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CP5670

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All the motherboard companies' software is bad to varying degrees. The MSI Center is bloated and slow but not as bad as it was a few years ago, and it lets you only install the features you want. I like RGB but prefer having nothing on the motherboard due to the reliance on annoying software. Most of my RGB stuff is Corsair and runs on their controllers and icue.
 

eek2121

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I've never owned an ASUS motherboard, so my opinion is just from what I've read and seen online.

I like my PC builds minimalistic and with as little "extra" RGB, software etc. and especially after the RoG branding of ASUS products, it is the exact opposite of what I want. I don't have any brand preference, but ASRock had the board with the PCIe layout, features and costs that suited my needs. Some builders want all the bells and whistles and can choose ASUS, and I can understand their frustration with the company, as you expect that with premium price comes premium service.

ASUS is the only company that has released an X670E ITX board. That was why I went with them. If Gigabyte had released one I would have bought the Gigabyte board since historically Gigabyte has given me the fewest problems.

The ASUS software is mostly optional, but you need to be careful of Windows 11. It now tries to install packages from vendors, this includes Razer Synapse, for example, when Razer products are detected.
 

biostud

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ASUS is the only company that has released an X670E ITX board. That was why I went with them. If Gigabyte had released one I would have bought the Gigabyte board since historically Gigabyte has given me the fewest problems.

The ASUS software is mostly optional, but you need to be careful of Windows 11. It now tries to install packages from vendors, this includes Razer Synapse, for example, when Razer products are detected.
Does the X670E even make sense over B650E in ITX form factor? Is there room for all the extra expansion slots?
 

eek2121

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Isn't the ASUS X670E ITX board only giving you a x4 m.2 slot from the second chipset?
It has USB4. Unsure if that is coming from the secondary or not, or if the second m.2 slot is from the secondary or not.

Ideally I would like to see a fanless version of the board with 3x PCIE 5.0 m.2 drives and a 16x PCIE 5.0 slot. I have 2 PCIE 4.0 drives now and would not only like to add a third, but also upgrade to PCIE 5.0.

I want the USB 4.0 for future proofing mostly, but having extra USB ports is a huge plus as well. Right now I have over a dozen USB devices connected. I have to use a hub for some stuff.

I thought about forgetting ITX, but my machine is hidden out of sight and is now quite silent. I also enjoy the fact I can throw it in a backpack and take it places if I need to. Despite the monstrous components (4090, 7950x, 8TB across 2 m. drives, 64gb DDR5 6000) it also only has a 750W PSU, so it is also quite power efficient. This is despite being smaller than current video game consoles.
 

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The ASUS software is mostly optional, but you need to be careful of Windows 11. It now tries to install packages from vendors, this includes Razer Synapse, for example, when Razer products are detected.
this goes back further than windows 11. older versions of windows were capable of grabbing some drivers for peripherals and internal parts but they were optional add ons in windows update.
 
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eek2121

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this goes back further than windows 11. older versions of windows were capable of grabbing some drivers for peripherals and internal parts but they were optional add ons in windows update.
Yes, but like with everything else, Microsoft changed the defaults in Windows 11.

I am glad the Steam Deck has become a thing. The biggest reason I don’t use Linux is gaming support. Some of the games I play still have issues on Linux. Since the launch of the Steam Deck, even AAA titles are beginning to be supported. For example, Street Fighter 6 has day 1 support.

Putting Linux back on my desktop will soon be a thing. All of my development and production tools already work.
 

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Yes, but like with everything else, Microsoft changed the defaults in Windows 11.

I am glad the Steam Deck has become a thing. The biggest reason I don’t use Linux is gaming support. Some of the games I play still have issues on Linux. Since the launch of the Steam Deck, even AAA titles are beginning to be supported. For example, Street Fighter 6 has day 1 support.

