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That was a lie, and it has been proven to be a lie.
How was it a lie ? I could also say that the hardware nvidia forces you to buy to run "Adaptive Sync" is a lie a big fat proprietary money stealing lie. This is called snake oil sales marketing tactics or simply put "Selling ice cubes to an Eskimo".
 
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It was a lie in the sense that it isn't true, and AMD knows that it's not true, and they themselves backed away from the lie after being pressed on it by a tech reporter.

G-Sync is not a lie. It does what it does, and for what it does Nvidia and monitor manufacturers ask you to pay for it. What, exactly, is the lie?

Nice to know you conveniently ignored actual sources on whether new hardware is required, though. Why risk contradicting your beliefs by reading actual facts?
 

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It was a lie in the sense that it isn't true, and AMD knows that it's not true, and they themselves backed away from the lie after being pressed on it by a tech reporter.

G-Sync is not a lie. It does what it does, and for what it does Nvidia and monitor manufacturers ask you to pay for it. What, exactly, is the lie?

Nice to know you conveniently ignored actual sources on whether new hardware is required, though. Why risk contradicting your beliefs by reading actual facts?

You don't have any sources just your biased personal opinion. I don't trust anyone that is on the nvidia cool aid LOL.

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You don't have any sources just your biased personal opinion. I don't trust anyone that is on the nvidia cool aid LOL.

I do have a source, I quoted it in this thread. You ignored it.

If you're really interested in this, use the forum search function and read the existing threads on it. I'm not going to repost the same arguments just because you're new.

And, for the record, I have an AMD card, not Nvidia.
 

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"AMD is using Adaptive Sync it to demonstrate that existing panels and scalers already exist that are capable of variable refresh, and that retail monitors should not require significant/expensive technology upgrades."

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8129/computex-2014-amd-demonstrates-first-freesync-monitor-prototype

edit: this whole discussion is way way way way way off-topic, i'll stop now.

so why are we waiting until 4q14-1q15 for freesync supported monitors? amd's freesync faq mentions "No proprietary display hardware requirements (e.g. custom control boards or ASICs)", which implies there is no "g-sync module" equivalent for freesync. however, on that very same page they also write, "However, dynamic refresh rate technologies like Project FreeSync depend on robust LCD panels capable of utilizing a wide range of refresh rates without demonstrating visual artifacts. Such LCD panels naturally cost more to manufacture and validate, potentially making them economically unsuitable for ​especially cost-conscious monitor SKUs." in addition, amd reps have warned users that firmware updates for existing monitors are most likely not going to happen and that investments in new hardware will be required to take advantage of the feature -- only monitors which support dp1.2a adaptive sync will support freesync. while some current monitors have the necessary hardware, even amd believes the majority of those monitors will not get the necessary firmware update.

so while there's no proprietary amd-created board required to support freesync, the monitor's controller needs to have specific support for a specific feature. amd already expects freesync monitors to have a premium price in accordance with their inclusion of a premium feature. explain how this is different than the situation with g-sync monitors, please.

i suppose i should also take this time to point out that freesync dynamic refresh rate only works with video games on r9 and r7 cards, while cards down to the 5000 series only support static variable refresh rates for video playback. this is in contrast to g-sync, which works in all cases on all 600 and 700 series cards but has no support on older cards at all.

it sounds to me like you're disparaging g-sync for no reason whatsoever, going as far as to ignore its technical benefits when confronted with empirical measurements of said benefits while parroting the similar, but unspecified, benefits of a technology which is half a year from customer availability and has not been tested by any reliable technology review group. the current state of affairs between g-sync and freesync is that g-sync is out, people have it, and people use it every day and say it's pretty good. freesync is not out, nobody has it besides the developers working on it, and every single piece of information we have about freesync is a statement from amd without any corroborating data. even the demos that amd ran aren't as convincing as nvidia's g-sync demos, and not nearly as convincing as the actual g-sync users who have shared their actual experiences using g-sync to play video games.
 
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I do have a source, I quoted it in this thread. You ignored it.

If you're really interested in this, use the forum search function and read the existing threads on it. I'm not going to repost the same arguments just because you're new.

And, for the record, I have an AMD card, not Nvidia.
You linked to an Asus forum LOL not a neutral unbiased reputable source such as PCPER.
 

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You linked to an Asus forum LOL not a neutral unbiased reputable source such as PCPER.

So, you'd believe PCPER if they quoted the guy I quoted, but not believe the guy I quoted?

Seriously?

This is a hardware rep. Talking about what hardware would be required for Asus to make a FreeSync monitor. That's as direct as it gets.
 

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So, you'd believe PCPER if they quoted the guy I quoted, but not believe the guy I quoted?

Seriously?

This is a hardware rep. Talking about what hardware would be required for Asus to make a FreeSync monitor. That's as direct as it gets.
Asus just buy scalers and panels, assemble them in a chassis and frame and boom there's a monitor. Hardly the definitive source of info you make them out to be.
 

