here; http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb;en-us;266283. Naturally MS blames it on the mobo manufacturers (or bios). I don't recall if any of Asus bios updates fixed S3 issues but I have the latest (1013) on my mobo. Since your board wakes fine with a regular PS2 keyboard I'm less inclined to think it's a bios problem.

Who knows? /shrug. You could always kill the cats. I kid, I kid!
 
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