AT fermi review is up!

[Rebel44]

470 and 480 have few extra % of performance but when you add extra power and noise fom 470 and 480, I wouldnt pay for them more than for 5850 and 5870.

 

[psychoticdream]

Why isnt he already permabanned?

you know that little chihuahua that keeps barking and just threatens to bite you even tho it knows it cant and you can easily punt him clear across the continent?

he's entertaining like that

 

[SlowSpyder]

I kinda feel sorry for Nvidia. They must of known this would be a let down a long time ago and they've obviously tried their best to cover the holes.

Power draw is a lesser issue for me but I'm not going near these cards for the noise at load more than anything else.

Oh well, at least it's out (general feeling I think). Nvidia will be licking their wounds and come back with a stormer of a card to follow it up.... I'm looking forward to future battles.

Anyone going to (pre)order one btw??

p.s. In AT's review sounds like someone got their fingers burnt on the heatpipe... Ouch!

There is a reason they released this thing on a Friday night and the CEO of Nvidia sold 150,000 shares to stock recently...

 

[solofly]

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/radeon-fermi-gf100-5970-5870,10000.html

How is everyone doin' tonight...

Who's watching UFC tomorrow night...(ME!)

 

[deputc26]

I think the most significant record set was # of users on the VC+G forum.

 

[crisium]

So I wonder if the GTX 490 will be the 512 Shader model. No way they are getting 2 GPUs with Fermi, at least not until the revision.

 

[HurleyBird]

I find it funny that the focus group that was so busy hyping only a day ago is now deathly silent.

Looking at you keys, you were leading me on for awhile into thinking Fermi would be awesome. Glad I got my 5870 at launch.

 

[SlowSpyder]

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/radeon-fermi-gf100-5970-5870,10000.html

How is everyone doin' tonight...

Who's watching UFC tomorrow night...(ME!)

AMD doesn't sound too concerned. Nvidia has released their parts, and they have some serious flaws despite better performance. AMD has an entire line up out, Nvidia has two paper launched parts. Some months from now things may be different, but if I were AMD I would certainly not be worried.

I'm getting the fights tomorrow. Some good match ups for sure.

 

[happy medium]

What really got my attention was the minimum framerates the gtx cards were getting vs the Ati cards in the anandtech review.
That was the most impressive thing about the cards in my eyes.

The second thing that caught my eyes was the prospect of better performance in future games that utilize tessallation and direct x 11. The gtx card seem to have that well covered.

The gtx 480 was only 5db louder then the 4890. I thought the 4890 was a great card.

Other then that, I thought the cards performed well ,but as usual Nvidia cards are a little exspensive for there performance.

Just like last round but late to the fight. but I think these cards have good potential for a long 12 round fight with a knockout. I think it depends on how the game developers use tessalation and direct x 11.

Overall not overly impressed.

 

[GaiaHunter]

The architecture seems good - although its weird it drops in relative performance has the resolution increases.

At an engineering level is a mess.

 

[happy medium]

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/radeon-fermi-gf100-5970-5870,10000.html

How is everyone doin' tonight...

Who's watching UFC tomorrow night...(ME!)

Just got done playing the xbox 360 version (UFC) with my brother. Great game man!

 

[Apocalypse23]

I kinda feel sorry for Nvidia. They must of known this would be a let down a long time ago and they've obviously tried their best to cover the holes.

Oh well, at least it's out (general feeling I think). Nvidia will be licking their wounds and come back with a stormer of a card to follow it up.... I'm looking forward to future battles.

I doubt there's going to be a comeback for Nvidia this time, ATI should already be revving some harsh processing power in their labs at this time. I predict another ATI doubling in performance sometime in early to mid 2011...

 

[cbn]

What really got my attention was the minimum framerates the gtx cards were getting vs the Ati cards in the anandtech review.
That was the most impressive thing about the cards in my eyes.

I didn't see minimum frame rates measured in the Anandtech review?

Or is this another review you are talking about?

 

[happy medium]

I doubt there's going to be a comeback for Nvidia this time, ATI should already be revving some harsh processing power in their labs at this time. I predict another ATI doubling in performance sometime in early to mid 2011...

You think there refresh will double there performance? Na! 20% mabe.

 

[cbn]

Just like last round but late to the fight. but I think these cards have good potential for a long 12 round fight with a knockout. I think it depends on how the game developers use tessalation and direct x 11.

I agree. Once Nvidia refines their manufacturing process Fermi will probably be a very efficient design.

Of course, At the same time ATI has been working on their next design for the last 6 months.

 

[Dark4ng3l]

I agree. Once Nvidia refines their manufacturing process Fermi will probably be a very efficient design.

