AT Mobile Kaveri CPU Performance Preview

[erunion]

The 19w SKUs are the ones that matter. 35w is a legacy product for gaming laptops.

AMDs previous 17W SKUs never materialized, so it will be interesting to see if this is the first generation that succeeds. It will also be interesting to see why AMD chose 19W over 17W/15W, and if they can go as thin as HSW ULV.

 

[Shivansps]

But wait, FX7600P are not going in ultrabooks, no idea of why they dediced to test it vs a ULV cpus with so many M avalible and cheaper.

 

[frozentundra123456]

oh come on, ultrabooks and the like are about the package [ssd, ips fhd displays, metal chassis, high end finish] and less about absolute performance. Hell most of the time these ultrabooks throttle themselves down into oblivion because of the available cooling[or lack of...]

I would only consider Kaveri for gaming. At 799.00 you are making way, way too many compromises in gaming performance compared to intel plus discrete. For instance Lenovo routinely has laptops with full on quad core intel i7 processors and low/mid range discrete cards for 800.00, or 900 to 1000 with 1080p.

Right now they have a 15.6 inch, Y510 1080p model with i7 and GT 755M for 900.00, and
a 14 inch Y 410p for 799.00, but only 768p.

 

[Fox5]

Very nice! It is matching or beating intel's equivalent in standard workloads and obliterates intel's equivalent in 3D, gaming and OpenCL.

No wonder OEM's are lining up with new mobile Kaveri designs: Acer, Asus, HP, Lenovo, Samsung, Toshiba, and more.

HP's EliteBooks are ready to go with top of the line features.





http://www.cnet.com/news/hp-elitebooks-to-ship-with-new-amd-kaveri-mobile-apu/

So AMD equipped EliteBooks on the market before intel equipped EliteBooks?

Well done HP!

Too expensive. For a 15" notebook, AMD needs to be under $600 or Intel + a discrete gpu has them beat.
This is AMD's competition:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16834314383
The cpu roughly matches them, and the discrete GPU (their own gpu) will outperform these solutions.
Based on current Richland based solution prices, ~$500 is about right for AMD's top of the line APU. Give me an HD touch screen and $600 is ok, $700 with an SSD.

CPU limited. Kaveri is matching the discrete GPU in the MSI GX60.

 

[Vesku]

Too expensive. For a 15" notebook, AMD needs to be under $600 or Intel + a discrete gpu has them beat.
This is AMD's competition:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16834314383
The cpu roughly matches them, and the discrete GPU (their own gpu) will outperform these solutions.
Based on current Richland based solution prices, ~$500 is about right for AMD's top of the line APU. Give me an HD touch screen and $600 is ok, $700 with an SSD.




CPU limited. Kaveri is matching the discrete GPU in the MSI GX60.

Only niche I see for Kaveri in terms of mobile gaming is possible crossfire configurations. Instead I think something like this as a good Kaveri candidate when it comes to the $600 range:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16834314433

1600x900 HD4000, Kaveri has the potential for a better experience.

 

[erunion]

AMD better hope not. No way I would pay over 600.00 for Kaveri. At 500 dollars it is a deal, 600 maybe, but not more than that.

I'm confident it was AMDs idea. There is a reason kaveri has the FX brand. AMD is no longer giving away the big core APUs, they want to get paid accordingly for their large die size. We wont see Kaveri in craptops, those will be cat cores.

A10 7850k costs $179 on newegg, while the FX 8350 is $189.
Until recently AMD sacrificed margins for market share, now the pendulum is swinging the other way.

 

[frozentundra123456]

The FX branding is a joke actually, compared to what it used to mean. Kind of like a muscle car after the 70s oil crysis and pollution controls. They may keep the name, but it is a shadow of what it used to be, i.e. top of the line, dominating performance.

 

[erunion]

I know it looks funny after seeing the video game's name so many time, but its actually spelled crisis.

just friendly fyi.

 

[frozentundra123456]

I know it looks funny after seeing the video game's name so many time, but its actually spelled crisis.

just friendly fyi.

Knew it didn't look right. Must bar time to get some sleep.

 

[TrulyUncouth]

I would only consider Kaveri for gaming. At 799.00 you are making way, way too many compromises in gaming performance compared to intel plus discrete. For instance Lenovo routinely has laptops with full on quad core intel i7 processors and low/mid range discrete cards for 800.00, or 900 to 1000 with 1080p.

