[AT]NVIDIA G-Sync Review

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bystander36

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That's what has surprised me too, especially since the GPU makers have a decent amount of influence with DisplayPort. I think that will be the alternative to G-Sync, IO capabilities built into the display connector standards. Could do this already with the integrated ethernet HDMI or Thunderbolt just need some of those ARM chips to find their way from Smart TV to Computer Displays.
As mentioned by every g-sync article, it takes special hardware in the monitor for this to work and as the quote from Overlord mentions, it requires a lot of R&D to get it to work for each specific monitor. It is not a simple Displayport change. The Displayport portion of things is the easy part.
 

wand3r3r

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It is definitely exciting that there is something new in the display world that will be within reach to the masses long before 4k.

A better gaming experience, as the overwhelmingly positive reviews describe, is something that resonates with people.

4k may be upon us sooner than a lot of people predict, particularly when talking high end GPU buyers (a fraction of the market). The dell 28" screen is coming Q1 2014 at less than $1k. Considering 27" 120Hz screens are $5-600 and the upgrade is another $100+ it's not too far from the dell that's coming out.

Granted you can get smaller 120Hz screens, however they are still $300+ and another $100 for the chip. They will both have their appeals, however it's appearing the g-sync is more useful at low fps, which ironically would be a better selling point on high resolution than high fps (120-144Hz) monitors.

That said, it definitely looks interesting. They are finally expanding into other areas since the doubling of performance every 12-18 months is slowing down (both AMD/NV).
 

blastingcap

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3 x 30" 120Hz 3D G-Sync IPS 4K bezeless monitors? Yes please. That or the same thing but all on one curved panel.
 

wand3r3r

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3 x 30" 120Hz 3D G-Sync IPS 4K bezeless monitors? Yes please. That or the same thing but all on one curved panel.

Exactly, people sit and argue about their favorite (120Hz vs. size vs. 4k vs. G-sync) but why not have the best of all worlds. Posters here need to drop the pointless fanboyism and speculate like technology enthusiasts!
 

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I think the people who aren't happy about it are those that it serves no purpose. Those who want high quality/high resolution screens and those who don't want to be locked exclusively to nVidia, or don't want nVidia at all, to use it. People who don't mind those limitations are all for it.

No point in calling people fanboys because they want 1600 or 4K IPS monitors and won't do 1080p TN panels instead.
 

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I think the people who aren't happy about it are those that it serves no purpose. Those who want high quality/high resolution screens and those who don't want to be locked exclusively to nVidia, or don't want nVidia at all, to use it. People who don't mind those limitations are all for it.

No point in calling people fanboys because they want 1600 or 4K IPS monitors and won't do 1080p TN panels instead.

Start a petition for AMD to have better R&D or negotiate a licensing deal with NVIDIA. I'm sure if the price is right they'll do it. Because other than that, nothing in life is free and this has been discussed so many times that at this point, we get it but complaining about it in every g-sync thread won't change anything.

 
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5150Joker

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Why are you telling me that? I haven't said I want it on AMD.

I was responding to what you said but speaking in general about people who constantly bring in the "locked in" argument and how it should be an open standard. This has been an ongoing complaint ad nauseum since G-sync was first introduced. It would be nice to actually discuss the technology and what it brings to the table rather than constantly complaining about how it's not available for AMD graphics card owners.
 

SolMiester

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I think the people who aren't happy about it are those that it serves no purpose. Those who want high quality/high resolution screens and those who don't want to be locked exclusively to nVidia, or don't want nVidia at all, to use it. People who don't mind those limitations are all for it.

No point in calling people fanboys because they want 1600 or 4K IPS monitors and won't do 1080p TN panels instead.

:thumbsup:
 

AnandThenMan

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It would be nice to actually discuss the technology and what it brings to the table rather than constantly complaining about how it's not available for AMD graphics card owners.
So what do you have to say about the tech? I find it really straight forward in what it does, although I'm sure the actual details of how it's accomplished are fairly intricate. That controller board is surprisingly complex.
 

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I was responding to what you said but speaking in general about people who constantly bring in the "locked in" argument and how it should be an open standard. This has been an ongoing complaint ad nauseum since G-sync was first introduced. It would be nice to actually discuss the technology and what it brings to the table rather than constantly complaining about how it's not available for AMD graphics card owners.

Even Groove, who uses nVidia, got grief because he wants hires/IPS. He doesn't want to step backwards in IQ for what GSync offers.

It's not simply those who want it to be available on AMD cards.
 

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Even Groove, who uses nVidia, got grief because he wants hires/IPS. He doesn't want to step backwards in IQ for what GSync offers.

It's not simply those who want it to be available on AMD cards.

Has there been any discussions that preclude it from IPS or higher resolution panels? I haven't seen such a statement from NVIDIA. In fact, I've read the contrary from places like Overlord. The technology is in it's infancy, in time I'm sure NVIDIA will push it out to all types of displays. A popular TN panel is a very good start since this technology caters primarily to gamers.

One thing I would like to see is g-sync + low persistence working in tandem, that is pretty much the holy grail.
 

Teizo

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Even Groove, who uses nVidia, got grief because he wants hires/IPS. He doesn't want to step backwards in IQ for what GSync offers.

You can count me in on that as well. I won't get a GSync monitor until IPS ones come available. However, they are coming so not much to gripe about.

