[AT]NVIDIA G-Sync Review

[OCGuy]

No way. Moving picture reel at 11.

Flip side, Nvidia licenses the tech and gets royalty for every display sold. Which is better? Unknown, but Nvidia thinks they have the answer.

I think we understand you will not be purchasing this product now. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.


Edit: And you posted again below, reported.

 

[SPBHM]

"What’s interesting to me about this last situation is if 120/144Hz reduces tearing enough to the point where you’re ok with it, G-Sync may be a solution to a problem you no longer care about."

"A 40% increase in display cost is steep"

and the fact you are limited to use Nvidia cards makes me feel less positive about this than I initially was.

 

[5150Joker]

People have been gaming with vsync and tripple buffering for a long time. Adaptive vsync was handy, it solves the tearing/stutter issue.

If the only thing Gsync bring to the table is less input lag..

That would benefit a tiny faction of people who are bothered with input lag? Compared to most everyone who are bothered by screen tearing or stutter.

Vsync input lag makes a considerable impact on gaming. You obviously don't play games much if you don't notice it, especially in FPS games.

 

[AnandThenMan]

40% is steep currently, but on a $500 monitor the premium doesn't seem that bad to me. Also I'd assume the cost will drop over time.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Needing 120/144hz display and the GPU power for 120-144FPS vs 60hz and 40-60FPS makes gsync very cheap, very fast.

 

[5150Joker]

No way. Moving picture reel at 11.

Flip side, Nvidia licenses the tech and gets royalty for every display sold. Which is better? Unknown, but Nvidia thinks they have the answer.

Yup so now the whining about it being proprietary should end right? :whiste:

 

[SPBHM]

Needing 120/144hz display and the GPU power for 120-144FPS vs 60hz and 40-60FPS makes gsync very cheap, very fast.

144Hz display is cheaper than a gsync display.

you don't need extra GPU power for 144Hz with Vsync off...
"Increasing the refresh rate to 144Hz definitely reduced the amount of tearing visible with v-sync disabled."

it looked to like Anand had to artificially limit his 144Hz display to 60Hz to clearly see the benefit of gsync.

 

[ShintaiDK]

144Hz display is cheaper than a gsync display.

Is it?

A 24" 1920*1080 144Hz TN monitor cost 280$ at newegg. Its not hard to find much cheaper 60hz monitors in the same size.

And with g-sync you can get away with cheaper/weaker GPU.

 

[SPBHM]

Is it?

A 24" 1920*1080 144Hz TN monitor cost 280$ at newegg. Its not hard to find much cheaper 60hz monitors in the same size.

the same monitor with Gsync is 40% more, that's a huge jump for this single difference, if vsync off at 144Hz is already working so well...

 

[ShintaiDK]

the same monitor with Gsync is 40% more, that's a huge jump for this single difference.

But you dont need a 144hz monitor. Thats the key. And you compare a 144hz without gsync to a 144hz with gsync. You need to compare it to a 60hz with gsync.

 

[Silverforce11]

144Hz display is cheaper than a gsync display.

you don't need extra GPU power for 144Hz with Vsync off...
"Increasing the refresh rate to 144Hz definitely reduced the amount of tearing visible with v-sync disabled."

it looked to like Anand had to artificially limit his 144Hz display to 60Hz to clearly see the benefit of gsync.

And he did not compared the visual experience to adaptive vsync, which is a sin given how important that feature is for NV.

 

[SPBHM]

But you dont need a 144hz monitor. Thats the key. And you compare a 144hz without gsync to a 144hz with gsync.

until they can really change how the display refresh cycle works, I think having a higher refresh rate is desirable anyway!? Gsync is to expensive right now... sure, it's specially attractive for 60Hz and slower VGAs, but the cost is to high...

better to hope for more high refresh rate displays, no nvidia-only is a big advantage.

 

[mindbomb]

And he did not compared the visual experience to adaptive vsync, which is a sin given how important that feature is for NV.

adaptive vsync is just a mix of vsync on and vsync off. When it is on, it has the flaws of vsync, when it is off, it has the flaws of not having vsync.
Gsync seems like it just doesn't have any flaws, and all the pro's of vsync.

