Question Asus mobos burning x3D CpuS?

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MrTeal

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And NO, datacenter/server IS NOT their bigger margin market.
What is that graph even representing? How can their market share of mobile, desktop and server all be in the 15-20% range, and their share overall is over 30%?
Is there another large subcategory included where they have almost 100% market share like consoles that's enough to push their overall share up that much?
 

Hitman928

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What is that graph even representing? How can their market share of mobile, desktop and server all be in the 15-20% range, and their share overall is over 30%?
Is there another large subcategory included where they have almost 100% market share like consoles that's enough to push their overall share up that much?

Yes, this includes consoles and embedded but those aren’t broken out as their own category.
 

pj-

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Hardware Busters

And their latest video

Weird. I have that gigabyte board and a 7950x3d and use expo and before I added a manual vsoc limit of 1.24v to be safe, I never saw it go above 1.3v.

I'm on bios f10c, which isn't the "fixed" bios but it's newer than the old version in the video
 

coercitiv

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Weird. I have that gigabyte board and a 7950x3d and use expo and before I added a manual vsoc limit of 1.24v to be safe, I never saw it go above 1.3v.

I'm on bios f10c, which isn't the "fixed" bios but it's newer than the old version in the video
Based on testing done by Buildzoid, the Gigabyte board changes VSOC based on the DRAM voltage setting. Therefore enabling EXPO exhibits different behavior based on the memory voltage included in the profile.

In the video Hardware Busters were using a DDR5 6400 kit with 1.4V. If your RAM is slower and runs at 1.35 or lower, then VSOC is likely to be set much lower as well.
 
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aigomorla

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I dont think i can trust gigabyte after the entire exploding psu, and how hard it was for them to accept fault.
And even then i hear some people still have not gotten reimbursed for the other hardware the psu has taken with it like the very expensive GPU, which were super overpriced at the time.
 

pj-

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Based on testing done by Buildzoid, the Gigabyte board changes VSOC based on the DRAM voltage setting. Therefore enabling EXPO exhibits different behavior based on the memory voltage included in the profile.

In the video Hardware Busters were using a DDR5 6400 kit with 1.4V. If your RAM is slower and runs at 1.35 or lower, then VSOC is likely to be set much lower as well.

Ah, yeah my kit is ddr5 6000 cl30, 1.35v
 

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I dont think i can trust gigabyte after the entire exploding psu, and how hard it was for them to accept fault.
And even then i hear some people still have not gotten reimbursed for the other hardware the psu has taken with it like the very expensive GPU, which were super overpriced at the time.
those were meic psus with the gigabyte name slapped on them. if there's any blame it's meic who built it, but gigabyte's only fault was them being dicks about the warranties.
 
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As I expected, Asus relented.

they've been getting roasted by youtubers no pun intended. you me and any other old fart may think that's not a big deal but consider how many young people in this hobby get their soul info from youtube for computers and won't do the research themselves like we do or did in the past and asus saw their fat flush piggy banks coming down in size in future!
 

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santa must retrieve his workers...... in light of this mishap by the aibs I'm going to extend my purchase on am5 systems until there's a clear all from all parties involved. not a big deal if i was only buying the one system but multiple systems would be a nightmare to deal with if they all went pop and poof. on the good news killed a family of mosquitos earlier plump with blood and will treat myself to some heart healthy pomegranate juice and wine sangria, oleh! all for the best since the weather is still cool and I need to order 5 tons of soil to be dumped on my front lawn and wheelbarrow everything to the rest of the front and back. no time tfor computer shampooters.
 

In2Photos

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I did pay attention, that's where I got the numbers from, AMD lost 75% of their margin on datacenter compared to last year with almost the same revenue, revenue doesn't pay any bills they have to make money from their sales and datacenter aint it.
Say what?
 
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VirtualLarry

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Based on testing done by Buildzoid, the Gigabyte board changes VSOC based on the DRAM voltage setting. Therefore enabling EXPO exhibits different behavior based on the memory voltage included in the profile.

In the video Hardware Busters were using a DDR5 6400 kit with 1.4V. If your RAM is slower and runs at 1.35 or lower, then VSOC is likely to be set much lower as well.
Could some of this be left over "conventional wisdom" and lore from AM4's DDR4 days and IMC (vsoc) versus vDIMM voltages? That there was not supposed to be more than .1V difference between them, and if so, increase vsoc so as not to burn out the IMC with excessive current flow due to the difference in voltage levels?

Does anyone remember reading that in their travels?
 

YBS1

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As I expected, Asus relented.

Overreaction by the majority of people on the web debating this to be honest. I don't think Asus ever had any intention of voiding warranties dues to this or using a beta bios. As long as I can remember it's always stated that same standard CYA boilerplate on any beta bios. I don't think they are backpedaling so much as responding in a panic over peoples speculations.

To add to this, on a bit of a different topic the one time I've had to request an RMA for an Asus product was with my X99 Rampage Extreme. I don't remember even having to jump through any hoops, I requested an RMA, explained the issue and asked if they could do an advanced replacement. They said no problem and that was that. I seem to either be one of the few lucky ones or there are plenty but you only hear the horror stories.
 
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aigomorla

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I don't think Asus ever had any intention of voiding warranties dues to this or using a beta bios.

Sigh you really have no idea about ASUS RMA.
They will look at burnt socket.
RMA Request: Burn Socket.

Technician replys.
RMA Rejection: Bent CPU Pins... (ignoring the burnt socket)

Welcome to ASUS RMA.

Even tho they say they will accept it.
FAT chance your not going to have any problems actually getting it done.
 

A///

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here's to z890 having a massive asus issue too. they'll be 3 for 3, back and forth action between intel and amd like wide gyrating hips at a glorified disco club revival night.
 
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DrMrLordX

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Could some of this be left over "conventional wisdom" and lore from AM4's DDR4 days and IMC (vsoc) versus vDIMM voltages? That there was not supposed to be more than .1V difference between them, and if so, increase vsoc so as not to burn out the IMC with excessive current flow due to the difference in voltage levels?

Does anyone remember reading that in their travels?
Ryzen memory calculator on my 3900x definitely spat out some vdimm settings that were more than 0.1v distant from the recommended vsoc.

Edit: in other news, Asus has finally launched a non-beta UEFI (1415) based on AGESA 1.0.0.7a.
 
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utahraptor

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There is a new 1415 non beta bios out for my board. I am on it this evening with same OC/RAM settings and no issues so far.
 

CakeMonster

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I flashed with 1415 a few hours ago, its locked up (frozen) in Windows three times now. With the exact settings I've been using on practically all the BIOS'es released in the last couple of weeks. Something is a bit different on this one.

I've increased VSOC from 1.2v to 1.25v now, so I'll update if that fixes it.
 

CakeMonster

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I hate downgrading, I'd really like to figure it out. But yeah if this VSOC bump won't do it, I have no idea where to start to tweak, considering these settings have worked for so long.
 

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New asus bios looks like it's implemented higher cap ram now. took a hot minute since intel boards made it available.
 

CakeMonster

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Seems I'm stable with bumping to 1.25v VSOC on 1415 BTW, still no crash/freeze. So at least for me it required that bump compared to 1.2v on earlier BIOSes.
 
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