Asus P4T533-C & 1066 rdram

[ManojM]

Originally posted by: Scipionix
Manoj, do you have the switch settings for fSB settings over 150 MHz? They're not in the manual.

You can download the old Asus P4T manual. I got the settings from there.

 

[Scipionix]

That's quite clever. However I have again concluded that my 1.8A won't go past 144 MHz FSB no matter what. I guess I'll have to content myself with only a 42% overclock.

 

[Den]

This is great info, but I am a little confused about how I can use it. You say it must be set to 4x auto won't work. I have PC800 to boot with so I can do that. But you say it keeps getting changed back to auto, how do I keep that from happening? Or do you mean that it gets set back to auto when you clear the cmos and then you are stuck unless you can set it back to 4x using PC800.... So my real quesion, if you set it to x4 will it stay that way as long as you do not clear the BIOS?

Thanks a lot!
Dan

Originally posted by: sppsr
I went to Kingston this morning and they worked on my PC for about 2 hours, I did not have the long beep problem untill I cleared cmos, after clearing it the PC could not see the ram. My 1066 Kingston ram was fine. In bios you need to set X4 and not auto but the problem is it keeps defaulting back to Auto. If you have the P4T533-C and 1066 ram of any type DO NOT CLEAR CMOS because it will not boot again unless you have PC800-40NS ram sitting around to use to boot it back up. This is how Kingston rebooted my PC.
Kingston is talking with Asus about the fix. It is the board and its a factory setting that needs to be fixed with new bios.

 

[jaybee]

Den:

I have heard that you have to boot the TH7II with PC800 in the A bank for it to recognize PC1066. That sounds similar to the Asus problem mentioned above.

Anyway, if you don't mind digging through an extremely long thread, there is a conversation regarding the TH7II (I know different topic) that discusses both the Turbo PLL and the PC800 boot workaround (on topic) here.

jaybee

 

[Bozo Galora]

nice link there, good find

 

[sppsr]

Hi Den
one of the problems is when you clear cmos most but not all of the boards will not read the 1066 , now I know a lot of you are saying, how often are we clearing cmos and your right , not that often and for some not at all, but this part of the problem was discovered when asus support asked us to clear cmos in hopes of fixing the problem. It is now known that the problem is a factory setting on the board that can be fixed with a new bios and it should be comming soon. In most cases you do need PC800-40NS to reboot after clearing cmos but I have herd that simply turning off the PC and removing the power cord and then plugging it back in and restarting does the trick for some. If you set X4 and do not mess with cmos you will be ok.

Hi Bozo
I am using the beta bios .

Don.

 

[jbond04]

Originally posted by: Scipionix
I'm always trying to be humorous. Except when I want to beat jbond's benchmarks, whicih I think I'll do right now.

Don't make me go try anything stupid to try to beat you back (i.e. buy a better heasink, buy some AS3, get a better fan). Besides, your GeForce4 already has me whipped in 3DMarks...why do you want to humiliate me further. If you want to have a real horsepower contest, let's do a little 3ds Max rendering, shall we? (I noticed you only have 512MB of RAM)

 

[Terrapin]

Man, am I confused.

I've only been waiting on finding some 1066 to order my parts and build my PC. I will be using the Asus P4533T-C with 1066 rdram and a P4-2.4B cpu.

There is a bios update for this board up at Asus that is 1.07. I would think one needs to boot the PC up first to flash the bios, but if one needs 800 rdram to boot it up in the first place, how the heck to I get to where I want to go?

Can someone please simplify all this for me?

Thank you,

Terrapin

 

[Terrapin]

Originally posted by: sppsr
I went to Kingston this morning and they worked on my PC for about 2 hours, I did not have the long beep problem untill I cleared cmos, after clearing it the PC could not see the ram. My 1066 Kingston ram was fine. In bios you need to set X4 and not auto but the problem is it keeps defaulting back to Auto. If you have the P4T533-C and 1066 ram of any type DO NOT CLEAR CMOS because it will not boot again unless you have PC800-40NS ram sitting around to use to boot it back up. This is how Kingston rebooted my PC.
Kingston is talking with Asus about the fix. It is the board and its a factory setting that needs to be fixed with new bios.

Questions:

If I put in 1066 Kingston rdram, will this board boot up?

If so, why did you clear the cmos in the first place?

When flashing a bios to update it, does that have the same effect as "Clearing the cmos"?

Once the system boots up, and the settings are saved, won't the PC boot up correctly again, and not go to default?

Please help me understand what is going on here. I want to obtain these components, but do not have 800 rdram as a work around.

ps: I emailed this thread to someone in Tech Support at Asus. Perhaps they will chime in here.

