Question Asus mobos burning x3D CpuS?

[CP5670]

Do you use all the features of the expensive boards, or could you have opted for ones with less?

I chose the ASRock X670E PRO BS because it was low cost, had the features I needed and I have a sound card.

I‘m just wondering, as I don’t suspect there’s any evidence that the most expensive ones are the most stable/durable?

If anything it seems the opposite. The higher end models have more issues and the extra features on them don't always work smoothly. The MSI X670E Tomahawk has pretty good ratings while the higher end Carbon and Ace models have many reports of issues with PCIE dropping out and other things.

I have had numerous Asus boards in the past and some Abit and DFI too, but my last few were all MSI. Once you get used to one brand's BIOS and windows apps, it's easier to just stick with them. The MSI X670E lineup uses Realtek network chips instead of Intel ones that reportedly have issues. All of the major brands have been guilty of auto-OC overvolting in the past, Asus is not alone there. I do think the Intel platforms are more robust than AMD ones, and that applies to all the motherboard brands. All the AMD platforms I've used felt cutting edge but had a bunch of little issues, while the Intel ones were rock solid, and the X670E follows that trend.

 

[YBS1]

Jayztwocents video (at 14:05) said that Asrock used to be the 'avoid at all costs brand', when was that because I can't recall now, all I remember now was their thin pcbs used to have alot of flex. MSI used to have poorly rated vrms and got lambasted for it and now they seem to have the best vrms especially on their budget models.

I don't recall ASRock ever being an 'avoid at all costs brand', they were at one time an almost exclusively budget oriented brand and the products had features and specs that reflected that but compared equally with other vendors products in that price range. ASRock has been my favored mainboard vendor for a while, partially because they seem to usually have really great ITX offerings (I mean come on, they even had a mini-itx X99 board). I almost certainly would have went with the Taichi Carrara this time had I bought a 7950X. I went Asus for the 7950X3D simply because of it being a more "locked down" cpu, Asus has always been the brand most likely to 'bend the rules' to slide in something to potentially work around such things. What I'd really like is Abit or Foxconn to still be around.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I went Asus for the 7950X3D simply because of it being a more "locked down" cpu, Asus has always been the brand most likely to 'bend the rules' to slide in something to potentially work around such things.

You have a cool Creator model. Have you tried tuning it for max performance in any way, like using Ryzen Master or ASUS's own AI Tweaker?

 

[YBS1]

I mean I'm not running it at defaults, but I haven't been concerned with trying to extract the best out of it yet with the current BIOS issues. I assembled it literally a day or two before all this news broke and it seemed kind of pointless with new BIOS versions coming weekly. EXPO is enabled along with manually set voltages and timings. Still on the 1401 BIOS though 1202 performed better and I may flash back to that, I don't really want to go to 1410 since it was already known a newer AGESA version than 1.0.0.7 was in the pipe. I'm not overly concerned with my cpu/board grenading themselves. At this point it's almost comical just reading all the comments and how paranoid a lot of users are, I'm not sure most of the reddit crowd is up for DIY pc builds. "dO yOu ThInK i ShOuLd RmA mY cPu DuE tO dEgRaDaTiOn?" Is it currently working fine? Then leave it tf alone and don't worry about it. I mean you saw how hard GN had to work in the video with the intention of failure, most people are going to be fine. That of course doesn't excuse the oversights and deflections (some accidental and some maybe intentional) on the part of AMD and the board partners.

 

[biostud]

If anything it seems the opposite. The higher end models have more issues and the extra features on them don't always work smoothly. The MSI X670E Tomahawk has pretty good ratings while the higher end Carbon and Ace models have many reports of issues with PCIE dropping out and other things.

I have had numerous Asus boards in the past and some Abit and DFI too, but my last few were all MSI. Once you get used to one brand's BIOS and windows apps, it's easier to just stick with them. The MSI X670E lineup uses Realtek network chips instead of Intel ones that reportedly have issues. All of the major brands have been guilty of auto-OC overvolting in the past, Asus is not alone there. I do think the Intel platforms are more robust than AMD ones, and that applies to all the motherboard brands. All the AMD platforms I've used felt cutting edge but had a bunch of little issues, while the Intel ones were rock solid, and the X670E follows that trend.

