Sure bud so good of you to explain your opinions .lol, just, lol. LOL. No point even attempting to have a meaningful discussion here. Ignore list updated.
no, IPS isn't "just the better panel tech", its engineered to deliver superior performance for certain aspects, but in doing so falls short in others; the fact of the matter is that its too slow and expensive to where TN will always have place until something else entirely comes along that can do what IPS and/or TN cannot.TN panels are old tech with no benefit to 99% of end users today. IPS is just the better panel tech.
its curious you can come to this conclusion whenI find light boost to be yet another useless proprietary gimmick.
motion clarity is part of image quality. While IPS can have the undeniably best static color accuracy and viewing angles as verified by measurement, the same is true of TN when it comes to motion clarity as verified by measurementIPS is the best image quality and that's what matters most IMHO.
G-Sync is one thing, LMB is another, of which AMD has never had any sort of official support or responsibility for (and Freesync does not have a counter for ULMB), although as I mentioned before it is a feature that can be built into the monitor and be indifferent to GPU vendor. At any rate, LMB is something that IPS is too slow for, and ULMB mode built into the G-Sync module is going to be a major selling point of this monitor for non casual gamers, hence ASUS's choice to go with TN.Not some proprietary gimmicks that will not last the test of time when other "FREE" open standard options come out like DP 1.2 etc.
a 7 year old 60Hz monitor, its beginning to make senseIt was a Samsung 226BW. I am just glad I don't have to put up with the crap viewing angles anymore.
TN is almost Phased out. The only reason it my still be used is to lower cost. If after a faster response CRT is still the gold standard.no, IPS isn't "just the better panel tech", its engineered to deliver superior performance for certain aspects, but in doing so falls short in others; the fact of the matter is that its too slow and expensive to where TN will always have place until something else entirely comes along that can do what IPS and/or TN cannot.
TN is almost Phased out. The only reason it my still be used is to lower cost. If after a faster response CRT is still the gold standard.
Well given the strong opinions against this monitor from non NV users in this thread, i'm convinced that this monitor will sell TONS of units. That's what usually happens, right? Kinda reminiscent of the 680 launch. Whatever has the most ahem, anti product controversy ends up being a runaway success at etail. Now that would be pretty funny.
Whatever man. Use your IPS all day long. Pretty sure bunny owns an IPS panel, as do I, but TN is not any different than IPS in anything other than color accuracy and viewing angles, with monitor electronics quality being equal. You can buy crap TNs or crap IPS panels and you get what you pay for. But all things being roughly equal, color accuracy and viewing angles is what IPS gives you. Now when i'm doing productuvity related things, I like IPS quite a bit. If I want to play games, lightboost is undeniably better in motion. By a mile. Lightboost blows IPS away for fast paced gaming, anyone stating otherwise simply hasn't used one.
not even closeTN is almost Phased out.
this is why its not only "almost phased out" but still very prevalent, and being on the order of a magnitude faster than IPS will probably guarantee its existence in monitors targeting motion clarity until LCD tech in general is supplanted by something elseThe only reason it my still be used is to lower cost.
speaking of technologies that are actually phased out...If after a faster response CRT is still the gold standard.
Another downside of this monitor or the G-sync module in general is that it doesn't have a built in scaler, which would be necessary for DVI and other interfaces.
Whatever man. Use your IPS all day long. Pretty sure bunny owns an IPS panel, as do I, but TN is not any different than IPS in anything other than color accuracy and viewing angles, with monitor electronics quality being equal. You can buy crap TNs or crap IPS panels and you get what you pay for. But all things being roughly equal, color accuracy and viewing angles is what IPS gives you.
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TN is better at some things, and by the way, the TN panel used in the swift is very high quality with full 8 bit panel. As I said though, just enjoy your IPS and stop arguing.
Another downside of this monitor or the G-sync module in general is that it doesn't have a built in scaler, which would be necessary for DVI and other interfaces. They dropped it to achieve low input lag (~ 5ms).
Generally this is a compatibility issue of course for Intel and AMD hardware. Also being stuck on a 2K resolution would be unfortunate, with fullHD being the standard and 4K the follow up.
Although I suspect that scaling is something that the graphics card has to do from now on. Now that the industry finally has figured out how to push frames directly to the display.
At this point I don't even know if it is possible at all to select and render a game in 1080p or in 4-to-1 pixel scaling 720p, even just to see how 144 FPS looks like.
not even close
LOL not enough to make a difference to most users.this is why its not only "almost phased out" but still very prevalent, and being on the order of a magnitude faster than IPS
So we've got reviews that say it is an awesome monitor with a few issues, but nothing horrible. We've got a forum member who has used the monitor, and his only caveat is viewing angles.
Then we have this kid, who has never used the monitor, telling us it is "some crappy gaming monitor".
Hmm... Who to believe?!
Another downside of this monitor or the G-sync module in general is that it doesn't have a built in scaler, which would be necessary for DVI and other interfaces. They dropped it to achieve low input lag (~ 5ms).
Generally this is a compatibility issue of course for Intel and AMD hardware. Also being stuck on a 2K resolution would be unfortunate, with fullHD being the standard and 4K the follow up.
Although I suspect that scaling is something that the graphics card has to do from now on. Now that the industry finally has figured out how to push frames directly to the display.
At this point I don't even know if it is possible at all to select and render a game in 1080p or in 4-to-1 pixel scaling 720p, even just to see how 144 FPS looks like.
