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aigomorla

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I don't recall ASRock ever being an 'avoid at all costs brand

They were the do not support FATAL1TY and other E-sporter sponsor.
This is why no other vendor really partnered up with any other Esporters, because they had such a bad image on boards, and making them more expensive then they should be.
Motherboards are NOT Nike AIR JORDANS.

I did not buy a single piece of hardware from them when they supported FATAL1TY.
I do not believe in charging more for same gear hardware just because some esporter uses it, when im not interested in that esport.
Also the ROG gear was so much better then FATAL1TY gear.


That line is such garbage compared to the TaiChi.
And its basically a Extreme series only with different color scheme and a higher price tag because of FATAL1TY.
 

aigomorla

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With ASUS, finding the golden sample Ryzen CPU has never been easier!

Just keep burning CPUs till you find that golden one!

ASUS. We Care.

"At ASUS we partnered with AMD to make overclocking so stupidly easy, even your great great great grandparents who passed away can do it, once that chip gets to them."

A Pun to the intel Commercial.
You guys know this is what started all these stupid vendor auto overclock settings.
 

dlerious

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eek2121

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Moving forward, I think AMD should focus a lot more on QC, and they should also release a series AMD branded motherboards "done right". Not over-engineered. No gaudy flashy board designs of UEFI, just a plain old down to earth motherboard with quality components, plenty of IO (but not overkill), etc. Not too cheap or expensive, mark it up enough so board partners aren't upset, but not up so far as to anger users.

They won't, of course, but one can dream. Back in the day, as I recall, Intel had some pretty decent first party motherboards, and also, though not first party, NVIDIA chipsets for AMD boards were miles ahead of older attempts. Once one vendor sets the right example, it pressures others to improve.

Maybe EVGA will step into the AM5 business with a few quality offerings and add a bit more competition. EVGA: If you are reading this, give me a decent X670/X670E Mini ITX board with high quality onboard sound, an external bios flashback button, an external clear cmos button, and a clean, bug free UEFI interface and I'll buy it instantly to replace my ASUS board.

Bottom line is that we clearly need new entries into ALL segments. All of the current vendors are rushing towards over-engineered premium boards and focusing on things like RGB headers and awful designs rather than focusing on stability and functionality.

I'd rather have a text based UEFI that works 100% of the time instead of a GUI that works 80% of the time and saves the wrong values, doesn't save at all, or doesn't work the other 20% of the time. I'd rather have a decent heatsink on the chipset that actually cools than a cheap, flashy looking thing that needs a loud fan to keep it cool. I don't need a billion phase VRM, I just need enough to power my 7950X at stock settings, maybe with PBO, maybe not.

Just a few thoughts.
 
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biostud

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They were the do not support FATAL1TY and other E-sporter sponsor.
This is why no other vendor really partnered up with any other Esporters, because they had such a bad image on boards, and making them more expensive then they should be.
Motherboards are NOT Nike AIR JORDANS.

I did not buy a single piece of hardware from them when they supported FATAL1TY.
I do not believe in charging more for same gear hardware just because some esporter uses it, when im not interested in that esport.
Also the ROG gear was so much better then FATAL1TY gear.


That line is such garbage compared to the TaiChi.
And its basically a Extreme series only with different color scheme and a higher price tag because of FATAL1TY.
Don't you trash talk my trusty old ASRock X99 Fatal1ty Killer!!!!111!1!1, she isn't even cold in the grave yet.

Which I bought because it was the only one with both e-sata and a PCIe x4 3.0 nvme slot (which I never got to use )
 

biostud

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Not over-engineered. No gaudy flashy board designs of UEFI, just a plain old down to earth motherboard with quality components, plenty of IO (but not overkill), etc. Not too cheap or expensive, mark it up enough so board partners aren't upset, but not up so far as to anger users.
That's the reason I choose my motherboard.
 

DrMrLordX

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Moving forward, I think AMD should focus a lot more on QC, and they should also release a series AMD branded motherboards "done right".
Today's AMD does not prioritize DiY client. They have too much invested in server/workstation and OEM client to really want to bother with that.

If you got the impression that AMD did too little to support AM5 for the DiY market in particular, you'd probably be right.
 
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TheELF

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Today's AMD does not prioritize DiY client. They have too much invested in server/workstation and OEM client to really want to bother with that.

If you got the impression that AMD did too little to support AM5 for the DiY market in particular, you'd probably be right.
Server is about the same, a bit lower than desktop and used to be a lot lower not too long ago, they can't afford to alienate the desktop crowd.

And NO, datacenter/server IS NOT their bigger margin market.

Segment and Category Information(1)
Data Center
Net revenue$1,295$1,293
Operating income$148$427
Embedded
Net revenue
$1,562$595
Operating income$798$277
 

moinmoin

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"Desktop" is not DIY alone but includes OEM. The more interesting part would be the balance of the two.
 
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KompuKare

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They won't, of course, but one can dream. Back in the day, as I recall, Intel had some pretty decent first party motherboards, and also, though not first party, NVIDIA chipsets for AMD boards were miles ahead of older attempts. Once one vendor sets the right example, it pressures others to improve.
On the other hand, Nvidia nForce boards were affected by solder bumbgate - I had one fail on me with the exact same problem bad solder choice problem as a 8800GT and a 8400GS failed. Drivers were okay though!
 