Thank you,

Terrapin

 

[sppsr]

If I put in 1066 Kingston rdram, will this board boot up - ( Did the first time for me )

If so, why did you clear the cmos in the first place? - ( Asus suggested I do so because the mem was 256 but would come up at 64 ,

194. plus it needed two boots to get into windows. )

When flashing a bios to update it, does that have the same effect as "Clearing the cmos"? - ( No )


Once the system boots up, and the settings are saved, won't the PC boot up correctly again, and not go to default? ( Yes as long as you

do not mess with the cmos and this is whats being repaired. )


Please help me understand what is going on here. I want to obtain these components, but do not have 800 rdram as a work around.

( With what I know now I would have looked at the IWILL 850E or the Gigabyte GA-8IHXP Tehama-E 850E but would stay with the 1066 and Cpu. ) The 1066 rocks!!!!

ps: I emailed this thread to someone in Tech Support at Asus. Perhaps they will chime in here.

 

[Terrapin]

Originally posted by: sppsr
If I put in 1066 Kingston rdram, will this board boot up - ( Did the first time for me )

If so, why did you clear the cmos in the first place? - ( Asus suggested I do so because the mem was 256 but would come up at 64 ,

194. plus it needed two boots to get into windows. )

When flashing a bios to update it, does that have the same effect as "Clearing the cmos"? - ( No )


Once the system boots up, and the settings are saved, won't the PC boot up correctly again, and not go to default? ( Yes as long as you

do not mess with the cmos and this is whats being repaired. )


Please help me understand what is going on here. I want to obtain these components, but do not have 800 rdram as a work around.

( With what I know now I would have looked at the IWILL 850E or the Gigabyte GA-8IHXP Tehama-E 850E but would stay with the 1066 and Cpu. ) The 1066 rocks!!!!

ps: I emailed this thread to someone in Tech Support at Asus. Perhaps they will chime in here.

If the P4T533-C will boot up the first time using 1066 Kingston, then isn't this just a matter of us not knowing that upon the initial boot up, to go into the bios and change the "Memory to FSB" setting to 4x, instead of leaving it at the default?

In other words, had you done this, and rebooted, wouldn't the system of recognized the correct memory and live happily ever after?

Terrapin

 

[Den]

Well, I got my PC1066 back from Kingston and it works when I manually set the RDRAM multiplier. Yeah! But it will not overclock at all If I set the fsb to 136 (an increace of only of less than 3%), I get errors when booting windows. I was able to get my PC800 stable at 133 x4 but did not try to go higher, I will have to try that later. What I am wondering now is, is it my RDRAM or my MB that can not handle 136 x4. I know it is not the cpu, because it runs happily at 142x19 = 2.70Ghz as long as I set the RDRAM to only x3. This does worry me a bit, if I do not even have enough headroom to do a 2% overclock, will it be stable long term at normal speed?

 

[ManojM]

I don't understand how come many guys are having problems. I have no problems with my Asus P4T533-C or my Kingston PC 1066 rams.

Currently running at 3Ghz at 150mhz fsb at 4x bus mode and it is 100% stable.

 

[Den]

Is that an engineering sample? Are your other components hand picked as well? I am not sure which is giving me problems, but either my RAM or my MB is borderline defective...

Originally posted by: ManojM
I don't understand how come many guys are having problems. I have no problems with my Asus P4T533-C or my Kingston PC 1066 rams.

Currently running at 3Ghz at 150mhz fsb at 4x bus mode and it is 100% stable.

 

[jaybee]

nice link there, good find

Thanks Bozo, half the work was figuring out how to do a link here. Now I have to figure out how to get your name in the quote box

 

[Krk3561]

ManojM, what heatsink and other cpu cooling are you using to get 3.0 ghz?

 

[Bozo Galora]

Originally posted by: jaybee

nice link there, good find

Thanks Bozo, half the work was figuring out how to do a link here. Now I have to figure out how to get your name in the quote box

errr.......
have you tried clicking on "quote" link at the bottom of the particular post you want to recall?

 

[ManojM]

Originally posted by: Den
Is that an engineering sample? Are your other components hand picked as well? I am not sure which is giving me problems, but either my RAM or my MB is borderline defective...

Originally posted by: ManojM
I don't understand how come many guys are having problems. I have no problems with my Asus P4T533-C or my Kingston PC 1066 rams.

Currently running at 3Ghz at 150mhz fsb at 4x bus mode and it is 100% stable.

Nothing is hand picked. I asked for an Engineering Sample and I got one. I got it the very first day Northwood 2.2Ghz was introduced. So at that time noone knew if it will be a good overclocker or not.

As for my motherboard and Rams they are not hand picked either.