To say G-Sync does not offer IPS is inaccurate. That is just up to the monitor manufacturers to release. It is not a limitation of GSync. Let's be sure to set the blame where it needs to be.

Has there been any discussions that preclude it from IPS or higher resolution panels? I haven't seen such a statement from NVIDIA. In fact, I've read the contrary from places like Overlord. The technology is in it's infancy, in time I'm sure NVIDIA will push it out to all types of displays. A popular TN panel is a very good start since this technology caters primarily to gamers.

One thing I would like to see is g-sync + low persistence working in tandem, that is pretty much the holy grail.

No, GSync is capable of working on an IPS panel. Not sure why people constantly bring this up. It is just not being released on IPS panels initially. That is not a limitation of GSync, but the roll out of GSync by monitor manufacturers due to R&D costs.
 
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Jaydip

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I believe in time it will be available on IPS displays as well but since the cheap quality IPS panels are crap anyway I see no harm in that.I myself will never go back using a TN but some people has motion sickness and they will be very interested in it IMO.
 

AnandThenMan

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Maybe I missed it but I don't recall people saying this is limited to only certain panel types. And if they did, that was make no sense.
 

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I think the people who aren't happy about it are those that it serves no purpose. Those who want high quality/high resolution screens and those who don't want to be locked exclusively to nVidia, or don't want nVidia at all, to use it. People who don't mind those limitations are all for it.

No point in calling people fanboys because they want 1600 or 4K IPS monitors and won't do 1080p TN panels instead.

I said this^

Start a petition for AMD to have better R&D or negotiate a licensing deal with NVIDIA. I'm sure if the price is right they'll do it. Because other than that, nothing in life is free and this has been discussed so many times that at this point, we get it but complaining about it in every g-sync thread won't change anything.


...and this^ was your response.

I have no desire to petition anyone. It seemed like you misunderstood my point entirely and thought I wanted it on AMD cards as well and were telling me what I should be doing in that case. I didn't say I want GSync on AMD cards. I just don't think it's fair to paint anyone who wants other options for GSync with one giant brush.
 

bystander36

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I do find it interesting that all the review/first impressions coming from the sites with these monitors in person tell us they will never go back to their IPS monitors to game again after using it (the ones I've seen at least). Then you see so many people here saying that it is useless if it is not on an IPS panel. I can only assume it is as everyone one who has seen it in person has said, you have to see it to understand. I can only take their word for it.

That said, Asus does make IPS panels as well, who is to say we have to wait long for IPS G-sync monitors? We only know about one monitor that they have. We do not know about other possible models.

I do want a G-sync monitor, but I will likely wait a few months to see what is being offered before I jump on board. I'm currently leaning towards a VG278H model, if one is made.
 
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BallaTheFeared

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They are apples to oranges so I don't see the point of your statement, maybe I missed it completely.

The point was people who use 1600p IPS screens everyday and have played with 4k monitors for gaming are blown away by cheap TN panels with G-Sync and would not go back to the latter for gaming.

So cheap crappy TN with G-Sync > 1600 IPS for gaming according to everyone who has touched G-Sync in person thus far.
 

VulgarDisplay

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I do find it interesting that all the review/first impressions coming from the sites with these monitors in person tell us they will never go back to their IPS monitors to game again after using it (the ones I've seen at least). Then you see so many people here saying that it is useless if it is not on an IPS panel. I can only assume it is as everyone one who has seen it in person has said, you have to see it to understand. I can only take their word for it.

That said, Asus does make IPS panels as well, who is to say we have to wait long for IPS G-sync monitors? We only know about one monitor that they have. We do not know about other possible models.

I do want a G-sync monitor, but I will likely wait a few months to see what is being offered before I jump on board. I'm currently leaning towards a VG278H model, if one is made.

I didn't read anywhere but Anandtech yet, but how could Gsync not be a drink of water in the desert to a dying man with the way the tests were run.

29fps no vsync vs 26fps gsync. Not much to improve upon that at all.

The problem is, anyone in the market for a $500+ monitor is not using a $100 GPU.

They need to do comparison's against 60fps locked with vsync, >60fps with 120hz/140hz. That is Gsync's actual competition and the only mention of it I have heard is that it's not a big enough improvement or most to even notice, or warrant an upgrade.
 

Skurge

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G-sync sounds pretty cool. I would love one of those. But I am torn between a G-sync display and the new dell 4K display.

I am getting Radeons so I will hold off on the G-sync option. I would buy an Nvidia GPU with a good g-sycn monitor at a good price, but then what happens if Nvidia make a lemon of a GPU? then I would either have to live withoout g-sync negating the advantage of the monitor I bought or live with the lemon GPU.

4K is also awesome, but requires some serious GPU power and if Asus or Dell come out with a G-sync 4K monitor I would seriously consider buying it. If it was multivendor, well then, thats a slam dunk.
 

Vesku

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As mentioned by every g-sync article, it takes special hardware in the monitor for this to work and as the quote from Overlord mentions, it requires a lot of R&D to get it to work for each specific monitor. It is not a simple Displayport change. The Displayport portion of things is the easy part.

I'm talking about making a standard around input from as well as output to a display. Standardizing "Smart" features basically, of which vsync control would be one.
 
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