Question Asus mobos burning x3D CpuS?

[H433x0n]

Dude not even Intel chips use that much power. Get a grip. If you pushed 400W through a 13900k it would annihilate the package. Plus you're not even comparing like-to-like when it comes to power density, etc. You'll notice that only small portions of the AM5 socket/pinouts were smoked on the failing ASUS boards.

That’s actually not true but it’s irrelevant for this conversation. It would absolutely handle 400W without issues. Not saying it’s a good thing to be so power hungry but I guess that’s a positive side effect.

 

[Puffnstuff]

AMD is notorious for not giving board partners good information and being lazy with AGESA updates. After 3 years on x570 I had enough of it and went to Z790.

I now have a 5950x and 5900x laying around collecting dust and I wouldn't give that board to anyone to use in anything they cared about.

 

[aigomorla]

That’s actually not true but it’s irrelevant for this conversation. It would absolutely handle 400W without issues. Not saying it’s a good thing to be so power hungry but I guess that’s a positive side effect.

Ryzen uses LGA socket 1718.

AMD Ryzen 7000: availability, specs, and performance | Digital Trends

AMD Ryzen 7000 processors are here, and the range will soon expand to include 3D V-Cache and mobile chips. Here's everything you need to know about Zen 4.

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You NEED a EYPC Socket for 400W.

AMD EPYC 9664 Is The Flagship Zen 4 "Genoa" CPU - Dominating Intel's Xeon With 96 Cores, 192 Threads, 480 MB Cache, 3.8 GHz Clocks, 400W TDP

AMD EPYC 9664 will be the flagship CPU of the Genoa Server CPU family, offering up to 96 Zen 4 cores, 480 MB cache and a 400W TDP.

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SO no.
Lets please END this discussion about LGA1716 can handle 400W.
When AMD has a socket which does 400W, and its NOT a Ryzen 7000 series socket.

 

[A///]

Santa needs to reign in on his little helper.

 

[H433x0n]

Ryzen uses LGA socket 1718.

AMD Ryzen 7000: availability, specs, and performance | Digital Trends

AMD Ryzen 7000 processors are here, and the range will soon expand to include 3D V-Cache and mobile chips. Here's everything you need to know about Zen 4.

www.digitaltrends.com

You NEED a EYPC Socket for 400W.

AMD EPYC 9664 Is The Flagship Zen 4 "Genoa" CPU - Dominating Intel's Xeon With 96 Cores, 192 Threads, 480 MB Cache, 3.8 GHz Clocks, 400W TDP

AMD EPYC 9664 will be the flagship CPU of the Genoa Server CPU family, offering up to 96 Zen 4 cores, 480 MB cache and a 400W TDP.

wccftech.com

SO no.
Lets please END this discussion about LGA1716 can handle 400W.
When AMD has a socket which does 400W, and its NOT a Ryzen 7000 series socket.

I was talking about the 13900K handling 400W. Basically every overclocker in existence has done this.

There are Sapphire Rapids CPUs overclocked pulling 1900 watts. I know the socket is more than double the size but that’s more than triple it’s rated package power. The margin for error on any of these CPUs is massive.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Asus’ X670 OCP is just copy/pasted from their Z690 boards, which is why it’s calibrated so high.

 

[aigomorla]

I was talking about the 13900K handling 400W. Basically every overclocker in existence has done this.

NO.... where do you see 400W without LN2?
This is THOUGH the Socket.
AGAIN...

LGA1700 which is 13000 series CAN NOT HANDLE that many watts.
You need to go up to LGA4677 for 400W stable like Golden Cover, and Sapphire Rapids.

Intel Launches New Xeons With Up to 56 Cores, 400W TDP

Intel has launched its new Cascade Lake Xeon family, including CPUs with up to 56 cores and 112 threads.

www.extremetech.com

So AGAIN...
The next person to claim a consumer based CPU can handle 400W, show your proof.

 

[H433x0n]

NO.... where do you see 400W without LN2?
This is THOUGH the Socket.
AGAIN...

LGA1700 which is 13000 series CAN NOT HANDLE that many watts.
You need to go up to LGA4677 for 400W stable like Golden Cover, and Sapphire Rapids.

Intel Launches New Xeons With Up to 56 Cores, 400W TDP

Intel has launched its new Cascade Lake Xeon family, including CPUs with up to 56 cores and 112 threads.

www.extremetech.com

So AGAIN...
The next person to claim a consumer based CPU can handle 400W, show your proof.

You can’t cool 400W on standard liquid. If you could theoretically cool it though it’s not going to detonate itself at 400W. I wouldn’t recommend keeping it at that power draw forever but I know people running their system daily at unlimited PL2 and pulling 350W on a custom loop.

Here’s LTT being wreckless pulling 480-510W out of the socket multiple times.

 

[A///]

I also love to live in a la la land where people can run 400 watts through a normal not higher end board not using ln2.

 

[H433x0n]

I also love to live in a la la land where people can run 400 watts through a normal not higher end board not using ln2.

