Question Asus mobos burning x3D CpuS?

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CakeMonster

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Yeah, the first thing I did after booting up was running TestMem5, PyPrime, and IntelBurnTest. But it also passed those with the previous settings, then typically randomly froze a 30-90mins later while just browsing with low utilization.
 
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coercitiv

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Trolololololololo!

Gigabyte states their AMD AM5 motherboards do not exceed 1.3V SOC Voltage

We would like to address the recent media reports regarding the SOC Voltage exceeding 1.3 V on GIGABYTE’s AMD AM5 motherboards especially when EXPO is enabled in the latest beta BIOS.

In terms of the SOC Voltage measurement, the authentic measurement point and method is critical since the SOC Voltage will differ by that. The CPU internal SOC Voltage (SVI3 interface) is the most crucial indicator to motherboards, and, in general, the PWM Output Voltage will be higher than the CPU internal SOC Voltage (SVI3 interface) due to various physical factors.

Users can use HWiNFO software to accurately monitor the CPU internal SOC Voltage (SVI3 interface), which is indicated as “CPU VDDCR_SOC Voltage (SVI3 TFN)” in HWiNFO. This value is reported by the internal sensor of the CPU to show the true voltage. GIGABYTE uses HWiNFO to monitor the SOC Voltage on AM5 motherboards and it is under 1.3 V, which is officially confirmed by AMD. The full lineup of GIGABYTE AM5 motherboards follows AMD’s latest SOC Voltage 1.3 V Guideline when EXPO is enabled. Please refer to the video below for more details.

TL;DR - We at Gigabyte use HWInfo and the voltage looks fine... in the latest beta BIOS.
 

TheELF

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coercitiv

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like what more do you want?!
I want a board that does not override manual VSOC settings based on how much DRAM voltage the EXPO profiles specifies.

Oh I get it, AMD is not trustworthy and their sensors are just going to tell you anything, ok I do agree with that. /s
Oh look, a little troll. Come here fluffy buddy, here's a dry biscuit for you. Who's a good troll? Who's the noisiest and cutest little troll? You are!
 

dccc

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Asus on it too.
Turn on english subtitles.
GN premise was all wrong but he got away with all the views and FUD.
 

IEC

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I recall some early ASUS memory presets including their Hynix M-die preset defaulting to 1.4 vSOC when I trialed it on my 7700X. So no, I don't think the premise that too much voltage was supplied was wrong. Even if the newer BIOSes used in that testing appear to correctly limit vSOC when enabling EXPO. At least it is encouraging that the newest BIOS seems to work properly.
 
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A///

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to think I asked @DrMrLordX how bad the memory and stability issues were on zen 1 months ago or weeks ago and he told me it was far worse. hmm.

if it weren't for youtubers we consumers would be regularly getting scammed by these companies who didn't have the gall to admit they messed up
 

DrMrLordX

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to think I asked @DrMrLordX how bad the memory and stability issues were on zen 1 months ago or weeks ago and he told me it was far worse. hmm.

if it weren't for youtubers we consumers would be regularly getting scammed by these companies who didn't have the gall to admit they messed up
Well it was, it's just that chips weren't dying from vSoC at the time either. So it depends on what is your definition of memory/stability issues.
 

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to think I asked @DrMrLordX how bad the memory and stability issues were on zen 1 months ago or weeks ago and he told me it was far worse. hmm.

if it weren't for youtubers we consumers would be regularly getting scammed by these companies who didn't have the gall to admit they messed up
I was also an early adopter on Zen 1. AM4 early adoption was painful for memory compatibility and you basically had to run Samsung B-die based modules early on or suffer with DDR4-2400 to 2666 MT/s speeds unless able to kludge together manual timings. Obviously it eventually got better as AMD and mobo makers (and overclockers) figured out DDR4 compatibility. But we did not have CPUs and boards burning up.

