Asus Rog Swift PG278Q

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96Firebird

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Since when is a 1440 panel costlier than a 4K?

Considering it is the only 8bit 1440p out there, I'd say low production quantities is a contributing factor. If ASUS is the only manufacturer using these panels, they have to pay quite a bit more to source them. Kinda like how most 16:10 monitors are quite a bit more expensive than an equivalent 16:9 monitor.

If you think $800 is a fair price that's fine. Get a Titan-Z while you're at it to drive it if you want too.

I think the best option for me is something like the ROG for gaming (although I'm not spending that much) and another IPS monitor (such as the Dell U2412M) for photo editing.

I'm not even sure how you jumped to this conclusion, probably emotions. Because I don't think this monitor is overpriced, I should just get a TitanZ?
 

bystander36

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You suppose?

What does it matter if you aren't seeing faint afterglow if the object you're looking at is chopped in half?

Yes, I suppose you could view that as a motion clarity issue. When talking about motion clarity, tearing isn't usually the topic. I suppose you can view it that way, however.
 

Mondozei

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Sweclockers have a very thorough review up at their site.

Reading through it all on Google Translate is probably a bit clunky but the summary is pretty doable.

One thing to note, though: their desktop monitor reviewer is a specialist on said topic and he is typically very demanding and a bit of a TN-hater. So for him to give the desktop flying colors and give it the best award that can be given(essentially 10/10), one of the few in Sweclockers' history, is a big testament to the quality of the monitor.

Still, with Adaptive Sync-monitors around the corner, I'm betting ASUS will release a similar model - but probably at a lower price point - next year and render this monitor superflous as both Nvidia and AMD GPUs can use that tech.

And finally, this is yet another nail to the coffin that all TN-panels are terrabad. There are plenty of very high quality TN-panels coming out now such as the ones on Samsung's and Asus' 4K panel and now this.

Perception is slow to change though. People cling to their old myths.
 

yours truly

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I've just stuck an order in for one at £593 (£40 off and 2% cashback at dabs)

There's no stock at the moment so will have to wait it out for a bit. I hope G Sync is all its cracked up to be as I don't think my 2GB 670 SLI will be enough for 144hz gaming but it should be enough for CS:GO.

Don't know what to do with my VG278HE. With its terrible backlight bleed I wouldn't dare sell it. I might have to palm it off to my mum.

If I get it soon, I will report back..
 

Cookie Monster

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Im getting very tempted to get one of these monitors.... trying to shrug off the itchy trigger finger

Would like to hear back from some of you guys who already ordered theirs in!
 

RubyX

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So I got my Swift two days ago... first impressions:
You can definitely tell it's a TN, there's no getting around the brightness shifts on such a big panel. Depending on how you adjust it, you can have the bottom be really bright or the top be really dark. It's less noticable in games though.

I found G-Sync to be a rather subtle effect, but that's fine - you get the advantages of V-Sync without the disadvantages. Nothing wrong with that, just wasn't particularly mindblowing.

Unlike ULMB: My jaw just about dropped to the floor when I tried that out. Motion literally looks as clear as a CRT. Though of course, you need to actually hit consistently high fps to make good use of it (and you can't use G-Sync at the same time).
 

3DVagabond

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So I got my Swift two days ago... first impressions:
You can definitely tell it's a TN, there's no getting around the brightness shifts on such a big panel. Depending on how you adjust it, you can have the bottom be really bright or the top be really dark. It's less noticable in games though.

I found G-Sync to be a rather subtle effect, but that's fine - you get the advantages of V-Sync without the disadvantages. Nothing wrong with that, just wasn't particularly mindblowing.

Unlike ULMB: My jaw just about dropped to the floor when I tried that out. Motion literally looks as clear as a CRT. Though of course, you need to actually hit consistently high fps to make good use of it (and you can't use G-Sync at the same time).

Cool that you actually have one. I hope you enjoy it. :thumbsup:
 

BrightCandle

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Mine was delayed to 18th August, supply is really limited. Its a real shame. I suspect by the time it's properly available we will be seeing freesync, whereas it should have been out 6-12 months before.
 

omeds

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Looks like the best gaming display ever produced from all accounts, and what I was expecting. It's on my purchase list.
 

Grooveriding

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So I got my Swift two days ago... first impressions:
You can definitely tell it's a TN, there's no getting around the brightness shifts on such a big panel. Depending on how you adjust it, you can have the bottom be really bright or the top be really dark. It's less noticable in games though.