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However, dynamic refresh rate technologies like Project FreeSync depend on robust LCD panels capable of utilizing a wide range of refresh rates without demonstrating visual artifacts. Such LCD panels naturally cost more to manufacture and validate, potentially making them economically unsuitable for ​especially cost-conscious monitor SKUs."

So adding in a $300 proprietary piece of hardware is "economically suitable" ?

in addition, amd reps have warned users that firmware updates for existing monitors are most likely not going to happen and that investments in new hardware will be required to take advantage of the feature
New hardware ? You mean DP 1.2a which is a generic open standard like USB 3.0 not a proprietary piece of vendor locked hardware.

-- only monitors which support dp1.2a adaptive sync will support freesync. while some current monitors have the necessary hardware, even amd believes the majority of those monitors will not get the necessary firmware update.

You skewed the words there a bit. AMD stated that it is up the vendor to provide a firmware update not AMD for the currently on the market that could in theory be flashed to support this technology.

so while there's no proprietary amd-created board required to support freesync, the monitor's controller needs to have specific support for a specific feature. amd already expects freesync monitors to have a premium price in accordance with their inclusion of a premium feature. explain how this is different than the situation with g-sync monitors, please.

DP 1.2a is not a premium feature it is an open standard for display connectivity.

i suppose i should also take this time to point out that freesync dynamic refresh rate only works with video games on r9 and r7 cards, while cards down to the 5000 series only support static variable refresh rates for video playback. this is in contrast to g-sync, which works in all cases on all 600 and 700 series cards.

Not a deal breaker IMHO. It's high time people upgrade from 5xxx series anyway. Same could be said for users on 5xx series and below.

it sounds to me like you're disparaging g-sync for no reason whatsoever,

Just the fact that it requires vendor locked and expensive auxiliary hardware investments on the end users part. GPUs from nvidia are already very expensive and now they want us to spend even more on hardware that has not even been proven to be absolutely necessary to run the Adaptive Sync open standard. Time will tell if it actually is.
 

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How was it a lie ? I could also say that the hardware nvidia forces you to buy to run "Adaptive Sync" is a lie a big fat proprietary money stealing lie. This is called snake oil sales marketing tactics or simply put "Selling ice cubes to an Eskimo".

You don't have any sources just your biased personal opinion. I don't trust anyone that is on the nvidia cool aid LOL.

Warning issued for inflammatory language.
-- stahlhart

You linked to an Asus forum LOL not a neutral unbiased reputable source such as PCPER.

What a familiar, insanely abrasive posting style. Looks like our favorite Half Life hero has returned for the third(fourth?) time. Registered just to thread crap and troll from your very first post heh.

How have you been Gordon?! :awe:
 
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On topic what is the MSRP of this panel ? Can't seem to fins any of Newegg.
 

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Exactly. As has already been stated, this high price is simply because ASUS has reached the market first. As soon as competitors deliver models with equivalent features, prices will go down (just as thry have akready done for 4K, by the way)
 

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On topic what is the MSRP of this panel ? Can't seem to fins any of Newegg.

No offense but can you please Google this kind of thing before jumping in to Page 13 of a thread with such a basic question? I know the OP doesn't state the MSRP, but mere seconds of Googling takes you to pages like this one from Anandtech, which you should ideally have read anyway before posting.

Thank you.
 

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On topic what is the MSRP of this panel ? Can't seem to fins any of Newegg.
$insane.

i wouldn't buy it, but i will surely buy the next gen of GSync monitors, because i can't justify the extra $500 over a Lightboost model.

still, if you reeeealy love FPS games..
 

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Some more amazing facts... from the Asus FAQ

Menu: What is OD?

OD = Overdrive. It overdrives the pixel response rate and can be Off, Normal or Extreme.

  • It cannot be used in conjunction with ULMB
  • It can be used in conjunction with G-Sync
TFT Central didn't measure G2G with Overdrive off at 120 Hz... Though it's 6.9 ms average at 144 Hz, which is quite a long time for a 8.3 ms frame. At least now I understand why there is an option to further shorten the already fairly narrow strobe pulse, gotta fit into a 1.4 ms window.

Image shows maximum strobe strength at 120 Hz, dotted lines at 5ms apart.

 
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$insane.

i wouldn't buy it, but i will surely buy the next gen of GSync monitors, because i can't justify the extra $500 over a Lightboost model.

still, if you reeeealy love FPS games..

Most 27 inch 1080p lightboost panels are around 450-500$, and you're saying that this is 500$ more? 500$ more than what?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-375-_-Product

You're comparing the price of a 24 inch 1080p panel? Well golly gee, a smaller screen and lower resolution is less expensive. This panel is 1440p + 8 bit, and yeah it's expensive. You can certainly exercise your option to not buy it, but your 500$ over for lightboost is simply wrong. Number one, there is no other 1440p lightboost panel, and this has g-sync as well. It also covers the full adobe RGB spectrum with 8 bit color. Not that color accuracy matters for games, but it's there. If you want a low resolution 1080p lightboost screen, they're in the 450-500 ballpark.
 
