I'm talking about making a standard around input as well as output from a display. Standardizing "Smart" features basically, of which vsync control would be one.
Yep, gsync might require extra R&D because its not a standard. If something like DisplayPort had just amde this a standard. Then we would have it on all cards and displays for essentially free.
i might add that, if you have the moneys to afford a 1600IPS "for the pleasure", you probably have $300 lying around to buy a second monitor for gaming only.The point was people who use 1600p IPS screens everyday and have played with 4k monitors for gaming are blown away by cheap TN panels with G-Sync and would not go back to the latter for gaming.
So cheap crappy TN with G-Sync > 1600 IPS for gaming according to everyone who has touched G-Sync in person thus far.
Looks like G-sync brings decrease in FPS. How will upcoming reviews be made? Subjective opinion on gameplay without fps graphs? Not a best time to loose credibility. Is g-sync within "out of the box" policy?
Looks like G-sync brings decrease in FPS. How will upcoming reviews be made? Subjective opinion on gameplay without fps graphs? Not a best time to loose credibility. Is g-sync within "out of the box" policy?
I think G-Sync monitors will have regular V-Sync as well..just to enable G-Sync you will need an Nvidia GPU.
So, you should be able to buy a G-Sync capable monitor and still run an AMD GPU...just you will be limited to regular V-Sync or no V-Sync at all.
If this is not correct, someone please correct me on this. But, I think this is correct based on all reviews going back and forth between V-Sync, No V-Sync, and G-Sync without mentioning changing anything in their set up.
Even Groove, who uses nVidia, got grief because he wants hires/IPS. He doesn't want to step backwards in IQ for what GSync offers.
It's not simply those who want it to be available on AMD cards.
Zero options to use this today, one option in a crappy 1080p TN next year and once Asus' gsync exclusivity ends on that model late next year then we get to see how long it will be until it makes its way into decent monitors.
The main problem for selling G-Sync will be being able to see it yourself before you buy. Having your local Best Buy or tech shop having one on display, and having it set up properly, will be a challenge. Word of mouth is going to be very important...and so is the endorsement of reputable names within the industry. It does seem, however, that GSync does clearly do what it states.
This is not true. Asus does not have an exclusivity agreement with GSync. Maybe the standalone module, but not GSync itself.
BenQ, Phillips, Viewsonic, and Asus are all coming out with monitors early next year. The only thing is though we may be limited to TN panels for the first year. But being limited to Asus only is not accurate. Other manufacturers are in the process of making GSync monitors as well, and for sure Dell will be one of them. I don't see them not getting in to the game.
I am like you though, it seems G-Sync will mostly serve people with single GPU set ups. A 760 or 770 in 1080p, or a 780 in 1440p. With SLI if you can get a constant 60fps in your games, G-Sync will be less dramatic. However, as Carmack stated in his interview...the advantage to high fps GSync is related to persistence and totally removing motion blur like old CRT's (or at least the possibility of it in future revisions).
The main problem for selling G-Sync will be being able to see it yourself before you buy. Having your local Best Buy or tech shop having one on display, and having it set up properly, will be a challenge. Word of mouth is going to be very important...and so is the endorsement of reputable names within the industry. It does seem, however, that GSync does clearly do what it states.
Nvidia's G-SYNC is likely going to be exclusive to ASUS until late 2014. At least that what is speculated. G-Sync is both a software and a hardware solution that will solve screen tearing and stuttering. A daughter hardware board is placed into a G-Sync enabled monitor which will do something very interesting. It is now reported that ASUS signed an exclusive deal with Nvidia. Something I would not be happy about.
Also do you have any links to where these gsync enabled monitors from BenQ, Phillips, Viewsonic are 'coming early next year' ? From what I've heard it's just the Asus, and not till the middle of next year at that.
If you’re as excited by NVIDIA G-SYNC as we are and want to get your own G-SYNC monitor, here’s how. Early next year, G-SYNC monitors from ASUS, BenQ, Phillips and ViewSonic will be available direct from the shelves of retailers and e-tailers. If you can't wait, G-SYNC modules will be winging their way to professional modders who will install them into ASUS VG248QE monitors, rated by press and gamers as one of the best gaming panels available. Alternatively, if you’re a dab hand with a Philips screwdriver, you can purchase the kit itself and mod an ASUS VG248QE monitor at home.
From Nvidia themselves:
http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/ar...evolutionary-ultra-smooth-stutter-free-gaming
That wccftech article that stated the Asus exclusivity agreement was totally offbase. Unfortunately SweClockers picked up on it, and then Hilbert re-linked it casting his doubts on it...and then people just took it as a matter of fact when it really had no bearing at all.
The 'exclusivity' is just Asus being able to support the standalone module for those who already own the VG248QE.
This. I am not really familiar with any local computer stores, I just get all my stuff online. I'm hoping I can see an in-person demonstration before I commit, but right now things are sounding good...
http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/nvidia_g_sync_could_be_asus_exclusive_for_a_while.html
A rumour, but a very plausible one.
Also do you have any links to where these gsync enabled monitors from BenQ, Phillips, Viewsonic are 'coming early next year' ? From what I've heard it's just the Asus, and not till the middle of next year at that.
Looks like G-sync brings decrease in FPS. How will upcoming reviews be made? Subjective opinion on gameplay without fps graphs?
i might add that, if you have the moneys to afford a 1600IPS "for the pleasure", you probably have $300 lying around to buy a second monitor for gaming only.
So the whole "no gsync until IPS" point is kinda meh.
as far as gsync limiting framerates, it's probably more of a frameTIMES limiting, unless you can keep at least more FPS than refresh rate.
or so i guess; the idea of the monitor telling the GPU to not produce a frame until the monitor is ready works out in on of 3 ways.
1) you have more FPS - and the frame is ready, but the monitor doesn't want it yet. your lag is equal to <1/120th of a second (up to 8ms ALL INCLUSIVE; no further input lag of any sort)
2) you have less FPS - not sure if you will skip a refresh or what; would be interesting to play a 10PFS game on a lightboost model to see if it blackscreens.
3) you have more than 120FPS and the frames sync with the monitor. ermm.. zero lag. as the card produces a frame, the monitor displays it.
tbh that sounds like a dream scenario, even vsynch promised heaven and delivered glitchy skippage action, but we'll see.
The problem with this type of review is that there are a lot of different variables that cause people simulator sickness. For me, latency causes it, for others, strobing lights. For others it's field of view. For others it is stutter. Some have said tearing causes it for them. I've also seen brightness causing issues for some.Are there any reviews out there exploring if GSync helps alleviate the motion sickness or headaches some people get while gaming?
Looks like G-sync brings decrease in FPS. How will upcoming reviews be made? Subjective opinion on gameplay without fps graphs? Not a best time to loose credibility. Is g-sync within "out of the box" policy?
After logging hours of play time in Battlefield 4 Beta using both the Radeon R9 280X and GeForce GTX 770, the AMD Radeon R9 280X appears to deliver a far superior gaming experience compared to the NVIDIA GeForce 770 GTX no matter what the framerate graphs show.
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-monitor-vg248qe
$266 shipped for a 144hz 24" Asus (upgradable to gsync)