Of course, At the same time ATI has been working on their next design for the last 6 months.

It's TSMCs process anyways and the more it gets refined the more it helps ATI as well so it's not like get ahead while ATI stays put.

 

[happy medium]

I didn't see minimum frame rates measured in the Anandtech review?

Or is this another review you are talking about?

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3783&p=9

Bottom of page.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3783&p=14

Bottom of this page.

 

[psychoticdream]

It's TSMCs process anyways and the more it gets refined the more it helps ATI as well so it's not like get ahead while ATI stays put.

yeah thats true but its also NVIDIA's design
they could have done like ATI and redesign the chip but they refused to do that thanks to their marketing dept

 

[cbn]

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3783&p=9

Bottom of page.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3783&p=14

Bottom of this page.

I see the minimums on the first link. Yes, that is impressive. I wonder how much of that is due to 1 GB VRAM being a limiting factor?

 

[happy medium]

It's TSMCs process anyways and the more it gets refined the more it helps ATI as well so it's not like get ahead while ATI stays put.

I can see ATI making a 5890 clocked at 1000 core with faster ddr5,but thats a refresh not a whole new design. It still will have the same sp count and features.
But I think that they will hit a wall at this point.
A 1000 core 5870 would probrobly = a gtx 480 with 480 sp's.

A refreshed gtx card could scale much higher (then 600/700 core) and give more performance and more sp's (512).

For me I think I'm gonna crossfire my card for 150$ and wait a little.

 

[happy medium]

I see the minimums on the first link. Yes, that is impressive. I wonder how much of that is due to 1 GB VRAM being a limiting factor?

The lead is at all resolutions not just high res.!! So no its not ram.

Read the bottom of the second link...It mentions minimums....Waterfall or something like that.

 

[MrK6]

I agree. Once Nvidia refines their manufacturing process Fermi will probably be a very efficient design.

Of course, At the same time ATI has been working on their next design for the last 6 months.

It's TSMCs process anyways and the more it gets refined the more it helps ATI as well so it's not like get ahead while ATI stays put.

Both great points. After reading more reviews, I'm likening this release to that of the HD2900XT. While Fermi has more consistent performance, it's still too expensive, too hot, and too loud for what it does. However, I do think their are the seeds of a decent architecture in there. The HD2900XT eventually gave us AMD's 4xxx and 5xxx series, which both were and still are fantastic. Couple the Fermi architecture with some refining and a process shrink or two and you might see a great gaming card in the future. On the flip side, AMD's "Northern Islands" architecture is supposed to be coming as soon as the end of this year, so who knows. Things still could be interesting .

 

[Dark4ng3l]

I can see ATI making a 5890 clocked at 1000 core with faster ddr5,but thats a refresh not a whole new design. It still will have the same sp count and features.
But I think that they will hit a wall at this point.
A 1000 core 5870 would probrobly = a gtx 480 with 480 sp's.

A refreshed gtx card could be could scale much higher (then 600/700 core) and give more performance and more sp's (512).

For me I think I'm gonna crossfire my card for 150$ and wait a little.

Well if they decide to up the voltage to the point where the power and heat is close to the 480 they can beat it fairly easily. That card is burning hot and it has the best stock cooling system I remember seeing on a reference card anyways. Nvidia went balls out on the voltage to get their cards where they are whereas ATI has been more reasonable. I would think that they have plenty of headroom if they are willing to go close to 470 TDP.

 

[cbn]

Both great points. After reading more reviews, I'm likening this release to that of the HD2900XT. While Fermi has more consistent performance, it's still too expensive, too hot, and too loud for what it does. However, I do think their are the seeds of a decent architecture in there. The HD2900XT eventually gave us AMD's 4xxx and 5xxx series, which both were and still are fantastic. Couple the Fermi architecture with some refining and a process shrink or two and you might see a great gaming card in the future. On the flip side, AMD's "Northern Islands" architecture is supposed to be coming as soon as the end of this year, so who knows. Things still could be interesting .

To me the major difference between Nvidia and ATI is that Nvidia has already made its architectural change. We are still waiting on ATI to do the same.

So next round we could see Nvidia catch up as it only needs to do process tech refinements for 28nm. ATI, on the other hand, needs or plans to do both architecture and process.

P.S. With APUs designed the way they are (high GPU power relative to memory bandwidth), I would expect ATI to go heavy on tessellation for N. Islands discrete cards.

 

[SHAQ]

Aren't these the highest clocking Nvidia cards? The 480 is Oc'ing in the 800+ range and the 470 is close to 750. I had to overvolt the 8800GT just to get it close to 750.