PS> Make sure to use good quality power supply for overclocking. I am using the Enermax 450W power supply.

 

[Den]

Damn, sometimes I hate being right. Sure enough, failure to boot at 136 FSB and x4 RDRAM was a bad sign. After a few hours, I am now getting blue screens and application failures (even after reboots) at 133FSB x4 RDRAM. This is the spec speed for this MB and RDRAM! I am really mad now. Any sugestions for how I can know if it is the MB or the RDRAM? I am using an enermax 431 watt PSU, so its not a cheap PSU problem. It runs fine at 142 FSB with x3 RDRAM. (And obviously at 133FSB x3 RDRAM as well). Guess it's time to play another round of the blame game with ASUS and Kingston. Sigh...

 

[sppsr]

What a lame ass thing to say, of coarse you would not have problems with that board, but their are a lot of hard working people on this board as well as three other boards that I know off that invested a lot of money like your self on the systems they built and are having a lot of problems. We do not need to hear flame bait s*** like this, so if you can not contribute in some way to help a fellow member out then why don't you troll some where else.

Originally posted by: ManojM
I don't understand how come many guys are having problems. I have no problems with my Asus P4T533-C or my Kingston PC 1066 rams.

Currently running at 3Ghz at 150mhz fsb at 4x bus mode and it is 100% stable.

Originally posted by: ManojM
I don't understand how come many guys are having problems. I have no problems with my Asus P4T533-C or my Kingston PC 1066 rams.

Currently running at 3Ghz at 150mhz fsb at 4x bus mode and it is 100% stable.

 

[sppsr]

Hi Den
Trust me on this its the board, Please call Kingston if you can during daytime hours and ask for Josh, he will be glad to help and explain better then I can to whats going on with this stuff and whats being done to correct it. When its running the way it should its a great board so try to hang in there.

Originally posted by: Den
Damn, sometimes I hate being right. Sure enough, failure to boot at 136 FSB and x4 RDRAM was a bad sign. After a few hours, I am now getting blue screens and application failures (even after reboots) at 133FSB x4 RDRAM. This is the spec speed for this MB and RDRAM! I am really mad now. Any sugestions for how I can know if it is the MB or the RDRAM? I am using an enermax 431 watt PSU, so its not a cheap PSU problem. It runs fine at 142 FSB with x3 RDRAM. (And obviously at 133FSB x3 RDRAM as well). Guess it's time to play another round of the blame game with ASUS and Kingston. Sigh...

 

[Scipionix]

jbond, dammit, my P4 won't make it a hertz over 2560 MHz. You win THIS time.

 

[jbond04]

Don't sweat it too much, Scipionix. Remember, I bought a 2.53GHz, so I probably paid a lot more for my processor than you did for you 1.8A (mine cost $485).

 

[Scipionix]

I'll keep that in mind when my CPU melts

 

[ManojM]

Originally posted by: sppsr
What a lame ass thing to say, of coarse you would not have problems with that board, but their are a lot of hard working people on this board as well as three other boards that I know off that invested a lot of money like your self on the systems they built and are having a lot of problems. We do not need to hear flame bait s*** like this, so if you can not contribute in some way to help a fellow member out then why don't you troll some where else.

Originally posted by: ManojM
I don't understand how come many guys are having problems. I have no problems with my Asus P4T533-C or my Kingston PC 1066 rams.

Currently running at 3Ghz at 150mhz fsb at 4x bus mode and it is 100% stable.

Why are you getting upset? I only expressed what I felt. I am surprised that many have problems. I have built not one but 3 systems with the same motherboard. One for myself, one for my brother and one for my friend. All three are running fine at 150mhz fsb.

Firstly I must tell you guys that I have done the wire mode on my CPU to make it set at 1.85V. The Asus PC Probe detects the VCore at 1.88V though. To make 3Ghz stable I had to use the over volt jumper to set it at 1.95V and hence everything is super stable. I can also boot up and get into windows at 3.04Ghz.

Please note that if you aread in your tower case is warm then you need to add some active cooling for your rams. I have put 2 fans over the rams just for security because 150mhz fsb at 4x bus mode is not going to be cool.

Also good power supply is very important. YOu have to make sure that the 12V reading is good and accurate. Anything below 12V is not good. Mine is at 12.17V or something. Also the 3.3V reading should be about 3.35V or somethign. I have seen some reading as 3.22V which is not that good.

Regards,
Manoj Mahtani

Originally posted by: ManojM
I don't understand how come many guys are having problems. I have no problems with my Asus P4T533-C or my Kingston PC 1066 rams.

Currently running at 3Ghz at 150mhz fsb at 4x bus mode and it is 100% stable.