I mean, do you think the video is faked? They ship pulling 300W (if cooling allows) on any Z790 board since motherboard vendors are wreckless. Is it really that big of a stretch when Joe Schmoe can buy a strix board and pull 320W?

Anyway, enough derailing. I probably should've kept my mouth shut.

 

[A///]

I mean, do you think the video is faked? They ship pulling 300W (if cooling allows) on any Z790 board since motherboard vendors are wreckless. Is it really that big of a stretch when Joe Schmoe can buy a strix board and pull 320W?

Anyway, enough derailing. I probably should've kept my mouth shut.

350 with enough cooler is fine, but at 400 watts you're putting stress there that shouldn't be there. Fine in small amounts but not for extended daily use. Most joe schmoe's are not buying a 350usd+ mobo....

 

[aigomorla]

Here’s LTT being wreckless pulling 480-510W out of the socket multiple times.

*face palm*

You failed to note the 2000W Chiller thats connected to it that even requires a 240V dedicated outlet.
From here:

 

[H433x0n]

350 with enough cooler is fine, but at 400 watts you're putting stress there that shouldn't be there. Fine in small amounts but not for extended daily use. Most joe schmoe's are not buying a 350usd+ mobo....

Well in an ideal world a 13900K doesn't pull more than 200W

You could probably run it for a few years at >=400W. The VRM's themselves on any Strix/Aorus type board can handle 400+ amps of current, they've got the heatsinks to handle the inefficiencies of it (as long as it's not running for hours at a time). I'd be more worried about the LGA1700 socket than I would the motherboard's ability to deliver the juice.

*face palm*

You failed to note the 2000W Chiller thats connected to it.

Yeah, there's no shot it's possible to be cooled at 400W+ with an AIO. It'd thermal throttle itself and never get there. What I'm saying is the actual socket / CPU has the capability to handle it (and more).

2nd edit: The only reason I interjected was because of this original post below that I knew was not the case. I'll butt out of the conversation now.

Dude not even Intel chips use that much power. Get a grip. If you pushed 400W through a 13900k it would annihilate the package.

 

[aigomorla]

What I'm saying is the actual socket / CPU has the capability to handle it (and more).

With a 2000W CHILLER @ sub Ambient.
You know how silly you sound at the moment?

OK im done with this.

 

[A///]

With a 2000W CHILLER @ sub Ambient.
You know how silly you sound at the moment?

OK im done with this.

I'm quite convinced I'm being trolled at this point.

 

[aigomorla]

I love intel... but not enough to give them a 2000W chiller advantage over AMD.

:T

 

[Abwx]

That’s actually not true but it’s irrelevant for this conversation. It would absolutely handle 400W without issues. Not saying it’s a good thing to be so power hungry but I guess that’s a positive side effect.

It wouldnt, because at stock and with the same cooler it run as hot as a 7950X, the 13900KS run hotter...

Intel Core i9-13900KS mit 6,0 GHz im Test

Der Core i9-13900KS ist der erste Intel-Prozessor mit bis zu 6,0 GHz ab Werk. Die dritte Special Edition in Anwendungen und Spielen im Test.

www.computerbase.de

Edit : Scroll to the bottom of the page, there s temps with air cooler and AIO.

 

[A///]

I love intel... but not enough to give them a 2000W chiller advantage over AMD.

:T

I wonder if I could make a body suit out of the tubing in thin line and wear it running the chiller during a heatwave if we ever get one. that a nice cold beer, some snacks. do you remember when chilled bed sheets and covers were a rich man's trend in the 90s?

 

[H433x0n]

With a 2000W CHILLER @ sub Ambient.
You know how silly you sound at the moment?

OK im done with this.

I was just arguing that the LGA1700 socket and the CPU itself can handle 400W without grenading itself (so could AM5, although not indefinitely obviously). There's probably 10's of thousands of Zen 4 CPUs right now getting hit with 400W on power-on reset and have hundreds of times without blowing up.

It wouldnt, because at stock and with the same cooler it run hotter than say a 7950X.

That's not what I'm saying, at all.

I'm being misinterpreted, all I'm trying to say is that 400W != instant death.

 

[aigomorla]

do you remember when chilled bed sheets and covers were a rich man's trend in the 90s?

I remember watching these on infomercials late late at night when i was studying and we didn't have streaming, so you were at the mercy of the cable company and the late night paid broadcasts.

BedJet 3 Climate Comfort Sleep System

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lol... i almost bought one... but then realized how stupid it is.

I was just arguing that the LGA1700 socket and the CPU itself can handle 400W without grenading itself (so could AM5, although not indefinitely obviously).

Sorry but i don't think you understand how material science works.
When you have a chiller pushing temps below ambient and even more, you get something called greater efficiency on the chip.
That means you can achieve higher overclocks.

Also a 2000W chiller is on the same level of DryIce Benching, and if its a cascade system which i think it is, its a little worse then LN2.
So sure, you can dump 400W on a socket because the chiller is keeping everything cold and preventing HEAT from melting the socket.
Even AM4 could handle 400W if you threw on a 2000W chiller.

But again...
Do you know how funny you sound trying to defend Intel using a 2000W chiller as a safety net?