Gsync seems to require full screen mode of a directx application. So between this and mantle requiring windows, it is making steam os a tough sell.

 

[Silverforce11]

But according to Anand's review, 60fps with vsync on and if the frame rate doesn't drop below 60, he has a smooth visual experience. His complaints about stutter only occur when fps drop lower. In that situation, adaptive vsync works to eliminate stutter.

 

[ShintaiDK]

until they can really change how the display refresh cycle works, I think having a higher refresh rate is desirable anyway!? Gsync is to expensive right now... sure, it's specially attractive for 60Hz and slower VGAs, but the cost is to high...

better to hope for more high refresh rate displays, no nvidia-only is a big advantage.

I agree its expensive. But not compared to the alternative.

Also I would expect price to drop to 10-20$ when/if the volume makes it worth making a dedicated chip. Rather than using expensive FPGAs.

But this really is a hotfix solution nomatter what, compared to what something like DisplayPort should and could have offered.

 

[blastingcap]

AMD and NV should license each others' technology. Mantle and TrueAudio for Gsync and PhysX.

 

[SolMiester]

No way. Moving picture reel at 11.

Flip side, Nvidia licenses the tech and gets royalty for every display sold. Which is better? Unknown, but Nvidia thinks they have the answer.

Why does this make you happy?

Is that a
why?, does that make you happy?, or a why does that make you happy?, because if the latter, I cant recall saying as such.
If the former, I shouldn't worry, I only purchase NV, as I believe its a better product. There are some things I dont do budget on.
However it is clear to me, there are those that are bitter that both companies dont put the same effort, R&D into their product and moan when a feature is proprietary.

 

[Erenhardt]

I shouldn't worry, I only purchase NV, as I believe its a better product. There are some things I dont do budget on.

Wait, what?!

HOME...GTX660...

Which would you choose: get $100 Gsync module and your current graphics (lets assume your display supports g-sync upgrade), or gtx760 without g-sync?

 

[Zanovar]

AMD and NV should license each others' technology. Mantle and TrueAudio for Gsync and PhysX.

Thats really going to happenI agree they should

 

[Erenhardt]

AMD and NV should license each others' technology. Mantle and TrueAudio for Gsync and PhysX.

Finally someone is acting like a consumer! +1:thumbsup:

 

[5150Joker]

144Hz display is cheaper than a gsync display.

you don't need extra GPU power for 144Hz with Vsync off...
"Increasing the refresh rate to 144Hz definitely reduced the amount of tearing visible with v-sync disabled."

it looked to like Anand had to artificially limit his 144Hz display to 60Hz to clearly see the benefit of gsync.

You do need the extra HP if its a demanding game and you can't push enough frames. GSync helps at every level.

 

[Zanovar]

Finally someone is acting like a consumer! +1:thumbsup:

What a consumer in this forum!neverAnyways really looking forward to gsync,and how it pans out

 

[Erenhardt]

On topic: AT G-sync review
As some pointed out earlier, this review falls in line with recent Hawaii reviews where some things are overlooked, and some are overblown (some in positive, and some in negative way).
These reviews get closer attention. There starts to be more questions about the reviewer intentions and motives, then about the reviewed matter...

 

[SolMiester]

Wait, what?!



Which would you choose: get $100 Gsync module and your current graphics (lets assume your display supports g-sync upgrade), or gtx760 without g-sync?

What?....who said I was buying a G Sync monitor?. Am I only allowed an opinion if I am?

Jesus...:|

Edit-Oh, a dig at my resolution dGPU...

 

[OCGuy]

On topic: AT G-sync review
As some pointed out earlier, this review falls in line with recent Hawaii reviews where some things are overlooked, and some are overblown (some in positive, and some in negative way).
These reviews get closer attention. There starts to be more questions about the reviewer intentions and motives, then about the reviewed matter...

Some examples would help illustrate your point, and allow others to either agree or refute.