I've had ABIT, DFI, Gigabyte, MSI and ASRock , and none have had problems that have been brand specific as far as I remember.

 

[A///]

If anything it seems the opposite. The higher end models have more issues and the extra features on them don't always work smoothly. The MSI X670E Tomahawk has pretty good ratings while the higher end Carbon and Ace models have many reports of issues with PCIE dropping out and other things.

I have had numerous Asus boards in the past and some Abit and DFI too, but my last few were all MSI. Once you get used to one brand's BIOS and windows apps, it's easier to just stick with them. The MSI X670E lineup uses Realtek network chips instead of Intel ones that reportedly have issues. All of the major brands have been guilty of auto-OC overvolting in the past, Asus is not alone there. I do think the Intel platforms are more robust than AMD ones, and that applies to all the motherboard brands. All the AMD platforms I've used felt cutting edge but had a bunch of little issues, while the Intel ones were rock solid, and the X670E follows that trend.

look @ mobos like luxury cars, more fancy features the higher chance of something breaking. that's my opinion of the fancy boards.

intel boards being more robust than amd is nothing new. amd could be busting their arse and outselling everything of intel 5 to 1 and the quality of their hardware by the aibs would still be like it is now because they don't care enough. it's got nothing to do with intel money bribes. this has always been the case for amd unfortunately. idk whether it's partly due to amd not giving full documentation or because amd often pushes out bleeding edge tech with each chipset. i've been scouring the internet for any incident like this affecting intel processors on raptor lake but i haven't found anything. that's not to say asus hasn't messed up intel hardware before.

 

[IEC]

look @ mobos like luxury cars, more fancy features the higher chance of something breaking. that's my opinion of the fancy boards.

intel boards being more robust than amd is nothing new. amd could be busting their arse and outselling everything of intel 5 to 1 and the quality of their hardware by the aibs would still be like it is now because they don't care enough. it's got nothing to do with intel money bribes. this has always been the case for amd unfortunately. idk whether it's partly due to amd not giving full documentation or because amd often pushes out bleeding edge tech with each chipset. i've been scouring the internet for any incident like this affecting intel processors on raptor lake but i haven't found anything. that's not to say asus hasn't messed up intel hardware before.

There was one on Z690... which literally caused boards to burn out.

CPSC Recall Info:

ASUS Computer International Recalls ASUS ROG Maximus Z690 Hero Motherboards Due to Fire and Burn Hazards

Consumers should immediately stop using the recalled motherboard and visit https://www.asus.com/us/site/recalls for instruction on how to return the product for a free replacement, including shipping.

www.cpsc.gov

Buildzoid identified a capacitor installed backward:

Roughly 10K boards were affected.

I'm sure there are smaller batches of bad QC that get out that never get recalled out there, if you look hard enough. No one is immune to bad design, bad components (remember the electrolytic cap fiasco decades ago?) or bad QC.

 

[A///]

There was one on Z690... which literally caused boards to burn out.

CPSC Recall Info:

ASUS Computer International Recalls ASUS ROG Maximus Z690 Hero Motherboards Due to Fire and Burn Hazards

Consumers should immediately stop using the recalled motherboard and visit https://www.asus.com/us/site/recalls for instruction on how to return the product for a free replacement, including shipping.

www.cpsc.gov

Buildzoid identified a capacitor installed backward:

Roughly 10K boards were affected.

I'm sure there are smaller batches of bad QC that get out that never get recalled out there, if you look hard enough. No one is immune to bad design, bad components (remember the electrolytic cap fiasco decades ago?) or bad QC.

yeah that's why I said

"that's not to say asus hasn't messed up intel hardware before."

