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Supposedly Dirt 2 and BF:BC2 are going to get a driver update to increase framerates soon (from xtremesystems forums).

I have even heard of 5850's getting to 1090 core on air which is a 50% increase. 1000 mhz seems common and thats like a 35% oc.
 

MegaWorks

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I think all they were looking for is to have the faster card. The rest will come later.

Anyhow, there's no reason to even upgrade if you have a higher end DX10 part like a GTX260 or similar really.

Well I have a GTX 260 and I was looking for an upgrade, but now I don't know! I was hoping for prices to drop thanks to the GTX 480 but I think this is out of the question!
 

cmdrdredd

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Well I have a GTX 260 and I was looking for an upgrade, but now I don't know! I was hoping for prices to drop thanks to the GTX 480 but I think this is out of the question!

Yeah, no reason to upgrade to anything really. I mean take a look at the games, none of them are unplayable and none of the games coming soon look really impressive. It's too much money for too little difference in overall performance.
 

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Some thoughts. Just got done reading the AT review. These are some random thoughts. I'll probably post more as I read the reviews from other sites to get a better impression of the card.

The GTX 480 at 10-15% more performance over a Radeon 5870 is definitely a win. I'm just not sure that nVidia has anything to brag about when the GTX 480 costs $100 more than a Radeon 5870. And we still don't know what the availability will be so the price difference could be much higher at retail. And that's not counting the folks who would have to buy a better PSU to support this beast.

On the other hand the GTX 470 seems like a competitively priced product. Enough to say they are in the "same" price though the GTX 470 does have a lower MSRP at this point. Wins a few but mostly loses to the Radeon 5870 but the losses are close enough that it is not a huge deal. The real Fermi winner is the GTX 470 at this point. The problem for the GTX 470 is that the Radeon 5850 is close to it in performance...and much cheaper.

As mentioned I'm rather surprised at the minimum frame rates that Fermi is getting though. This should definitely provide a smoother experience from two cards with similar average frame rates if one has a much higher minimum. From that perspective the "real" gaming experience of a GTX 470 might match the Radeon 5870.

I really think the Fermi issues causing them to lower clock speeds as well as reduce the SP's have bitten nVidia in the arse. It went from a case of "opening up a can of whoop ass" to "whoop do doo" after six months of waiting.
 
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Well I have a GTX 260 and I was looking for an upgrade, but now I don't know! I was hoping for prices to drop thanks to the GTX 480 but I think this is out of the question!

Just grab a 5850. Some places have them for ~$260.

It has plenty of power for all the dx11 games. I play mostly Bad Company 2, AvP and Dirt 2 on my PC nowadays and have to say the 5850 is the best value card i've bought in years.
 

toyota

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Yeah, no reason to upgrade to anything really. I mean take a look at the games, none of them are unplayable and none of the games coming soon look really impressive. It's too much money for too little difference in overall performance.
I wish people would stop saying that. it really depends on the settings and res you are playing and what games you want to play. Cryostasis, BC 2, STALKER Call of Prypit, Clear Sky, Metro 2033, AvP and probably a few others are all pretty demanding for a gtx260 if you want to run the higher settings with a decent framerate.
 

cmdrdredd

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Just grab a 5850. Some places have them for ~$260.

It has plenty of power for all the dx11 games. I play mostly Bad Company 2, AvP and Dirt 2 on my PC nowadays and have to say the 5850 is the best value card i've bought in years.

Better to buy nothing IMO. Especially for gaming right now...the economy is utter shit right now and $260 is a lot of money atm.

The 3 games you mentioned aren't compelling reasons for me to say DX11 is worth it. In fact, I'd put that $260 toward a console first.
 

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I don't understand all the bashing. If they gave you one for free, I'm sure you'd all want it.

and I'd take it directly to ebay, and use the cash to get a new i7, mobo, and RAM (and keep my 5850).
 

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I've stared at the SLI power consumption for minutes and it never gets old ahahaha



851 Watts!!!

IT NEVER GETS OLD
 

cmdrdredd

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I wish people would stop saying that. it really depends on the settings and res you are playing and what games you want to play. Cryostasis, BC 2, STALKER Call of Prypit, Clear Sky, Metro 2033, AvP and probably a few others are all pretty demanding for a gtx260 if you want to run the higher settings with a decent framerate.

They're playable. VERY playable. That's what matters. The games you mentioned ALL SUCK TOTAL ASS!!!!! We don't have a Half Life 2 type game that is utterly amazing and a must buy.

Stop talking about shitty games as if you should spend $300+ to play it.
 

MagickMan

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Supposedly Dirt 2 and BF:BC2 are going to get a driver update to increase framerates soon (from xtremesystems forums).

I have even heard of 5850's getting to 1090 core on air which is a 50% increase. 1000 mhz seems common and thats like a 35% oc.

Yup, mine will do 1090 on air, but it becomes a leaf blower. In fact, at that speed it sounds like a 480.
 

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I wish people would stop saying that. it really depends on the settings and res you are playing and what games you want to play. Cryostasis, BC 2, STALKER Call of Prypit, Clear Sky, Metro 2033, AvP and probably a few others are all pretty demanding for a gtx260 if you want to run the higher settings with a decent framerate.

Ok you're right toyota I had to lower my resolution to 1280x1024 to play Max decently with Both Stalkers and Metro 2033.
 

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They're playable. VERY playable. That's what matters. The games you mentioned ALL SUCK TOTAL ASS!!!!! We don't have a Half Life 2 type game that is utterly amazing and a must buy.

Stop talking about shitty games as if you should spend $300+ to play it.