Right now they have a 15.6 inch, Y510 1080p model with i7 and GT 755M for 900.00, and
a 14 inch Y 410p for 799.00, but only 768p.

I agree they are getting into too high of a price bracket with that, unless the other specs are up to par. One thing I will say since I very recently shopped for and bought a gaming laptop: Those Lenovo's laptops are more just desktops with batteries since they don't support optimus and have bad battery life.

I personally ended up with a refurb ASUS ROG laptop that cost more simply because it had working optimus. Unless Lenovo has fixed it then they are a very odd value proposition.

I could use one more light-gaming laptop and would consider a top-end kaveri at ~600 with a 1080p screen. Anything more and I will be waiting for the next update or Braswell

 

[AtenRa]

but that is a flawed comparison, the vaio has super aggressive downclocking.

His commend was based on those results, i just pointed out how fast Mobile Kaveri really is.

And yes i didnt like the review, i would really like to see the performance of the 19W TDP Kaveri against those 15W TDP Haswell's. But its seams we will have to wait for actual products to hit retail in order to have better reviews.

ps: I dont know about you but i find those 15W TDP HD4400 performance really lacking. Look how close the 15W TDP Kabini with a single Memory controller is in most of the games. I really dont understand how people believe that Intel is catching up on the iGPU even in Mobile.
Im sure the 19W TDP Kaveri (384 cores) will be way faster even against 15W TDP HD5000.

 

[IntelUser2000]

AtenRa, that's what we mean by that the Vaio Pro 13s are thermally constrained.

The Vaio Pro 13 is at the bottom of the pile.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-4400.91979.0.html

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7047/the-haswell-ultrabook-review-core-i74500u-tested/7

Bioshock Infinite Value: 17.4(+19%)
Metro Last Night Value: 15.4(+58.8%)
Tomb Raider Value: 24.6(+22.4%)

The 19W probably ends up at the level of A10 Richland.

 

[AtenRa]

AtenRa, that's what we mean by that the Vaio Pro 13s are thermally constrained.

The Vaio Pro 13 is at the bottom of the pile.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-4400.91979.0.html

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7047/the-haswell-ultrabook-review-core-i74500u-tested/7

Bioshock Infinite Value: 17.4(+19%)
Metro Last Night Value: 15.4(+58.8%)
Tomb Raider Value: 24.6(+22.4%)

The 19W probably ends up at the level of A10 Richland.

Core i7 4500U has higher base and turbo frequency than Core i5 4200U, it has 4MB L3 Cache vs 3MB L3 cache and the iGPU can also turbo to 1.1GHz vs 1GHz on the Core i5 4200U. It also cost $100+ more ($393 vs $281)

If im not mistaken, Sony VAIO Pro 13(Core i5 4200U) only has a single memory Dimm and that is the reason for its low iGPU performance and not because of throttling.

 

[IntelUser2000]

The reviews all show dual channel memory. Go search in Google. Come on: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7417/sony-vaio-pro-13-exceptionally-portable

Check other reviews as well from Notebookcheck. Dell XPS 12 is based on the i5-4200U and the Vaio Duo 13 is also based on that same chip. Both are significantly faster than the Vaio Pros. The XPS 12 is nearly 2x the performance in Starcraft 2 Med settings compared to the Vaio Pro.

The Duo 13 does even better in Bioshock Infinite with 20.6 fps.

Core i7 4500U has higher base and turbo frequency than Core i5 4200U, it has 4MB L3 Cache vs 3MB L3 cache and the iGPU can also turbo to 1.1GHz vs 1GHz on the Core i5 4200U. It also cost $100+ more ($393 vs $281)

You don't look at reviews do you?

Core i5 vs i7 makes a minimal difference in the big picture, because things like proper circuit design, memory channels, and thermals play a significantly greater role.

Phoronix's review also showed that enabling the L3 cache was responsible for 20% difference in performance. If 20% is the difference between 8MB and zero, you think 4MB and 3MB will make anything more than low single digits?

http://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/laptops/sony-vaio-pro-13.aspx

Acer Aspire S7-391-9886: Ivy Bridge
Dell XPS 13(2013): Ivy Bridge
Toshiba Kirabook: Ivy Bridge

Funny thing, the Vaio Pro 13 is the only Haswell in the review but performs like Ivy Bridge.

