Asus Rog Swift PG278Q

[Grooveriding]

No, not really. A high refresh rate with fast response TN panel is only really worth it for FPS gaming. You still will have the tradeoff of trashy washed out image quality of course, but less perceived motion blur if you are sensitive to that.

For all other gaming it really doesn't do much for you. I'm sure you can see the framerate difference, but in a game like an MMO or an RTS etc. there is no advantage to what a fast TN provides and all the drawbacks of one; basically everything but the one thing TN does well: fast response times and less perceived blur.

For all the hype even the ROG swift has gotten, supposedly the best TN panel EVAR!!, it still looks crappy in usage and is obviously a TN.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgquRkMHgwE#t=18m12s

I suppose if first person shooters are all you care about, and then only competitive online FPS, really a mainstay of young people I would think who are probably cash-starved and can't even afford this screen, then I guess this is the best choice. Otherwise, not at all.

 

[Flapdrol1337]

For all the hype even the ROG swift has gotten, supposedly the best TN panel EVAR!!, it still looks crappy in usage and is obviously a TN.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgquRkMHgwE#t=18m12s

Footage on a TN screen on my TN screen

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still looks fine to me, should be the best screen for all but turn based strategy gaming.

 

[kasakka]

TN? No thanks.

Don't rule it out just by that. It's 8-bit TN with SRGB gamut so from the start you avoid some of the problems.

Viewing angles are really the only issue with the display and I don't think that's too bad. I can tell the top of the display is a bit darker when viewing it from the front and obvious color shifts happen when standing up. Sideways there's some color shift but not enough to be problematic.

Basically if you have one person watching the screen (as most of the time is the case), you should have no problem with it. I compared the colors to my Dell IPS and really had no problems with the ASUS in that department. The stock calibration is also exceptionally good.

I use some truly crappy TNs at work and this is nothing like those. In fact I'm selling the massive Dell because I have no idea what to do with this much (virtual) desktop space.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

No, not really. A high refresh rate with fast response TN panel is only really worth it for FPS gaming. You still will have the tradeoff of trashy washed out image quality of course, but less perceived motion blur if you are sensitive to that.

For all other gaming it really doesn't do much for you. I'm sure you can see the framerate difference, but in a game like an MMO or an RTS etc. there is no advantage to what a fast TN provides and all the drawbacks of one; basically everything but the one thing TN does well: fast response times and less perceived blur.

For all the hype even the ROG swift has gotten, supposedly the best TN panel EVAR!!, it still looks crappy in usage and is obviously a TN.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgquRkMHgwE#t=18m12s

I suppose if first person shooters are all you care about, and then only competitive online FPS, really a mainstay of young people I would think who are probably cash-starved and can't even afford this screen, then I guess this is the best choice. Otherwise, not at all.

more conjecture

not sure why you seem to have such a vendetta against this monitor, its clearly not for you, we get that

for others there is nothing else that comes remotely close

 

[Qwertilot]

No vendetta I can see Everyone even seems to agree that this thing is very good for very smooth high speed action but only 'reasonable' for more static image quality.

Disagreement then arising due to opinions about how many different types of gaming really need smooth high speed action.

I really don't think its that unreasonable to call it a basically FPS monitor. Clearly the main focus. Third person action games too I guess. Then clearly suboptimal vs 4k/3440*1440 etc for turn based strategy and the like.

For the huge number of points in between the two, well take your pick

 

[I/O]

more conjecture

not sure why you seem to have such a vendetta against this monitor, its clearly not for you, we get that

for others there is nothing else that comes remotely close

Even though it might be the best TN panel ever ... IT"S STILL A TN PANEL. TN panel ... another name for some crappy gaming monitor.

 

[bystander36]

Even though it might be the best TN panel ever ... IT"S STILL A TN PANEL. TN panel ... another name for some crappy gaming monitor.

This issue is how it is worded. You don't see too many gamers going on about how an IPS is a crappy desktop monitor. At least I don't seem to see it.

For gaming, IPS monitors are pretty crappy, with a couple of exceptions, perhaps, which still aren't great.

 

[I/O]

This issue is how it is worded. You don't see too many gamers going on about how an IPS is a crappy desktop monitor. At least I don't seem to see it.

For gaming, IPS monitors are pretty crappy, with a couple of exceptions, perhaps, which still aren't great.