In for another HL2 type drug. Metro2033 is a great experience if ya like games IMO, same for BFBC2 and also Stalker COP.
 

cmdrdredd

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In for another HL2 type drug. Metro2033 is a great experience if ya like games IMO, same for BFBC2 and also Stalker COP.

No, I've tried them and honestly...I hated them. Mass Effect 2 was the last game I enjoyed on the PC. They all play the same, shooters are so damn boring anymore.
 

happy medium

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They're playable. VERY playable. That's what matters. The games you mentioned ALL SUCK TOTAL ASS!!!!! We don't have a Half Life 2 type game that is utterly amazing and a must buy.

Stop talking about shitty games as if you should spend $300+ to play it.

??? BC2 and Metro 2033 are very good games that recieved very good reviews. What are you talking about?
And a 5870 cant even play Metro 2033 at high settings @ 1650x1050.

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,...Fermi-performance-benchmarks/Reviews/?page=13

And the 5850/5870 gets 3 fps in the same game @ 1900x1080!
 

Attic

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No, I've tried them and honestly...I hated them. Mass Effect 2 was the last game I enjoyed on the PC. They all play the same, shooters are so damn boring anymore.


Fair enough. I liked Mass Effect 2 as well.
 
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Better to buy nothing IMO. Especially for gaming right now...the economy is utter shit right now and $260 is a lot of money atm.

The 3 games you mentioned aren't compelling reasons for me to say DX11 is worth it. In fact, I'd put that $260 toward a console first.

Oh dx11 isnt why i think the 5850 is worth it. Its the fact it runs them flawlessly at high res and 4xAA with max settings. I bought it cheapo too. Different people enjoy different games.. but to me, BC2 is THE game of 2010 as i've been clocking plenty of hours on MP already. I enjoy the BF series of games, as i upgraded ages ago for BF2 and again for BF:BC2.

But you are right, is it worth it for valve games, l4d:1/2, tf2.. no, IGP are enough for those. I run them on my crap laptop at "work". If you enjoy console gaming, by all means go for it. But my PC platform is still supreme for the few MP games that i and many ppl play.

Edit: it seems to me you just dont enjoy these types of games. plenty of people do and as to whether its worth upgrading, i think it definitely is. A gtx260 is showing its age nowadays. $260 isn't much if you have a job.
 
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toyota

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They're playable. VERY playable. That's what matters. The games you mentioned ALL SUCK TOTAL ASS!!!!! We don't have a Half Life 2 type game that is utterly amazing and a must buy.

Stop talking about shitty games as if you should spend $300+ to play it.
no they arent for most people that want to use decent settings. I dont care if YOU think those games are shitty because most of those are very good games.
 

cmdrdredd

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no they arent for most people that wont to use decent settings. I dont give a rats ass if you think those games are shitty because most of those are very good games.

Are not...read any review. All utter shit reviews...probably because nobody puts money into making decent PC games anymore. Just roll out generic shooter crap and hope it sells.
 

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What a disappointment after a 6 month wait. I had hoped that the 470 would put some downward price pressure on the 5850, but it looks like the 5850 remains quite competetive at $320 and needn't move anywhere. Bah.

- wolf
 

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??? BC2 and Metro 2033 are very good games that recieved very good reviews. What are you talking about?
And a 5870 cant even play Metro 2033 at high settings @ 1650x1050.

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,...Fermi-performance-benchmarks/Reviews/?page=13

And the 5850/5870 gets 3 fps in the same game @ 1900x1080!

4xAA is of questionable use, DOF should be turned off (50% perf hit)

5870 can run Metro at 19x12 if due consideration is given to settings

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/metro-2033_4.html#sect1
"The more affordable Radeon HD 5870 is good up to the resolution of 1920x1200, so it is going to feel even more comfortable in computers with Full-HD monitors (1920x1080). We’d call the Radeon HD 5870 the ideal choice for playing Metro 2033."
 

cmdrdredd

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??? BC2 and Metro 2033 are very good games that recieved very good reviews. What are you talking about?
And a 5870 cant even play Metro 2033 at high settings @ 1650x1050.

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,...Fermi-performance-benchmarks/Reviews/?page=13

And the 5850/5870 gets 3 fps in the same game @ 1900x1080!

The reviews haven't been very convincing to me. It's $50 to spend and honestly there's a lot of stuff I could do with $50 besides average games.
 

cmdrdredd

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Oh dx11 isnt why i think the 5850 is worth it. Its the fact it runs them flawlessly at high res and 4xAA with max settings. I bought it cheapo too. Different people enjoy different games.. but to me, BC2 is THE game of 2010 as i've been clocking plenty of hours on MP already. I enjoy the BF series of games, as i upgraded ages ago for BF2 and again for BF:BC2.

But you are right, is it worth it for valve games, l4d:1/2, tf2.. no, IGP are enough for those. I run them on my crap laptop at "work". If you enjoy console gaming, by all means go for it. But my PC platform is still supreme for the few MP games that i and many ppl play.

Edit: it seems to me you just dont enjoy these types of games. plenty of people do and as to whether its worth upgrading, i think it definitely is. A gtx260 is showing its age nowadays. $260 isn't much if you have a job.

$260 is a lot to anyone job or no. Don't be a fucking elitist with me. Maybe you live off a trust fund or something. PC gaming isn't fun for me. It's not fun for a lot of people I know. Shooter games are not cool with me anymore. I want something else. Sadly none of the PC games that have been released have been more than shooters. I'd rather spent that $260 on something more worth my time.

The #1 problem with PC gamers is their inability to not act elitist when it comes to money.
 
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