Look at this review: http://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/laptops/lenovo-thinkpad-x1-carbon-2014.aspx

All the other Haswell Ultrabooks(3 which are all Core i5 4200U) get 800-900 points in 3DMark11 but you see the Vaio Pro 13(which is the only out of the 4 that uses Core i7 4500U) at the corner with 600...

 

[AtenRa]

Look at this review: http://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/laptops/lenovo-thinkpad-x1-carbon-2014.aspx

All the other Haswell Ultrabooks(3 which are all Core i5 4200U) get 800-900 points in 3DMark11 but you see the Vaio Pro 13(which is the only out of the 4 that uses Core i7 4500U) at the corner with 600...

Acer Aspire S7-392-6411

Core i5 4200U
2x 4GB Memory (Dual Channel)
http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Acer-Aspire-S7-Ultrabook-Review/?page=1

According to the review you provided above from laptopmag
PC Mark 7 = 5051
3D Mark 11 = 895
Open Office = 5.12


SONY VAIO Pro 13

Core i5 4200U
8GB Memory (doesn't say if it is single or dual but have a look at the results and figure out yourself)

PC Mark 7 = 4698
3D Mark 11 = 600
Open Office = 5.10

So, it does throttle at 3D Mark 11 but it doesnt throttle in PC Mark 7 and it can sustain 5 minutes in Open Office and have the same performance as the acer Laptop ??
I believe we can clearly see that the Sony VAIO Pro 13 has a single memory channel that only affects gaming and 3D applications since CPU performance is on par with all the other Core i5 4200U LapTops.

 

[Enigmoid]

Please don't compare the 15W HW-ULV graphics with anything. Graphics are thermally constrained. For instance in Skyrim even modded I get much higher performance (32-33 fps) with a HD 4000 (3630qm) than the vaio.

A full HD 4600 SV on 35W is about equal to the a10-4600m. 45W versions are just below the a10-5750m in performance due to increased cache.

 

[AtenRa]

Just had a look at monstercameron link of Mobile Kaveri A10-7300.

Just a quick performance overview against Intel Core i5 4200U 15W TDP with HD4400.

A10-7300 numbers taken from the links bellow

Test Acer Aspire E5-551-T8X3 Kaveri A10-7300 Notebook
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Acer-Aspire-E5-551-T8X3-Kaveri-A10-7300-Notebook.120389.0.html

http://www.notebookcheck.com/AMD-Kaveri-A10-7300-Notebook-Prozessor.117298.0.html



Intel core i5 4200U links

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i5-4200U-Notebook-Processor.93563.0.html

Review HP EliteBook 850 G1-H5G34ET Notebook
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-HP-EliteBook-850-G1-H5G34ET-Notebook.112439.0.html

Review Acer TravelMate P455-M-54204G50Makk Notebook
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Acer-TravelMate-P455-M-54204G50Makk-Notebook.111471.0.html

Review Acer TravelMate P255-M-54204G50Mnss Notebook
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Acer-TravelMate-P255-M-54204G50Mnss-Notebook.112171.0.html

Review Acer Aspire V7-582P-6673 Ultrabook
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Acer-Aspire-V7-582P-6673-Ultrabook.99941.0.html


Cinebench R15 Multi
A10-7300 = 139 pts
Core i5 4200U = 230 pts

X264 HD Benchmark 4.0: Pass 1
A10-7300 = 62,6fps
Core i5 4200U = 69,6fps

X264 HD Benchmark 4.0: Pass 2
A10-7300 = 12,1fps
Core i5 4200U = 13,1fps

TrueCrypt: AES Mean 100MB
A10-7300 = 1,2GB/s
Core i5 4200U = 1,3GB/s

PCMark 8 Home v2
A10-7300 = 2574
Core i5 4200U = 2530

PCMark 8 Work v2
A10-7300 = 3558
Core i5 4200U = 4053

3DMark Ice Storm
A10-7300 = 32809
Core i5 4200U = 33077

3DMark Cloud Gate
A10-7300 = 3726
Core i5 4200U = 3744

3DMark Fire Strike
A10-7300 = 853
Core i5 4200U = 490

Anno 2070 (2011) 1366x768
A10-7300 = 31.4fps
Core i5 4200U = 22fps
Tomb Raider (2013) 1024x768
A10-7300 = 51.6fps
Core i5 4200U = 37,2fps