The only AM4 motherboard I had die on me was also an ASUS mobo... one of the early launch X370 Crosshair VI Hero boards that bricked itself (issue fixed with later BIOSes IIRC). No smoke or electrical damage though, and the CPU was fine. I grabbed a MSI B350M Gaming Pro mATX board as the replacement as at the time X370 boards were sold out everywhere (March 2017). That board despite being a budget mATX board was actually quite good and later ran my Ryzen 1700 OC'd to 4GHz. The Crosshair VI Hero was one of the preferred boards for X370, early issues notwithstanding.
 
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Looks like AGESA 1.0.0.7a based updates are trickling out. For my ASUS X670E board on 5/16:

PRIME X670E-PRO WIFI BIOS 1616

Version 1616
9.22 MB
2023/05/16

"1. Update AGESA version to Combo AM5 PI 1.0.0.7.a
2. Support 48/24GB high-density DDR5 memory module.
3. Memory QVL amended to account for AMD 1.3V SoC voltage limit.
4. EXPO/XMP prompt notice removed.
Before running the USB BIOS Flashback tool, please rename the BIOS file(PX670ERW.CAP) using BIOSRenamer."
 

dccc

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I recall some early ASUS memory presets including their Hynix M-die preset defaulting to 1.4 vSOC when I trialed it on my 7700X. So no, I don't think the premise that too much voltage was supplied was wrong. Even if the newer BIOSes used in that testing appear to correctly limit vSOC when enabling EXPO. At least it is encouraging that the newest BIOS seems to work properly.

As Anandtech mainpage, 1.4 vSoc was the initial 'safe' limits in agesa.
 

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I was also an early adopter on Zen 1. AM4 early adoption was painful for memory compatibility and you basically had to run Samsung B-die based modules early on or suffer with DDR4-2400 to 2666 MT/s speeds unless able to kludge together manual timings. Obviously it eventually got better as AMD and mobo makers (and overclockers) figured out DDR4 compatibility. But we did not have CPUs and boards burning up.

The only AM4 motherboard I had die on me was also an ASUS mobo... one of the early launch X370 Crosshair VI Hero boards that bricked itself (issue fixed with later BIOSes IIRC). No smoke or electrical damage though, and the CPU was fine. I grabbed a MSI B350M Gaming Pro mATX board as the replacement as at the time X370 boards were sold out everywhere (March 2017). That board despite being a budget mATX board was actually quite good and later ran my Ryzen 1700 OC'd to 4GHz. The Crosshair VI Hero was one of the preferred boards for X370, early issues notwithstanding.
MSI has done a terrific job with all the Ryzen generational chipsets from what I can tell with few duds.I'll be picking one up for my r9 build sooner or later and go with the midrange boards for the other r9 builds.
 
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Where did you see this?
It's in the patch notes for AGESA 1.0.0.7. The AGESA pre 1.0.0.7 allowed you to specify 1.4V without any hackery or overriding anything. This somehow got blamed on motherboard vendors for running out of spec when they put a setpoint of 1.4V, which is high for sure but it wasn't violating guidance.

PLAT-131921: [RPL]and [RPL-X3D] Limit AOD menu setting for SoC voltage input to 1.3V when not in LN2 mode PLAT-132133:
[RPL]and [RPL-X3D] Update AOD menu help text to reference LN2 mode for expanded voltage ranges
[PMFW-13058] Change SOC max Voltage limit in FW to 1.3V from 1.4V

GN premise was all wrong but he got away with all the views and FUD.

Yes, both things he harped on were totally incorrect. Asus didn't suddenly put a beta BIOS disclaimer, they've been doing that for years and didn't introduce it just for X3D issues. His claims of wildly overvolting past setpoint was also incorrect.
 
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aigomorla

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Sigh, all i know is this has prevented me from buying my next board, which would of 99.9999% have been a ASUS ProArt... either the W790X Sage Pro, or whatever the new threadripper pro platform was going to be on.