I knew id read something about it but was not entirely sure which generation it was and too lazy to look it up. the caps fiasco as i remember it being was due to bad formulation because it was stolen from another company i got a bad board at the beginning of that fiasco that was a fire hazard. I only built three computers at that time and the first one I mentioned was a prebuilt with decent specs I got on sale. I don't remember what asus quality was like in the 2000s but like I said yesterday they began using elite group for their manufacturing a decade ago. elite group has made some terrible boards in the past. no idea who msi or gigabyte or asrock use.

the 10k boards were the total of that model sold or 10K out of a few hundred thousand?

 

[AdamK47]

Jayztwocents video (at 14:05) said that Asrock used to be the 'avoid at all costs brand', when was that because I can't recall now, all I remember now was their thin pcbs used to have alot of flex. MSI used to have poorly rated vrms and got lambasted for it and now they seem to have the best vrms especially on their budget models.

The ASRock X79 Extreme11 was a great board. The most memorable motherboard I've ever owned and I've owned many. Built probably the pinnacle of overkill with that thing.

 

[CP5670]

In the 2000s, Asus supposedly had better stability and reliability, while MSI and DFI had better OC features and also more issues and quirks. Asrock used to be Asus's off-label budget brand but now seems to be superior to Asus.

look @ mobos like luxury cars, more fancy features the higher chance of something breaking. that's my opinion of the fancy boards.

intel boards being more robust than amd is nothing new. amd could be busting their arse and outselling everything of intel 5 to 1 and the quality of their hardware by the aibs would still be like it is now because they don't care enough. it's got nothing to do with intel money bribes. this has always been the case for amd unfortunately. idk whether it's partly due to amd not giving full documentation or because amd often pushes out bleeding edge tech with each chipset. i've been scouring the internet for any incident like this affecting intel processors on raptor lake but i haven't found anything. that's not to say asus hasn't messed up intel hardware before.

It helps that Intel makes their own network/wifi chips that seem to work better on their own platforms. Also at one time AMD didn't make platform chipsets at all and relied on third party firms for it.

 

[A///]

It helps that Intel makes their own network/wifi chips that seem to work better on their own platforms. Also at one time AMD didn't make platform chipsets at all and relied on third party firms for it.

If you discount the i225 and i226 issues they make great networking chips.

 

[utahraptor]

I wonder if Newegg is feeling sorry for us on the AM5 side. I at might night last night received a Jedi Survivor code enough though at the time of purchase it was not eligible. Its kind of fun so far!

 

[H433x0n]

I wonder if Newegg is feeling sorry for us on the AM5 side. I at might night last night received a Jedi Survivor code enough though at the time of purchase it was not eligible. Its kind of fun so far!

Off topic but Jedi Survivor has been great. It’s miles better than the first one since it’s quasi open world. That’s a killer promo.

 

[H433x0n]

intel boards being more robust than amd is nothing new. amd could be busting their arse and outselling everything of intel 5 to 1 and the quality of their hardware by the aibs would still be like it is now because they don't care enough. it's got nothing to do with intel money bribes. this has always been the case for amd unfortunately. idk whether it's partly due to amd not giving full documentation or because amd often pushes out bleeding edge tech with each chipset. i've been scouring the internet for any incident like this affecting intel processors on raptor lake but i haven't found anything. that's not to say asus hasn't messed up intel hardware before.

I checked too since I've got a Z790 Strix-E motherboard and noticed my IMC voltage is set to 1.4V (actual is 1.421V). Wanted to make sure I wasn't going to have to deal with any similar issues that have been happening with the few unlucky AM5 owners. Going through the Intel guidelines, it seems what they consider the maximum is ~1.5V before long term reliability starts to degrade rapidly (it's an exponential curve).

 

[A///]

I checked too since I've got a Z790 Strix-E motherboard and noticed my IMC voltage is set to 1.4V (actual is 1.421V). Wanted to make sure I wasn't going to have to deal with any similar issues that have been happening with the few unlucky AM5 owners. Going through the Intel guidelines, it seems what they consider the maximum is ~1.5V before long term reliability starts to degrade rapidly (it's an exponential curve).