I found G-Sync to be a rather subtle effect, but that's fine - you get the advantages of V-Sync without the disadvantages. Nothing wrong with that, just wasn't particularly mindblowing.

Unlike ULMB: My jaw just about dropped to the floor when I tried that out. Motion literally looks as clear as a CRT. Though of course, you need to actually hit consistently high fps to make good use of it (and you can't use G-Sync at the same time).

Thanks for that. The marketing and hype train really seemed to have swept away some expectations.

Sounds like what I expected; a great monitor if your primary metric of concern is your perceived level of motion blur.
 

bystander36

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Thanks for that. The marketing and hype train really seemed to have swept away some expectations.

Sounds like what I expected; a great monitor if your primary metric of concern is your perceived level of motion blur.

That said, when things are super hyped, it is hard not to be let down, but he did notice it was definitely smoother, just not up to what he expected. I thought the same way when I first played at 120hz, but I couldn't possible play at 60hz again, now that I've grown accustomed to it.
 

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It's curious how there isn't a rush from display manufacturers to flood the market with G-sync monitors. Wouldn't it be nice to sell a bunch of 2K / fullHD monitors now then sell 4K some years down the line? Isn't this also a great opportunity to separate the market for TVs and monitors once again, with the chance to sell both to the consumer?

Last I've read there were 6 models planned for Q3,2014 including 24" 1080p panels, some of which even have been reviewed already.
 
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bunnyfubbles

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It's curious how there isn't a rush from display manufacturers to flood the market with G-sync monitors. Wouldn't it be nice to sell a bunch of 2K / fullHD monitors now then sell 4K some years down the line? Isn't this also a great opportunity to separate the market for TVs and monitors once again, with the chance to sell both to the consumer?

Last I've read there were 6 models planned for Q3,2014 including 24" 1080p panels, some of which even have been reviewed already.

wow, didn't even know there were 6 different companies producing a G-Sync model. Although not so surprised as thats likely a global figure.

In NA we have, realistically, only 3 widely available brand options for 120Hz + Lightboost, and that's ASUS, BenQ, and Acer. There are other options if you want to settle for for 120/144Hz without LMB, as there are some options from AOC/Phillips, and then there's the even more obscure Eizo "240"Hz monitor, so we're not exactly seeing the kind of precursor market that would suddenly lend itself for a boom in G-Sync adoption

I think most manufacturers are aware of the average PC user rather settling on some ~$130 POS monitor, and that there's just not enough demand to "flood the market" with $300+ G-Sync displays

I will say that I am a bit surprised that there aren't more higher end options, just the 1440p144 ASUS and the 4K Acer, as it seems that's precisely where G-Sync can have the most dramatic impact, not that pushing 1080p to 144 is easy...
 

Mondozei

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(citation needed)


There are zero product announcements. There are zero hardware partner announcements.

Hahahaha!

Vesa has added it in DP 1.2a. We are looking at the earlieat announcements Q4 this year and most likely H1 next year. The only reason holding people back is the standardization issue from Vesa. Ignorance is hilarious

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avx81

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I have the PB278Q and loving that monitor. If I did not already have that I would so pick up this one. Personally I'm going to wait for asus to release a good affordable 4k monitor for around the same price before I jump in. From what I have heard 4k monitors should be going down in price next year. Asus ROG 4k monitor. DO IT. I know about PB287Q but waiting for something a little nicer to come out.
 
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kasakka

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I have the PB278Q and loving that monitor. If I did not already have that I would so pick up this one. Personally I'm going to wait for asus to release a good affordable 4k monitor for around the same price before I jump in. From what I have heard 4k monitors should be going down in price next year. Asus ROG 4k monitor. DO IT. I know about PB287Q but waiting for something a little nicer to come out.

Might be a long wait, if you'd like things that make the PG278Q ([redacted] your confusingly similar names ASUS!) great. 4K with 120 or 144 Hz might not be available until a few years later.

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BrightCandle

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AFAIK there isn't a standard out yet for that the bandwidth necessary to support 4k @120+ hz. So the issue is that no one can make such a monitor because the cable standards don't support it yet. So its going to be a really long while before we see it, at least a year or more and that is on the assumption there is going to be a 120hz update for 4k resolutions added to the standards for DP 1.3.
 

know of fence

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For owners of this monitor, I'd like you to make some tests without preconceived notions and compare the results of 40/60/90/120 framerates in Gsync and the ULMB mode.