Dota 2 (2013) 1024x768
A10-7300 = 42,2fps
Core i5 4200U = 39,8fps

The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim (2011) 1024x768
A10-7300 = 32,4fps
Core i5 4200U = 26,8fps


Battery vs HP EliteBook 850 G1-H5G34ET

Idle
A10-7300 = 8h 01m
Core i5 4200U = 8h 22m (50 Wh battery)

WiFi Surfing
A10-7300 = 4h 40m
Core i5 4200U = 6h 11m (50 Wh battery)

DVD
A10-7300 = 3h 20m
Core i5 4200U = 4h 36m (50 Wh battery)

Load Max
A10-7300 = 2h 00m
Core i5 4200U = 2h 07m (50 Wh battery)


Pricing in Europe

Acer Aspire E5-551-T8X3 = from EURO 499,00

HP EliteBook 850 G1-H5G34ET = from EURO 1025,00

Acer TravelMate P455-M-54204G50Makk = from EURO 641,29

Acer TravelMate P255-M-54204G50Mnss = from EURO 645,95


That is an exceptional performance and Battery life for Euro 499,00.

 

[Sweepr]

Core i5 4200U (1.6GHz) was replaced almost a year ago by Core i5 4300U (1.9GHz), actually there's an even faster Core i5 4310U now (2GHz).

 

[frozentundra123456]

Single thread cpu performance only equal to Bay Trail at half the TDP. That's exceptional?

 

[itsmydamnation]

Core i5 4200U (1.6GHz) was replaced almost a year ago by Core i5 4300U (1.9GHz), actually there's an even faster Core i5 4310U now (2GHz).

I have a 4300U , unless you use throttle stop it doesn't spend all that much time there. So real world it might not be that much different.

 

[Sweepr]

I have a 4300U , unless you use throttle stop it doesn't spend all that much time there. So real world it might not be that much different.

12-15% higher clock is significant (15-20% if you look at 4200U vs 4310U). Nevertheless you shouldn't compare a brand new AMD chip to something that was replaced almost a year ago, sounds... biased.

Cinebench R15 Multi
A10-7300 = 139 pts
Core i5 4200U = 230 pts
Core i5 4300U = 253 pts

X264 HD Benchmark 4.0: Pass 1
A10-7300 = 62,6fps
Core i5 4200U = 69,6fps
Core i5 4300U = 84,7fps

X264 HD Benchmark 4.0: Pass 2
A10-7300 = 12,1fps
Core i5 4200U = 13,1fps
Core i5 4300 = 16,3fps

 

[Techhog]

Oh, you mean that a notebook with this exists now? I don't believe it.

Seriously, the term "paper launch" has been redefined. This is beyond pathetic. There are ZERO of these in the US, and at this rate there never will be any.

 

[AtenRa]

12-15% higher clock is significant (15-20% if you look at 4200U vs 4310U). Nevertheless you shouldn't compare a brand new AMD chip to something that was replaced almost a year ago, sounds... biased.

Cinebench R15 Multi
A10-7300 = 139 pts
Core i5 4200U = 230 pts
Core i5 4300U = 253 pts

X264 HD Benchmark 4.0: Pass 1
A10-7300 = 62,6fps
Core i5 4200U = 69,6fps
Core i5 4300U = 84,7fps

X264 HD Benchmark 4.0: Pass 2
A10-7300 = 12,1fps
Core i5 4200U = 13,1fps
Core i5 4300 = 16,3fps

First, Core i5 4200U still exists in Laptops around the world.

Secondly and most importantly, cheapest Core i5 4300U Laptop starts at ~1000 Euros when the ACER Aspire E5-551-T8X3 with the Kaveri A10-7300 is at 499,00.

So, who is biased ???

 

[AtenRa]

Oh, you mean that a notebook with this exists now? I don't believe it.

Seriously, the term "paper launch" has been redefined. This is beyond pathetic. There are ZERO of these in the US, and at this rate there never will be any.

Mobile Kaveri was only launched in 4th of June 2014, there will be more laptops in the market for the Back To School in September, October.

 

[Techhog]

Mobile Kaveri was only launched in 4th of June 2014, there will be more laptops in the market for the Back To School in September, October.

That's over a month ago. You never see crap like this with Intel.