Not to get too off topic with Intel shmintel talk but Are you locked out of undervolting? Der Bower has a good guide on Raptor Lake to reduce power fed as much as possible bringing thermals down with a less than 1 and change pc performance loss. I haven't got much luck finding rpl users online who've discussed this so far in light of the asus news but a lot of amd. either raptor has sold terribly or most rpl owners aren't using asus boards.

 

[A///]

Off topic but Jedi Survivor has been great. It’s miles better than the first one since it’s quasi open world. That’s a killer promo.

but how long until dlss becomes a crutch for bad development?

 

[eek2121]

Jayztwocents video (at 14:05) said that Asrock used to be the 'avoid at all costs brand', when was that because I can't recall now, all I remember now was their thin pcbs used to have alot of flex. MSI used to have poorly rated vrms and got lambasted for it and now they seem to have the best vrms especially on their budget models.

I've tried to watch his videos numerous times, but as someone who has building his own PCs and doing hardware/software development since the mid 80s (EDIT: fact checked myself and now I REALLY feel old. thanks... ), he comes off as a moron in nearly all of his videos. I just cannot take him seriously as a result. Some of the "mistakes" he makes after "years" of experience show me he is all show and no tell.

On the intel side almost every mobo is like that, you don't get a 250W CPU to run at 330W + by using conservative settings...
But you can look at OC articles, ASUS on the 11thgen went up to 1.58V on auto settings if I'm reading this correctly.
(SP prediction would be the settings it's telling you to apply)

Multi-chip Intel Core i9-11900K Overclocking Review: Four Boards, Cryo Cooling

www.anandtech.com

Intel was never like that until pressured via competition. If you look back at the old Intel, they were religious about perf/watt. AMD and Cyrix beat them up in the past...sadly only AMD remains to keep them honest for now, and Intel has chosen to ignore...

Note that Intel has things like the 1GHz debacle and such that show why nobody should go easy on them.

 

[A///]

I've tried to watch his videos numerous times, but as someone who has building his own PCs and doing hardware/software development since the mid 80s (EDIT: fact checked myself and now I REALLY feel old. thanks... ), he comes off as a moron in nearly all of his videos. I just cannot take him seriously as a result. Some of the "mistakes" he makes after "years" of experience show me he is all show and no tell.

I take delight knowing I'm much older than him but still have most of my haircolour even though I have less hair than him. When I watch his videos I tune out for most of it because of what you describe but also because it's like listening to a child become very excited over visiting the ice cream parlour for a sunday.

 

[A///]

Intel was never like that until pressured via competition. If you look back at the old Intel, they were religious about perf/watt. AMD and Cyrix beat them up in the past...sadly only AMD remains to keep them honest for now, and Intel has chosen to ignore...

Note that Intel has things like the 1GHz debacle and such that show why nobody should go easy on them.

amd being conservative about their design while pushing for performance will keep them in the lead or equal to intel, but until intel can get their power use down then amd is the clear winner in my book and has been for 7 years now.

lol that's always a fun incident to discuss online. I mentioned a few months ago I was one of the few who got one of those chips. in those days as you recall stores took down your info if you made a big purchase to sell you more junk in the future or flyer rolecalls. they refunded my money and gave me a gift certificate to use in store or their other affiliated stores. It wasn't much by today's standards but it was quite the gesture 23 years ago. Gas was still 1.05-1.13 a gallon where I was living at the time.

 

[H433x0n]

Not to get too off topic with Intel shmintel talk but Are you locked out of undervolting? Der Bower has a good guide on Raptor Lake to reduce power fed as much as possible bringing thermals down with a less than 1 and change pc performance loss. I haven't got much luck finding rpl users online who've discussed this so far in light of the asus news but a lot of amd. either raptor has sold terribly or most rpl owners aren't using asus boards.