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Another downside of this monitor or the G-sync module in general is that it doesn't have a built in scaler, which would be necessary for DVI and other interfaces. They dropped it to achieve low input lag (~ 5ms).
that's not strictly a downside, its a tradeoff as losing connectivity grants the ability to have a faster/higher resolution monitor

Generally this is a compatibility issue of course for Intel and AMD hardware.
well, there's almost no reason to want this monitor with Intel, their iGPUs are nowhere near fast enough to drive 1080p60 let alone 1440p144.

and the monitor can still work on Intel/AMD hardware, but a big chunk of the money is for G-Sync so it would be kind of silly to buy this monitor without already intending to use an nVidia GPU. For those who simply do not want to do that, there are alternative options like BenQ's Z series or Ezio's FG2421, and hopefully it will just be a matter of time before we see competitive 1440p monitors that can do 120+Hz and have stroboscopic feature. (no point wishing for 4K 120+Hz until DisplayPort 1.3)

Also being stuck on a 2K resolution would be unfortunate, with fullHD being the standard and 4K the follow up.
1. consumer 4K really isn't 4K, its just used for marketing, (should have just called it 4X because its 4x1080p)
2. when we consider that fact, 2560x1440 is also a "4X" as its 4x720p, and hardly a resolution to scoff at.
3. its hard enough to push 1080p above 100fps for modern titles, let alone 1440p.
4. the monitor is targeting games, not media, for media IPS and VA are going to be far more desirable choices due to superior viewing angles/black levels
5. 4K for the sake of 4K content is going to be gimmick for several more years because TV broadcasts are still only 720p/1080i and bluray is also only 1080p and there is no obvious physical medium successor to Bluray, leaving digital delivery as the only clear solution in the future...of which most current 4K streaming is streamed out at a bitrate much lower than that of Bluray, sort of defeating the purpose of higher resolution.

So by the time there is a wide availability of 4K content, we're likely to have DispalyPort 1.3 and a 4K120 version of this monitor. Not that we'd really want to use the monitor for viewing media if its still using a TN panel.



Well then why if you look on Newegg that there are only TN 4K display's and TN 120/44Hz gaming monitors .... ? I will tell you why it's because TN is faster for the gaming monitors and cheaper for the 4K panels so as to bring them to market at real world prices. The rest of the monitors are cheap crap quality panels and I even seen a 17" model LOL.
are you ESL?

you basically reiterated and agreed with my point that was refuting yours...

yes, TN are cheap to manufacture which is why we see so many of them still and is why they aren't close to be phased out

yes, TN are much faster than IPS which is why we see them in all but one (a VA panel, not IPS) 120+Hz option, and is why they'll be here for the foreseeable future even if cost of IPS production advances to a level where it completely negates any of TN's cost of production advantage.

LOL not enough to make a difference to most users.
most is not all, we've already established you lie somewhere below the exceptional, these fast monitors are not for you, and there are plenty of people who do not share your misguided opinion, so there is still a market for these monitors

TN has really craptastic viewing angles and it's a deal breaker for most including this guy his name is Wendal you might have heard of him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSmR0hqLDiE&index=44&list=UUNovoA9w0KnxyDP5bGrOYzg
these are the same guys who gained their notoriety by trying to convince us that AMD was just as good for gaming, champions of the casual gamer

Oh geez you can get a 4K TN panel for less.
and none of them are anywhere near as fast



$insane.

i wouldn't buy it, but i will surely buy the next gen of GSync monitors, because i can't justify the extra $500 over a Lightboost model.

still, if you reeeealy love FPS games..
this is just the first and most extreme of the G-Sync monitors slated to arrive soon, there will be plenty of 1080p options, although we don't know how those will be priced. Currently the 1080p ASUS G-Sync compatible monitor goes for $250-275 and the module costs $200 on its own, and the few vendors willing to assemble it for you are selling it for ~$500, so that's not particularly encouraging. I'd wager the ground up G-Sync units will be less, as they won't be designed as monitors without it, and the cost of G-Sync will also be less to the manufacturer, however I'd guess we're probably looking at ~$400 for a 24" 1080p G-Sync model when their current G-Sync-less counterparts are going for ~$300 or less. But I could be wrong, we'll have to wait and see.
 

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Jesus,
People are acting like someone is going to MAKE them buy this damn monitor.
Look, if you don't like Nvidia, don't like the price, don't like the vendor lock-in then FINE- Don't buy the monitor!

Personally, I'm happy that Nvidia has actually implemented GSync and brought it to market- is $800 (plus another ~$400 to upgrade my 560s finally) more than what I wanted to spend? OF COURSE it is, but i CHOOSE to pay this premium to be one of the first to check out what I think will be a very cool technological doo-hickey.
 

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Yeah it doesn't make sense. This is a technology forum where people are swapping out parts and overclocking CPU's and GPU's for sometimes marginal improvements. Asus bring a genuinely interesting product to market and some people are just yapping like dogs, barking for the sake of barking.

We get it, you don't like TN panels and nothing will change your mind. Good. Keep playing the waiting game for something better..
 
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