As a gamer I upgraded from some ... Crappy TN panel to a proper IPS and I am now able to actually see the detail, colors and contrast in game that the developers intended me to see. IPS is much better for gaming and anything else IMHO.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Even though it might be the best TN panel ever ... IT"S STILL A TN PANEL. TN panel ... another name for some crappy gaming monitor.

more conjecture, more ignorance

IPS monitors are very slow compared to TN panels (its on teh order of a magnitude in difference), even the IPS ones that can do 120Hz are still slow because of how certain pixel transition times often fall far short of that.

 

[I/O]

more conjecture, more ignorance

IPS monitors are very slow compared to TN panels (its on teh order of a magnitude in difference), even the IPS ones that can do 120Hz are still slow because of how certain pixel transition times often fall far short of that.

Negligible at best. Might make a modicum of differnce if you are say a highly competitve and top ranked competitive CS 1.6 player though.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Negligible at best. Might make a modicum of differnce if you are say a highly competitve and top ranked competitive CS 1.6 player though.

wait, since when was this monitor targeting mediocre gamers?

 

[I/O]

wait, since when was this monitor targeting mediocre gamers?

I am a bit better than average and going from a TN panel to an IPS did not hinder my K/D at all in any way or form. The games looked a hell of allot better though. TN looks like [redacted] period and not up to 2k14 standards.

<sigh>
-- stahlhart

 

[bystander36]

I am a bit better than average and going from a TN panel to an IPS did not hinder my K/D at all in any way or form. The games looked a hell of allot better though. TN looks like shit period and not up to 2k14 standards.

And what model was your TN panel?

 

[I/O]

And what model was your TN panel?

Samsung TN 1MS response. Now have LG IPS 5Ms response and it's way better and there's no ghosting or lag.

 

[skipsneeky2]

Screen looks pretty sweet, would be a waste to use i guess without considering some sli 780s at least. Doubt anyone is gonna be using the 60 or 120hz modes with gsync.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

I am a bit better than average and going from a TN panel to an IPS did not hinder my K/D at all in any way or form. The games looked a hell of allot better though. TN looks like shit period and not up to 2k14 standards.

a bit better than average is a bit better than mediocre, since when was this monitor targeting "a bit better than" mediocre gamers?

there are already tons of monitors available and perfectly suitable for casual gamers like yourself, you're not adding much to the conversation here other than revealing your own ignorance and mediocre gaming aptitude.

Samsung TN 1MS response. Now have LG IPS 5Ms response and it's way better and there's no ghosting or lag.

he asked for a model not a brand, there are plenty of TN panel monitors that are slow (i.e. doesn't matter if the panel is 1ms if the monitor has tons of input lag and is only 60Hz)

 

[I/O]

a bit better than average is a bit better than mediocre, since when was this monitor targeting "a bit better than" mediocre gamers?

there are already tons of monitors available and perfectly suitable for casual gamers like yourself, you're not adding much to the conversation here other than revealing your own ignorance and mediocre gaming aptitude.

Why so hasty implying that I am ... "mediocre" and a ... "Causal gamer" ? Then you proceed to elude to and call me ignorant and a "mediocre gamer" LOL. Stop trolling me man this is uncalled for.

he asked for a model not a brand, there are plenty of TN panel monitors that are slow (i.e. doesn't matter if the panel is 1ms if the monitor has tons of input lag and is only 60Hz)

That conversation is non of your concern. Please stop trolling me sir.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Why so hasty implying that I am ... "mediocre" and a ... "Causal gamer" ? Then you proceed to elude to and call me ignorant and a "mediocre gamer" LOL. Stop trolling me man this is uncalled for.

mediocre is synonymous with average, so you effectively called yourself mediocre...no need to imply anything

and the fact that you are abhorrently dismissive about TN is an obvious indicator of your ignorance on the subject matter here, and seems quite clear that you've never used a LMB or likely not even 120+Hz monitor before.

That conversation is non of your concern. Please stop trolling me sir.

1. it is of my concern because I'm interested in what experience (or rather lack thereof) you may have with a truly fast monitor, merely claiming a TN panel on a samsung tells us almost nothing when there are dozens if not hundreds of possibilities.

2. if you want a conversation to be private you should probably avoid a public forum, take it to PMs

3. I'm not trolling you, the accusation is unappreciated

 

[I/O]

mediocre is synonymous with average, so you effectively called yourself mediocre...no need to imply anything

and the fact that you are abhorrently dismissive about TN is an obvious indicator of your ignorance on the subject matter here, and seems quite clear that you've never used a LMB or likely not even 120+Hz monitor before. ...

Your abhorrent behavior is appalling and I am sure it is against the forum code of conduct. That's said let's move forward without the trolling please.