GPUs can do scaling natively. It's not necessary for monitors to have scalers.
I am an nvidia user. I am not banking on unproven and un field tested tech such as [G-Sync]. I rather not test the waters cause from my research [FreeSync] does the exact same thing without the need for expensive proprietary hardware investments. Really only time will tell how this story play's out.
freesync has only been demonstrated once on a laptop computer using a display control interface (LVDS) unsupported by desktop monitors and graphics cards, and once on a monitor which was hacked with custom firmware to enable partial support.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHNIo-1NJzcwait a minute, so you're saying that the product that is officially released (i can buy it right now if i want to) and has been tested, reviewed, and used -- G-Sync -- is unproven and "un field tested" compared to FreeSync, which hasn't been released, hasn't been reviewed, and hasn't been tested.
Yeah the price is step but when you consider how much you pay for living, health care, vacations, and so forth it is easily affordable. I just spent double of that amount for a week of beach vacation. One week. This display would probably suit me for 5 years or longer.
G stink demo did the same LOL. Have fun buying into nvidia snake oil when the same can be had over any Display Port. I pain's me to see how people do not see that G Sink is just another way for nvidia to push needed hardware.yep, i mentioned this demo in my earlier post. this is the monitor of unknown make/model being demonstrated hands-off with a one-time demo application (not running a game or common benchmark application), using custom firmware written by amd. in addition, as Mand mentioned, the demo runs at a fixed 40fps and does not vary. g-sync has been proven to work in many many more varied, difficult, and realistic scenarios than this.
edit: also, when i say "tested" and "reviewed" i mean something like this or this or anandtech's own g-sync review. that notably excludes the demo you posted above, which i have already addressed.
G stink demo did the same LOL. Have fun buying into nvidia snake oil when the same can be had over any Display Port. I pain's me to see how people do not see that G Sink is just another way for nvidia to push needed hardware.
G stink demo did the same LOL. Have fun buying into nvidia snake oil when the same can be had over any Display Port. I pain's me to see how people do not see that G Sink is just another way for nvidia to push needed hardware.
Or, if you don't believe them, you could believe AMD, who stated that their goal for pushing for FreeSync and adoption of a VESA standard was to encourage hardware suppliers to do the necessary product development. Oh, wait, why would they need to do development if it's already included in DP?This not 'ASUS official' - it's just a bit of background info on the machinations of product development to help our fans understand more. We love all our partners equally and wish only the best consumer choiceOriginally Posted by Antronman
You know any monitor that can get the G-Sync upgrade already has VBlank enabled, which means it is freesync compatible, right?
No. It's not the same. It needs to be enabled in firmware, drivers, ICs.
Having an 'industry standard' is only a first step. It doesn't suddenly make everyone jump onboard unfortunately. Now VESA is onboard though, things will get rolling, but it will not likely be fast.
Also, this doesn't take into account LCD/display companies are already deeply invested in 'more popular' technologies with more extensive market applications: 21:9, touchscreen, 4K, curved displays etc (remember they are not gamers).
Adaptive refresh needs a ASIC display IC physical redesign, not just a firmware update. This means silicon redesign, tape out, manuf, testing, firmware - the lot. AFAIK that's typically 12 months FROM NOW to get it on our hands (but I dont work for IC companies, so I dont know their roadmaps) - let alone 6 more months of product dev work to actually make a retail display. And that's all IF display IC manuf. decided to update for 1.2a, and not just wait for 1.3 (business speak: If company bean counters ask "why would you pay for two updates, when 1.2a rolls into 1.3 anyway?" how do you justify it?)
Not just display ICs, but LCD firmwares and GPU drivers too. AMD will obv support it, Intel has yet to publicly commit to any of it (go ask them), and Nvidia is (so far) backing its own solution as it is also yet to officially comment (again, go talk to them).
I expect Nvidia has been working on GSync for a year+ before they showed it last Nov - remember they use an FPGA not ASIC IC, so time to market is faster, but FPGAs are v.v.expensive. And 9 months after first show we're only now just getting ready to ship hardware. That's the kind of timescales we're looking at. So anyone thinking any display manuf. will magically pop out a display to compete with Gsync this year is mistaken: my educated guess is that GSync is your only choice until very likely well into 2015.
Short term:
Until further notice we are committed to GSync and PG278Q, as logically it's the only market ready technology. Given our close working relationship with Nvidia, we're hugely confident that PG278Q will still be the best possible GSync LCD on the market.
Medium term:
ASUS is standards agnostic: Freesync/GSync - we will work with all parties and investigate everything (that's no commitment either way). At the very least, this VESA 1.2a/1.3 will give great consumer choice!
Long term:
Will GSync and Freesync ultimately converge? Who knows. That bridge is ~years away.
I'd love to see a standard adaptive refresh monitor that's GPU agnostic (as we make all AMD/Intel/NV hardware), but that's long long term. If you bought PG278 this year, whatever happens in 'long term' will likely be your replacement!
as i mentioned earlier, it cannot be had over any displayport. amd stated that most monitors on the market today do not have the correct controllers to manipulate vblank intervals, and that hardware upgrades would be required to implement freesync on the monitor side. please explain how this is different from the hardware required to implement g-sync.
"AMD is using Adaptive Sync it to demonstrate that existing panels and scalers already exist that are capable of variable refresh, and that retail monitors should not require significant/expensive technology upgrades."
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8129/computex-2014-amd-demonstrates-first-freesync-monitor-prototype