Question Asus mobos burning x3D CpuS?

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biostud

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Nope... the board will typically give you 4 sometimes though the chipset.
But i think thats mostly intel boards.
There are PLX chips which give you more lanes, but you don't see that on consumer boards which the x670 is.
They give you just enough pci-e lanes if your a streamer / gamer.
But again... does a gamer need 16cores 32threads?
Unless your forum name is AdamK, probably not.
I really prefer more PCI-E lanes and lower core count if you ask me.
Every 4 lanes = a extra nVME.



Nope sadly it doesnt.

You need to be on HEDT if you want exactly what the eek wants.
This is why i keep telling people the 7950 is the dumbest cpu i can think of, not performance wise, but feature wise.
Was it that difficult to give the cpu at least 32 lanes to match thread count.
Is it a question of you prefer having all your storage on nvme, or why is it important for content creation to have a lot of pcie storage?
 

aigomorla

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Is it a question of you prefer having all your storage on nvme, or why is it important for content creation to have a lot of pcie storage?
Its not just storage its also LAN.
Unless you get a board with built in 10gbe, you will need to add that.
Why do content creators need 10gbe?
Because when setup right with a proper NAS, 10gbe can transfer files this fast though your network:


A 10gbe card itself is a 8x pci-e lane device.

Then you got your nVME's, and again... why did you buy a 1600 dollar RTX X090 only to have to be forced to run it at 8x?

But under most cases unless your rendering or folding or crunching, more cores is not always so great at the cost of less pci-e lanes in my book.

If your a newbie content creator, then yeah, you don't need all that stuff, unless you intend to go all in and grow big.
But once you start messing with 20-30min videos which are 20-40gb+ each in size.
Your gonna wish you can move files from NAS to your Content creation box and vice versa at 1GB/s and not 1Gb/s.
 
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biostud

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Its not just storage its also LAN.
Unless you get a board with built in 10gbe, you will need to add that.
Why do content creators need 10gbe?
Because when setup right with a proper NAS, 10gbe can transfer files this fast though your network:


A 10gbe card itself is a 8x pci-e lane device.

Then you got your nVME's, and again... why did you buy a 1600 dollar RTX X090 only to have to be forced to run it at 8x?

But under most cases unless your rendering or folding or crunching, more cores is not always so great at the cost of less pci-e lanes in my book.

If your a newbie content creator, then yeah, you don't need all that stuff, unless you intend to go all in and grow big.
But once you start messing with 20-30min videos which are 20-40gb+ each in size.
Your gonna wish you can move files from NAS to your Content creation box and vice versa at 1GB/s and not 1Gb/s.
I understand your points, but for hobby video enthusiasts I think the platform makes perfectly good sense. It’s the same reason I have a D7500 and not a full frame camera. I want good performance when I use it, but I’m not willing to pay premium price for the professional features.
 

CP5670

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Where else are you gonna get the pci-e lanes?
All boards do this.
Some boards even do it at the second nVME, turning both your 16x slots into 8x.
There is no otherway you will get enough pci-e lanes on a limited platform.

boards at best will be:

16x + 4x + 4x = 24
8x + 8x + 4x + 4x = 24

That 16x is the first thing you lose the moment you start adding more then 1 nvme + 1gpu.

And yeah you'll hear a lot of people go oh you don't need 16x on pci-e... .blah blah blah...
well I will tell those people, i did not buy a 1600 dollar gpu along with a 500 dollar board to have it run at 8x.

It actually makes a significant difference in some situations, like Metro Exodus. The speed also drops regardless of PCIE generation, even if it's all PCIE 3.0 devices, they will still drop to half speed. My board keeps the main slot at 16x but drops the bottom slot to 2x if four drives are installed.
 
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biostud

Lifer
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Its not just storage its also LAN.
Unless you get a board with built in 10gbe, you will need to add that.
Why do content creators need 10gbe?
Because when setup right with a proper NAS, 10gbe can transfer files this fast though your network:


A 10gbe card itself is a 8x pci-e lane device.

Then you got your nVME's, and again... why did you buy a 1600 dollar RTX X090 only to have to be forced to run it at 8x?