I’m pretty conservative with any type of overclocking / undervolting modifications. I value stability above all else. I’ve got a -0.040V P-Core and -0.020V E-Core undervolt with the Intel guidance enabled (253W and less aggressive turbo behavior). I removed that Asus MCE enhancement crap immediately. I lost zero performance by just running the Intel logic on the motherboard. Past 253W it’s diminishing returns on an exponential scale. The IHS’s ability to dissipate heat completely breaks down, as it stands now at 253W I never see anything above 90* C in any benchmark.

I think both AMD and Intel should probably crackdown a bit on motherboard vendors. I’m not saying they need to remove some of the customization options but I feel like they should make sure they're not default. For AMD, I don't think that'll be an issue after this fiasco. There shouldn't be up to 0.080V of calibration error in the voltage setpoints for things like vSOC. For Intel, they should enforce that any type of MCE is at the very minimum not the default behavior (arguably it shouldn't exist at all). The existence of options like Asus' MCE does nothing but create meme material and clickbait Youtube thumbnails while bringing zero performance benefit.

Something else I wish the pitchfork mob should address is the Armoury Crate install being the default option, it's like a built-in root kit.

 

[A///]

I’m pretty conservative with any type of overclocking / undervolting modifications. I value stability above all else. I’ve got a -0.040V P-Core and -0.020V E-Core undervolt with the Intel guidance enabled (253W and less aggressive turbo behavior). I removed that Asus MCE enhancement crap immediately. I lost zero performance by just running the Intel logic on the motherboard. Past 253W it’s diminishing returns on an exponential scale. The IHS’s ability to dissipate heat completely breaks down, as it stands now at 253W I never see anything above 90* C in any benchmark.

I think both AMD and Intel should probably crackdown a bit on motherboard vendors. I’m not saying they need to remove some of the customization options but I feel like they should make sure they're not default. For AMD, I don't think that'll be an issue after this fiasco. There shouldn't be up to 0.080V of calibration error in the voltage setpoints for things like vSOC. For Intel, they should enforce that any type of MCE is at the very minimum not the default behavior (arguably it shouldn't exist at all). The existence of options like Asus' MCE does nothing but create meme material and clickbait Youtube thumbnails while bringing zero performance benefit.

Something else I wish the pitchfork mob should address is the Armoury Crate install being the default option, it's like a built-in root kit.

I read your post three times and wondered what happened to Harry the bellend and realised you weren't him. Hehe. This is a good post and I want to address that these chips were tuned from the factory to be fast. There was already a step over from normale power use thanks to Intel and Amd further pushing them. the aib vendors add onto that insult by further freeing the chip to do whatever including kill itself. I've read about some boards providing even more power on demand if the chip begins to throttle due to thermals. i don't know how true this is. it's the consumer demand for more performance each generation. it is cheaper than the rd required to design major improvements each generation. very near future tech should solve a few of these problems and get breathing room back on the table. Der Bower's video bottomed below the natural intel 253 watt limit iirc but I didn't watch all of his video. he's the only one with a video on it that isn't clickbait.

armoury crate is one of those softwares that comes with a laptop or prebuilt and these softwares used to be options in the diy space years ago until they got more tighly integrated and now they are like a rootkit as you say. there's paid third party software that does what it does and not be a pain in the ass.but there is good software too like signal rgb or open rgb if you want to have a club party in your gaming case.

 

[coercitiv]

Folks, Asus will single-handedly rescue AMD from this PR disaster: ASUS UK PR believes it is ‘legal to buy positive reviews’

 

[Ajay]

Folks, Asus will single-handedly rescue AMD from this PR disaster: ASUS UK PR believes it is ‘legal to buy positive reviews’

Of course they do. It’s probably not technically illegal so long as a couple of conditions are met. Amoral and deceptive for sure, but that's been the modus operandi of sales and marketing folks for the past couple hundred years (if not longer).

 

[igor_kavinski]

With ASUS, finding the golden sample Ryzen CPU has never been easier!

Just keep burning CPUs till you find that golden one!

ASUS. We Care.

 

[Mopetar]

ASUS. We Care.

I thought GN Steve putting a different spin on the "For those who dare" slogan was apt.