Sadly high framerates come with strings attached! First they about double(120/60) and tripple (144/48) the time a pixel spends in transition. Second the screen also has to be scanned from top to bottom twice or thrice more often, which takes longer than the grey to grey pixel switching time. You can see the scanning wobble, a kind of gradual tearing of the screen on slow motion cameras.
In other words effectively every monitor has a certain percentage of downtime, in which it doesn't show useful frames but transitional states. This downtime is incrased the more transitions occur.
A monitor with a response time of 1ms and a refresh of 1000Hz would just show blur as soon as something is moving, there would be no time left to actually display a color.

A Gsync monitor benefits from reduced latency that comes with the ability to display the frame the minute it is rendered, but dialed back to 40, 60 or an optimal FPS rate that has yet to be dermined, it may introduce less artifacts and less blur, than a 120Hz monitor. Just by simply spending less time in those transitional phases.

This may be preferable to the eyestraining fakery of ULMB backlight strobing, which simply blacks out the transitional phases.
 
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MathMan

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Sadly high framerates come with strings attached! First they about double(120/60) and tripple (144/46) the time a pixel spends in transition.
Not necessarily.
Monitors have stuff like trace-free which uses overdrive to get to the desired color quicker. This overdrive can be different for different refresh rates: it's only normal to use more aggressive overdrive for 120Hz than for 60Hz.
So it's not correct that the relative time in transition is doubled or tripled: that would only be the case if the absolute transition time is the same as well. But there is no reason for that to be the case.

Second the screen also has to be scanned from top to bottom twice or thrice more often, which takes longer than the grey to grey pixel switching time. You can see the scanning wobble, a kind of gradual tearing of the screen on slow motion cameras.
In other words effectively every monitor has a certain percentage of downtime, in which it doesn't show useful frames but transitional states. This downtime is incrased the more transitions occur.
If the effective gray-to-gray of monitor after overdrive is, say, 2ms, then you still have plenty of time at 144Hz to get to the point where you need to be. That'd be the case for fast TN panels like in the Swift.
But even for slow panels where GtG takes longer than the refresh rate, it's still not disastrous: if it were, then those over-clocked Korean monitors (which have a gray-to-gray that is quite a bit longer than the 8.3ms, would be useless. Why then are people buying them?

There are two reasons for this:
1. The color doesn't have to be precise for us to be able to see something useful: it's fine if it's a bit off. And the transition from one gray to the next happens in an exponential matter, rapid at first, then slower. Even if the color is quite right when the next refresh arrives, it's already going to be at, say, 90%, which is more than enough.
2. Many color transitions are not worst-case black to white: if the top of screen is showing a blue sky with clouds, moving left to right isn't going to result in major fluctuations of those pixels. Maybe going from blue180 to blue230. For such small transitions, 8.3ms should be plenty to got close to the desired value.

Basically: the downtime you're talking about simply doesn't exist.

A Gsync monitor benefits from reduced latency that comes with the ability to display the frame the minute it is rendered, but dialed back to 40, 60 or an optimal FPS rate that has yet to be dermined, it may introduce less artifacts and less blur, than a 120Hz monitor. Just by simply spending less time in those transitional phases.
There's absolutely no way that GSYNC running at lower refresh rate is going to be better at blur than 120Hz ULMB. None.

This may be preferable to the eyestraining fakery of ULMB backlight strobing, which simply blacks out the transitional phases.
The backlight strobing isn't there to black out transitional phase. It's there to prevent the monitor from displaying content at the wrong location: a fast moving object on the screen without backlight strobing will be shown at the wrong location for the vast majority of the time. With strobing, that amount of time is reduced dramatically. That's what's reducing the blur. It has nothing (or at least very little) to do with transition time: even on super fast TN panels with 1ms transition, you will still have massive blurring at 60Hz even though transition is only a fraction of the refresh time.
There are 2 components to blur: transition time and correct location. You don't solve blur by fixing the first parameter alone. You have to fix the second one too. That's what strobing is doing for you.
 

bunnyfubbles

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AFAIK there isn't a standard out yet for that the bandwidth necessary to support 4k @120+ hz. So the issue is that no one can make such a monitor because the cable standards don't support it yet. So its going to be a really long while before we see it, at least a year or more and that is on the assumption there is going to be a 120hz update for 4k resolutions added to the standards for DP 1.3.

DP1.3 should be able to do it, IIRC, its supposed to support 8K, dual 4K, or 4K 3D, so 4K120 should be covered, the bandwidth will certainly be there.
 
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