Putting Linux back on my desktop will soon be a thing. All of my development and production tools already work.
steam deck is the handheld correct? I wish I could run linux daily but I don't have that luxury. not had much luck with dual boot in the past. would be nice if they made a kvm switch to put on the back in a pci slot but it would auto change which ssd you booted off of.
 

DeathReborn

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It has USB4. Unsure if that is coming from the secondary or not, or if the second m.2 slot is from the secondary or not.

Ideally I would like to see a fanless version of the board with 3x PCIE 5.0 m.2 drives and a 16x PCIE 5.0 slot. I have 2 PCIE 4.0 drives now and would not only like to add a third, but also upgrade to PCIE 5.0.

I want the USB 4.0 for future proofing mostly, but having extra USB ports is a huge plus as well. Right now I have over a dozen USB devices connected. I have to use a hub for some stuff.

I thought about forgetting ITX, but my machine is hidden out of sight and is now quite silent. I also enjoy the fact I can throw it in a backpack and take it places if I need to. Despite the monstrous components (4090, 7950x, 8TB across 2 m. drives, 64gb DDR5 6000) it also only has a 750W PSU, so it is also quite power efficient. This is despite being smaller than current video game consoles.

I just checked and the 2nd Chipset plugs into a PCIe 5 x4 slot and gives you 1 5.0 x4 M.2 slot. They also removed the onboard audio., just not enough real estate on ITX for the 2 chipsets.
 
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would be nice if they made a kvm switch to put on the back in a pci slot but it would auto change which ssd you booted off of.
Install one SSD. Set up Windows on it.

Take it out, install second SSD in different slot and install Linux on that.

Put back the Windows SSD in the original slot. Boot using the UEFI boot options at startup. I don't think you should have an issue with that. You may even be able to modify the bootloader of Windows or Linux to add the other OS, so then you don't need to bother with the boot options key press at boot. Bootloader menu will show up and then choose your preferred OS to boot.
 

eek2121

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steam deck is the handheld correct? I wish I could run linux daily but I don't have that luxury. not had much luck with dual boot in the past. would be nice if they made a kvm switch to put on the back in a pci slot but it would auto change which ssd you booted off of.
FWIW, the steam deck is handheld, yes, but the second you plug it into a dock it becomes a desktop. Quite handy. A bit slow by modern standards, but handy.
 

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Install one SSD. Set up Windows on it.

Take it out, install second SSD in different slot and install Linux on that.

Put back the Windows SSD in the original slot. Boot using the UEFI boot options at startup. I don't think you should have an issue with that. You may even be able to modify the bootloader of Windows or Linux to add the other OS, so then you don't need to bother with the boot options key press at boot. Bootloader menu will show up and then choose your preferred OS to boot.
This is what I did in the 2000s. make it easier!
 

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FWIW, the steam deck is handheld, yes, but the second you plug it into a dock it becomes a desktop. Quite handy. A bit slow by modern standards, but handy.
does the switch do that? i remember some smart phone being able to become a desktop if you used a special dock and then you could run a hub off it.
 

moinmoin

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steam deck is the handheld correct? I wish I could run linux daily but I don't have that luxury. not had much luck with dual boot in the past. would be nice if they made a kvm switch to put on the back in a pci slot but it would auto change which ssd you booted off of.
Steam Deck has a full desktop mode one can easily switch to at any time.

For Linux in general the SteamOS that Steam Deck uses is based on Arch Linux and all improvements are contributed upstream so everything that Steam Deck is good at feeds back into Linux in general over time. It's "only" a matter of the Linux distribution to offer everything in an easily manageable package similar to SteamOS. So all the games running well on Steam Deck mean that those games can run as well on any Linux system if it's already set up accordingly (the big asterisk as usual being Nvidia hardware due to its proprietary closed source nature).

SteamOS itself is also supposed to turn into a more generic Linux distribution that anybody can install on any other PC system, but Valve is using Valve time as usual there. But since everything is open source there's an unofficial distribution that rebuild SteamOS using Arch Linux and comes very close:
 

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3x PCIE 5.0 m.2 drives and a 16x PCIE 5.0 slot.

you can't.
thats a total of 28 pci-e lanes.
The board requires about 4 on sound card, lan and USB.
That means you need a total of 32 lanes.