But under most cases unless your rendering or folding or crunching, more cores is not always so great at the cost of less pci-e lanes in my book.

If your a newbie content creator, then yeah, you don't need all that stuff, unless you intend to go all in and grow big.
But once you start messing with 20-30min videos which are 20-40gb+ each in size.
Your gonna wish you can move files from NAS to your Content creation box and vice versa at 1GB/s and not 1Gb/s.
You can get 10GbE in PCIe4x4 configurations, so if you want full PCIE5 x16, then you still have the possibility of a PCIe5x4 and two PCIe4x4 nvme drives on the X670E platform. (I think)
 
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aigomorla

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You can get 10GbE in PCIe4x4 configurations, so if you want full PCIE5 x16, then you still have the possibility of a PCIe5x4 and two PCIe4x4 nvme drives on the X670E platform. (I think)

Mah...
I still don't like it... i honestly prefer real intel x520 / x540 cards, and i think they are too old for vendors to make them 4x pci-e.
Or i havent seen them come out as 4x.

My ideal setup is something like:

GPU1 -> Main gaming Display.
GPU2 - Sub display.... (im running 2.5 x 4K displays, and require the second GPU.) its .5 because my alienware aw38 is eseentially a ultrawide 4k cut in half horizontally.
16xBifuri Card with 4 x 4tb nVME's.
10GBe Intel X540

I need min 64pci-e lanes on the CPU, with a board that has 3 x physical 16x pci-e 5.0 slots.
But i am going 1 up on that for a full 128, which is why storm peak and W5-3435X are going to be my next platform i am on.
As both can handle that without a heart beat and without running the video cards at 8x

I’m not willing to pay premium price for the professional features.

Im actually the opposite.
I'll pay for, but it better be worth it.
If i pay for a 1600 dollar gpu, it better be worth a 1600 dollar gpu... which almost never is.
But if i pay for 2000 dollar cpu, then by hell it better have all the cores and pci-e lanes i want.
And if the board is 1000 dollars, also, that board better either be made from platinum, or have rich features no other board has.
 
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biostud

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Mah...
I still don't like it... i honestly prefer real intel x520 / x540 cards, and i think they are too old for vendors to make them 4x pci-e.
Or i havent seen them come out as 4x.

My ideal setup is something like:

GPU1 -> Main gaming Display.
GPU2 - Sub display.... (im running 2.5 x 4K displays, and require the second GPU.) its .5 because my alienware aw38 is eseentially a ultrawide 4k cut in half horizontally.
16xBifuri Card with 4 x 4tb nVME's.
10GBe Intel X540

I need min 64pci-e lanes on the CPU, with a board that has 3 x physical 16x pci-e 5.0 slots.
But i am going 1 up on that for a full 128, which is why storm peak and W5-3435X are going to be my next platform i am on.
As both can handle that without a heart beat and without running the video cards at 8x



Im actually the opposite.
I'll pay for, but it better be worth it.
If i pay for a 1600 dollar gpu, it better be worth a 1600 dollar gpu... which almost never is.
But if i pay for 2000 dollar cpu, then by hell it better have all the cores and pci-e lanes i want.
And if the board is 1000 dollars, also, that board better either be made from platinum, or have rich features no other board has.
And hence my point being, that the X670E and 7950X makes perfect sense for hobby enthusiasts, but if you have the need go for the professional lineups.
 
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aigomorla

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And hence my point being, that the X670E and 7950X makes perfect sense for hobby enthusiasts, but if you have the need go for the professional lineups.

never said consumer was a completely bad choice.

I just said i don't like that 7950X cpu, because its really specific in what its designed for because it has too many cores with not enough pci-e lanes for all those cores.

Now point me to the cpu you have in your sig... 7800X3D makes a WHOLE lot more sense, as its a gaming cpu, and gamers don't need that complicated of a setup i listed above.
 
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I just said i don't like that 7950X cpu, because its really specific in what its designed for because it has too many cores with not enough pci-e lanes for all those cores.
AMD has learnt a few tricks since debuting Threadripper. Whet the appetite of people with money to spend
 

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hawe_tv :
What now ? Is there an international warranty on updating Asus motherboards, or is it only in North America?
 
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