DrMrLordX

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"Desktop" is not DIY alone but includes OEM. The more interesting part would be the balance of the two.
You won't find these problems on OEM systems. And most of client is laptop now so priorities, priorities.

@TheELF

Pay attention to AMD's Q1 revenue breakdown and see where client sits versus datacenter and then get back to me.
 

TheELF

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@TheELF

Pay attention to AMD's Q1 revenue breakdown and see where client sits versus datacenter and then get back to me.
I did pay attention, that's where I got the numbers from, AMD lost 75% of their margin on datacenter compared to last year with almost the same revenue, revenue doesn't pay any bills they have to make money from their sales and datacenter aint it.
And building brand recognition is worthless since customers will switch right to whatever else as soon as that something else is better for them.
For Gaming and embedded margins stayed pretty much the same.

Three Months Ended
April 1,
2023
March 26, 2022
Segment and Category Information(1)
Data Center
Net revenue $1,295 $1,293
Operating income $148 $427
 

A///

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who's that guy from cyprus who does the hardware reviews? there's some blog post on his website about asus not being the only one guilty of messing over cpus from amd this gen with high surprise voltages.
 

Hitman928

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I did pay attention, that's where I got the numbers from, AMD lost 75% of their margin on datacenter compared to last year with almost the same revenue, revenue doesn't pay any bills they have to make money from their sales and datacenter aint it.
And building brand recognition is worthless since customers will switch right to whatever else as soon as that something else is better for them.
For Gaming and embedded margins stayed pretty much the same.
Three Months Ended
April 1,
2023
March 26, 2022
Segment and Category Information(1)
Data Center
Net revenue$1,295$1,293
Operating income$148$427

AMD's embedded market with Xilinx did very well in an overall down market. However, the semi-custom and embedded market potential is much lower than data center and so there isn't as much money spent on building for the future. The data center gross margins are still very high but AMD is spending a lot of money in that segment right now building inventory for 2H launches and building out additional business opportunities because the potential for this segment is much much higher than gaming and embedded. So the data center operating margin is relatively low for AMD due to the down market and them essentially reinvesting the profits from the segment to build future growth. If AMD's plan comes to fruition, then data center revenue and profits will be much higher than gaming and embedded within a few years.
 

DrMrLordX

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@TheELF

You're really ignoring the fact that AMD is making a lot more money from datacentre than they are client. And they're spending more on datacentre as well.

DIY desktop is suffering from neglect.
 

KompuKare

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Can't really see how the share of AMD's datacentre vs client profits is irrelevant to this thread but since it someone ended up here...

Let me point out that in one of the financial threads on another forum there was talk about Intel basically having to away their current server CPUs due to them being so uncompetitive compared to EPYC. Something about Intel making next to nothing on huge sale numbers in datacentre. Speculation was that for any med/big customer considering EPYC, Intel were able to offer so many incentives that they more or less gave the server CPUs away.

Not something a certain poster who fancies themselves as an amateur financial analyst and who seems to like spreading FUD in AMD threads should draw attention to, surely?!
 
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DrMrLordX

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Can't really see how the share of AMD's datacentre vs client profits is irrelevant to this thread but since it someone ended up here...
That's partially my fault, though I didn't expect anyone to be so argumentative as to dig in his heels and fight over it. Regardless, if anyone really wants to know why AMD has been negligent when it comes to reigning in OEM behavior on DiY AM5 hardware, one only has to remember where AMD's priorities lie. It takes thoughtful communication to make sure that all your bases are covered when dealing with OEMs. AMD doesn't seem to have set any vSoC limits when defining the EXPO standard, leaving it up to motherboard OEMs to determine how much vSoC to apply when enabling EXPO (since the DIMMs don't have that as part of their profile).
 

Mopetar

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AMD probably could have nipped a lot of this in the bud with better communication to their board partners. ASUS weren't the only ones having issues.

But ASUS went full stupid mode after than by themselves and that's far more damaging to their brand than anything else. I'd be leery of their products even if I were an Intel user based on how they've behaved in response to the issues.
 

therealmongo

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who's that guy from cyprus who does the hardware reviews? there's some blog post on his website about asus not being the only one guilty of messing over cpus from amd this gen with high surprise voltages.
Person from Cyprus doing hardware reviews ? Never came across them, interested
 

DrMrLordX

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I kept HWInfo running for 3 days, and sure enough, there was a peak even at fixed 1.2v:

View attachment 80654

I know some people on overclockers.net have said that there are faulty peak readings, no idea if this is one of those, but I still don't like it.

From my understanding, it takes sustained high vSoC to cause degradation. Brief spikes like that are probably not a big deal. Your average is still 1.2v. It is probably recording a blip from coming down off a high-current workload.

I'm also curious as to what VDDCR_VDD is? It had a heck of a spike as well.
 
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CakeMonster

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Yeah, I don't worry too much. Judging by the recommendations on OCN and the Asus ROG forums I have the latest BIOS and the fixed values needed, so I should be good. No idea about VDDCR_VDD, I'll just try not to think about it for now...
 
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