But ASUS makes the best HEDT boards, which makes me sad.
All the other vendors pretty much fail compared to the W790X Sage Pro, with the exception of possibly the Supermicro, but thats not really an overclocking board, but a pure workstation board.
 

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Sigh, all i know is this has prevented me from buying my next board, which would of 99.9999% have been a ASUS ProArt... either the W790X Sage Pro, or whatever the new threadripper pro platform was going to be on.

But ASUS makes the best HEDT boards, which makes me sad.
All the other vendors pretty much fail compared to the W790X Sage Pro, with the exception of possibly the Supermicro, but thats not really an overclocking board, but a pure workstation board.
It's your money, but I wouldn't let this stop me from buying a ProArt Z790 or W790X Sage Pro. I wouldn't even worry about buying an Asus AM5 motherboard, the hardware itself is still very good. I'm not convinced this is the fault of motherboard vendors at all, especially in light of recent news.

I would probably wait for Emerald Rapids though, but that's a totally different topic.
 

aigomorla

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I would probably wait for Emerald Rapids though, but that's a totally different topic.
That is my target hence why im waiting for ThreadRipper Pro, Storm Peak.
I think they should come out at close the same time.

But eitherway ASUS makes the best HEDT boards in the ProART Sage series.
I think the other vendors have a bit to go, to make them look not only as nice, but also have features rich like they offer.
 

Markfw

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That is my target hence why im waiting for ThreadRipper Pro, Storm Peak.
I think they should come out at close the same time.

But eitherway ASUS makes the best HEDT boards in the ProART Sage series.
I think the other vendors have a bit to go, to make them look not only as nice, but also have features rich like they offer.
I have a Genoa 9554, 64 core. With all cores loaded 100%, its running 3.7 ghz. The threadripper version of this will be mind-boggling. Emerald rapids will get mutilated.
 

aigomorla

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I have a Genoa 9554, 64 core. With all cores loaded 100%, its running 3.7 ghz. The threadripper version of this will be mind-boggling. Emerald rapids will get mutilated.

Yeah but i don't need a 7000 dollar cpu, with 64 cores.
I need something around 16-24 cores, costs less then 2000 dollars the cpu itself, and has very good single core performance for games that aren't optimized correctly on multi cores.

Hence why im looking at storm peak in the lower end.
 

Markfw

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Yeah but i don't need a 7000 dollar cpu, with 64 cores.
I need something around 16-24 cores, costs less then 2000 dollars the cpu itself, and has very good single core performance for games that aren't optimized correctly on multi cores.

Hence why im looking at storm peak in the lower end.
You can get a 32 core QS for under $1000. They are $999 or offer, and they countered for less for me.

 

aigomorla

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But the boards for EYPC is a supermicro.
Great workstation / server boards... horrible content creator / gamer / overclockers worst nightmare board.
This is why im not using my current EYPC for gaming.
 

Markfw

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But the boards for EYPC is a supermicro.
Great workstation / server boards... horrible content creator / gamer / overclockers worst nightmare board.
This is why im not using my current EYPC for gaming.
When all my hardware shows up, my primary box (checkbook, paying bills, all that stuff) is going on the 9554. 64 cores, and no aborts.
 
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Markfw

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sm z790 boards don't seem bad???

digital checks?
No, I track all my money on a program I wrote many years ago. Almost everything I pay is electronic, except the property tax that they want 3% extra for. Point being, its really my "home production box" and I want stable and efficient.
 

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No, I track all my money on a program I wrote many years ago. Almost everything I pay is electronic, except the property tax that they want 3% extra for. Point being, its really my "home production box" and I want stable and efficient.
Gotcha, my system is not as fancy as yours but I use some unrelated software to give me notifications. my stuff is on auto pay but I get text alerts whenever a payment goes out. half the time I don't know what time of the month it is and I worry about being late. 3% is to cover what the processing fees?
 
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