TN panels are old tech with no benefit to 99% of end users today. IPS is just the better panel tech.

 

[blackened23]

Well given the strong opinions against this monitor from non NV users in this thread, i'm convinced that this monitor will sell TONS of units. That's what usually happens, right? Kinda reminiscent of the 680 launch. Whatever has the most ahem, anti product controversy ends up being a runaway success at etail. Now that would be pretty funny.

Whatever man. Use your IPS all day long. Pretty sure bunny owns an IPS panel, as do I, but TN is not any different than IPS in anything other than color accuracy and viewing angles, with monitor electronics quality being equal. You can buy crap TNs or crap IPS panels and you get what you pay for. But all things being roughly equal, color accuracy and viewing angles is what IPS gives you. Now when i'm doing productuvity related things, I like IPS quite a bit. If I want to play games, lightboost is undeniably better in motion. By a mile. Lightboost blows IPS away for fast paced gaming, anyone stating otherwise simply hasn't used one. But whatever floats your boat. By all means if you love IPS use IPS. I don't see the need to argue. Basically they both have their pros and cons. TN is better at some things, and by the way, the TN panel used in the swift is very high quality with full 8 bit panel. As I said though, just enjoy your IPS and stop arguing.

Essentially, every panel type be it IPS, TN or VA or AMVA has pros and cons and anyone thinking that any of the above is perfect needs their head examined. IPS is good but it certainly isn't the perfect end all be all. It's better at some things and worse at others.

 

[I/O]

Well given the strong opinions against this monitor from non NV users in this thread, i'm convinced that this monitor will sell TONS of units. That's what usually happens, right?

I am an nvidia user. I am not banking on unproven and un field tested tech such as [G-Sync]. I rather not test the waters cause from my research [FreeSync] does the exact same thing without the need for expensive proprietary hardware investments. Really only time will tell how this story play's out.

Whatever man. Use your IPS all day long. Pretty sure bunny owns an IPS panel, as do I, but TN is not any different than IPS in anything other than color accuracy and viewing angles. Now when i'm doing productuvity related things, I like IPS quite a bit. If I want to play games, lightboost is undeniably better in motion. By a mile. Lightboost blows IPS away for fast paced gaming, anyone stating otherwise simply hasn't used one. But whatever floats your boat. By all means if you love IPS use IPS. I don't see the need to argue. Basically they both have their pros and cons. TN is better at some things, and by the way, the TN panel used in the swift is very high quality with full 8 bit panel. As I said though, just enjoy your IPS and stop arguing.

I find light boost to be yet another useless proprietary gimmick. IPS is the best image quality and that's what matters most IMHO. Not some proprietary gimmicks that will not last the test of time when other "FREE" open standard options come out like DP 1.2 etc.

Please properly identify what you're discussing and avoid deliberately inflammatory text.
-- stahlhart

 

[toyota]

I am an nvidia user. I am not banking on unproven and un field tested tech such as [G-sync]. I rather not test the waters cause from my research [FreeSync] does the exact same thing without the need for expensive proprietary hardware investments. Really only time will tell how this story play's out.



I find light boost to be yet another useless proprietary gimmick. IPS is the best image quality and that's what matters most IMHO. Not some proprietary gimmicks that will not last the test of time when other "FREE" open standard options come out like DP 1.2 etc.

IPS can have some horrible glow issues. and that great image quality turns into a bit of blurry mess when panning the mouse around in a game. I hate TN even worse though so that why I am using an IPS for now. its sad that we have no better monitor technology at this point.

 

[bystander36]

Samsung TN 1MS response. Now have LG IPS 5Ms response and it's way better and there's no ghosting or lag.

I did ask for model, but based on your response, I can only assume it was some generic low end TN panel.

 

[I/O]

I did ask for model, but based on your response, I can only assume it was some generic low end TN panel.

It was a Samsung 226BW. I am just glad I don't have to put up with the crap viewing angles anymore.

 

[blackened23]

I am an nvidia user. I am not banking on unproven and un field tested tech such as [G-Sync]. I rather not test the waters cause from my research [FreeSync] does the exact same thing without the need for expensive proprietary hardware investments. Really only time will tell how this story play's out.



I find light boost to be yet another useless proprietary gimmick. IPS is the best image quality and that's what matters most IMHO. Not some proprietary gimmicks that will not last the test of time when other "FREE" open standard options come out like DP 1.2 etc.

lol, just, lol. LOL. No point even attempting to have a meaningful discussion here. Ignore list updated.