AT Barcelona previews are up

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Viditor
My point in this is that any predictions of Agena's performance are "just hoping/speculating", no matter which way that speculation goes.

You seem to be implying that there exists a threshold of knowledge which is required to be gained before one is capable of making predictions, but not speculations, but that this required knowledge is not the same thing as knowing the precise answer.

Viditor honestly I don't know why you come to threads just to post pointless comments to the tune of "well until you have 100% of the data, and know precisely the answer, you can't really make a prediction about its performance..."

It's a prediction, its what you do in the absence of having the precise data from which you would know the answer.

If predicting did not involve speculating then it would not be called predicting, it would be called knowing.

Or have I got you wrong still. Tell us what data you require to know about Phenom before you would allow yourself to stoop so low as to make a prediction about Phenom's performance? A full-blown AT review?

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: Viditor
My point in this is that any predictions of Agena's performance are "just hoping/speculating", no matter which way that speculation goes.

You seem to be implying that there exists a threshold of knowledge which is required to be gained before one is capable of making predictions, but not speculations, but that this required knowledge is not the same thing as knowing the precise answer.

Viditor honestly I don't know why you come to threads just to post pointless comments to the tune of "well until you have 100% of the data, and know precisely the answer, you can't really make a prediction about its performance..."

It's a prediction, its what you do in the absence of having the precise data from which you would know the answer.

If predicting did not involve speculating then it would not be called predicting, it would be called knowing.

Or have I got you wrong still. Tell us what data you require to know about Phenom before you would allow yourself to stoop so low as to make a prediction about Phenom's performance? A full-blown AT review?

I see that you didn't read the rest of the post...my post was in response to

If you cannot conclusively show how it's going to happen then admit that you are just hoping/speculating

So the answer is yes...you have got me wrong still.

To be clearer...what I was saying is that if you're going to speculate, then speculate in BOTH directions. If you need conclusive proof, then speculation is pointless as we are still dealing with hypotheticals.

 

[jones377]

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: Viditor
My point in this is that any predictions of Agena's performance are "just hoping/speculating", no matter which way that speculation goes.

You seem to be implying that there exists a threshold of knowledge which is required to be gained before one is capable of making predictions, but not speculations, but that this required knowledge is not the same thing as knowing the precise answer.

Viditor honestly I don't know why you come to threads just to post pointless comments to the tune of "well until you have 100% of the data, and know precisely the answer, you can't really make a prediction about its performance..."

It's a prediction, its what you do in the absence of having the precise data from which you would know the answer.

If predicting did not involve speculating then it would not be called predicting, it would be called knowing.

Or have I got you wrong still. Tell us what data you require to know about Phenom before you would allow yourself to stoop so low as to make a prediction about Phenom's performance? A full-blown AT review?

I see that you didn't read the rest of the post...my post was in response to

If you cannot conclusively show how it's going to happen then admit that you are just hoping/speculating

So the answer is yes...you have got me wrong still.

To be clearer...what I was saying is that if you're going to speculate, then speculate in BOTH directions. If you need conclusive proof, then speculation is pointless as we are still dealing with hypotheticals.

I'll settle for any explanation that isn't designed to obfuscate or change the subject.. BTW I'm constantly amazed of your ability to show that you are always right, even when you are wrong

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: jones377

I'll settle for any explanation that isn't designed to obfuscate or change the subject.. BTW I'm constantly amazed of your ability to show that you are always right, even when you are wrong

I think I'll pass on the explanation...you win, go get your trophy.
I too am amazed that the only contributions you've made to any of the Barcelona threads has been to try and pick apart something I've said (i.e. my name is in all of your posts)...I feel real warm and fuzzy inside! :wine:
Thanks for all the hard work...

 

[Phynaz]

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: jones377

I'll settle for any explanation that isn't designed to obfuscate or change the subject.. BTW I'm constantly amazed of your ability to show that you are always right, even when you are wrong

I think I'll pass on the explanation...you win, go get your trophy.
I too am amazed that the only contributions you've made to any of the Barcelona threads has been to try and pick apart something I've said (i.e. my name is in all of your posts)...I feel real warm and fuzzy inside! :wine:
Thanks for all the hard work...

Perhaps he is just trying to prevent the spreading of mis-information. Statements made on forums can be misconstrued as fact very easily.

 

[IEC]

I'd like to have the crystal balls that everyone seems to have. Look, it's the future!

I will reserve judgment until I have actual shipping products in hand and can compare apples to apples. In the meantime I'm running a C2D (E2140) @ 2.0GHz @ 1.000V

 

[Nemesis 1]

I am with you I really do hope that K10 is at least = to penryn clock for clock . As intel will lower prices even further as they will be on the 45nm process.

I must admitt tho with the benchies shown so far its not looking good. Now weather or not those K10's were broken or not . Right now is spectulation. Unless AMD has put out offical word that they sent out broke systems to tested.

The fact that AT's system broke at the end wasn't good either on a server system. From what I have seen Intels server/ desktop cpu's perform =. Same as AMD's server /desktop on K8 perform =.

So one must wait and see . But the min. I read ATs article . I new that people would hype K10 desktop > than K10 server.

So I can wait to see Phenom befor I lol. I hope the hype is true but me doubts very much.