BTW i probably have way more hours and experience then Linus using Chillers.
I used to run phase and water chillers 24/7 when power was cheap.

 

[H433x0n]

Intel Core i9-13900KS mit 6,0 GHz im Test

Der Core i9-13900KS ist der erste Intel-Prozessor mit bis zu 6,0 GHz ab Werk. Die dritte Special Edition in Anwendungen und Spielen im Test.

www.computerbase.de

Edit : Scroll to the bottom of the page, there s temps with air cooler and AIO.

That's irrelevant though since I'm not even advocating for running a 13900K at anything more than 253W. I'm trying to say a modern CPU with a midrange board is not going to instantly grenade at 400W, that is literally all I'm trying to say. I'm not trying to argue performance or which is better. I'm saying the CPU/Sockets are not as fragile as one would assume. They ship with 50%+ safety margin on an enthusiast motherboard.

Also a 2000W chiller is on the same level of DryIce Benching, and if its a cascade system which i think it is, its a little worse then LN2.
So sure, you can dump 400W on a socket because the chiller is keeping everything cold and preventing HEAT from melting the socket.
Even AM4 could handle 400W if you threw on a 2000W chiller.

I'm fully aware that the efficiency changes. It's a matter of temperature, a CPU can fail at 50W if it's not attached to a heatspreader. I'm saying that there's much more headroom than you're assuming before a catastrophic failure. A momentary pulse for power-on reset at the levels Asus is pushing is not going to create a catastrophic failure.

How do you think this stuff is QA tested? I'm so tempted to leak some internal documents but I don't want to be that guy getting in trouble for arguments on an internet forum. There’s accelerated age testing that’ll make your jaw drop.

 

[aigomorla]

OK...

GUYS PSA:
OFFICAL ANNOUNCEMENT:

YOU ARE ALLOWED TO RUN YOUR vSOC @ 1.7V ONLY IF YOU HAVE A 2000W CASCADE CHILLER.
Or an Endless supply of LN2.

*sigh*...

 

[IEC]

Are we really having this discussion?

Push 300A through VCCSA and you'll have a BBQ'd chip. That would be similar to what is happening here with the AM5 chips. Sure you can push a crap ton of amperage through parts of the CPU designed for it as long as you have the cooling - but not through the more sensitive bits.

 

[H433x0n]

OK...

GUYS PSA:
OFFICAL ANNOUNCEMENT:

YOU ARE ALLOWED TO RUN YOUR vSOC @ 1.7V ONLY IF YOU HAVE A 2000W CASCADE CHILLER.
Or an Endless supply of LN2.

*sigh*...

There's parts of the core that will run 130 *C or more momentarily, even when a 3rd party tool like HwInfo shows 100 *C package power. The data you can see from public facing registers are not representative of how hot the processor is running. That 100 *C tjmax is essentially an arbitrary value based on a best guess of what the CPU can run non-stop within the warranty period + 25%. To find that value, the CPU will be subjected to up to 100% above that published tjmax value for hours/days/weeks at a time.

But sure, I'm going to install a liquid chiller in my room so I can run my 13900K at 400W! That's totally what I'm arguing for in good faith.

 

[TheELF]

Good grief, here we go again with the "well it doesn't work like Intel so it must be crap!" sputum. It is entirely possible for different types of chips to behave differently in regards to voltage. And let's not pretend that there aren't 8 Intel 13900K CPUs out there that experienced premature failure, even at stock settings. Sure they may not have done so in a "flashy" way, but they are out there.

Yes, here we go again with someone pretending that a CPU exploding is just as good as a CPU shutting down to protect itself....

Dude not even Intel chips use that much power. Get a grip. If you pushed 400W through a 13900k it would annihilate the package. Plus you're not even comparing like-to-like when it comes to power density, etc. You'll notice that only small portions of the AM5 socket/pinouts were smoked on the failing ASUS boards.

They don't use that much power because they will automatically throttle down to only the maximum of what they can handle, they won't go up to something that will fry them and the board they are on.

OK...

GUYS PSA:
OFFICAL ANNOUNCEMENT:

YOU ARE ALLOWED TO RUN YOUR vSOC @ 1.7V ONLY IF YOU HAVE A 2000W CASCADE CHILLER.
Or an Endless supply of LN2.

*sigh*...

Yeah, that's what this guy is doing with a normal liquid cooler, and you could do this with an air cooler as well, the only difference is the clocks it will get, the cheaper the cooler the fewer clocks.

 

[coercitiv]

What a disaster of mythical proportions! Gigabyte BIOS, the latest version, is still a minefield:

• to manually set VSOC the user needs to enter the same value in two different menu locations
• when altering DRAM voltage to high values, VSOC erroneously goes to 1.35V and even 1.4V !?!?

Relevant quote from Buildzoid:

I really appreciate when the motherboard just changes my settings for me, without telling me.

It's the same behavior as the one I highlighted yesterday on the Z690 board from MSI. User input can potentially trigger automated changes by the BIOS that the user is not aware of. It's frustrating, and in this case, dangerous.