Ryzen 7950 only has 24 lanes.

Welcome to my world in HEDT.
This is why i honestly think the 7950X is the dumbest CPU i can think of, having more threads then pci-e lanes.
But people are probably going to flame me for that comment.
 
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The board requires about 4 on sound card, lan and USB.
USB 3.2 C-type hub to connect USB version of sound card/other USB devices and TB3 LAN adapter and you got yourself 4 free lanes!

EDIT: Wait, the board needs those internally??? Then you need some really bland mobo without sound/LAN. Does that even exist?
 

WelshBloke

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ASUS is the only company that has released an X670E ITX board. That was why I went with them. If Gigabyte had released one I would have bought the Gigabyte board since historically Gigabyte has given me the fewest problems.

The ASUS software is mostly optional, but you need to be careful of Windows 11. It now tries to install packages from vendors, this includes Razer Synapse, for example, when Razer products are detected.
Windows settings>About>advanced system settings>Hardware tab>device installation setting>click no

I mean I should post the Hitchhikers guide skit about the council plans here really!
 

biostud

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you can't.
thats a total of 28 pci-e lanes.
The board requires about 4 on sound card, lan and USB.
That means you need a total of 32 lanes.

Ryzen 7950 only has 24 lanes.

Welcome to my world in HEDT.
This is why i honestly think the 7950X is the dumbest CPU i can think of, having more threads then pci-e lanes.
But people are probably going to flame me for that comment.
Not flame, but as content creator, doesn't it gives you enough pcie lanes in that price range, if you have your real storage on a NAS?
 

aigomorla

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USB 3.2 C-type hub to connect USB version of sound card/other USB devices and TB3 LAN adapter and you got yourself 4 free lanes!

EDIT: Wait, the board needs those internally??? Then you need some really bland mobo without sound/LAN. Does that even exist?

Nope... the board will typically give you 4 sometimes though the chipset.
But i think thats mostly intel boards.
There are PLX chips which give you more lanes, but you don't see that on consumer boards which the x670 is.
They give you just enough pci-e lanes if your a streamer / gamer.
But again... does a gamer need 16cores 32threads?
Unless your forum name is AdamK, probably not.
I really prefer more PCI-E lanes and lower core count if you ask me.
Every 4 lanes = a extra nVME.

Not flame, but as content creator, doesn't it gives you enough pcie lanes in that price range, if you have your real storage on a NAS?

Nope sadly it doesnt.

You need to be on HEDT if you want exactly what the eek wants.
This is why i keep telling people the 7950 is the dumbest cpu i can think of, not performance wise, but feature wise.
Was it that difficult to give the cpu at least 32 lanes to match thread count.
 

CP5670

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Yes, in the form of USB-4 and some other stuff. The B650 ITX boards are all lacking something or another.

One issue I saw with a lot of the B650E boards is filling four M.2 slots drops the main PCIE slot to 8x. Many of the X670E do things like this too but typically not with the main PCIE slot.
 

aigomorla

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One issue I saw with a lot of the B650E boards is filling four M.2 slots drops the main PCIE slot to 8x. Many of the X670E do things like this too but typically not with the main PCIE slot.

Where else are you gonna get the pci-e lanes?
All boards do this.
Some boards even do it at the second nVME, turning both your 16x slots into 8x.
There is no otherway you will get enough pci-e lanes on a limited platform.

boards at best will be:

16x + 4x + 4x = 24
8x + 8x + 4x + 4x = 24

That 16x is the first thing you lose the moment you start adding more then 1 nvme + 1gpu.

And yeah you'll hear a lot of people go oh you don't need 16x on pci-e... .blah blah blah...
well I will tell those people, i did not buy a 1600 dollar gpu along with a 500 dollar board to have it run at 8x.
 
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