At what point does climbing Mount Everest becomes "I've got lots of money to blow"?

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On Everest, your body stays up there, most of the time.

Probably one of the most difficult things about climbing Everest is constantly seeing the dead bodies up there. You see dozens of them on your way.

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http://sometimes-interesting.com/2011/06/29/over-200-dead-bodies-on-mount-everest/

As of mid-2011, Mount Everest has claimed the lives of over 216 known mountain climbers. The area above 26,000 feet is called “the Death Zone”, where breathing fresh oxygen from canisters is necessary for all but the most experienced climbers.

The atmospheric pressure is about a third of that at sea level, meaning there is about one third the amount of oxygen to breathe. The air is so thin recovery of bodies has proven impossible. Given this, many victims lay where they took their last breath.
 
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Anything over 12k can be difficult. It's all relevant to what your body can handle.

Quite true.. I've been up to the top of Pikes Peak often (14,114) ... and at that altitude its easy to get dizzy quickly. I've seen people that had to be helped by medical personnel because they couldn't handle the thin atmosphere.
 

sdifox

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On Everest, your body stays up there, most of the time.

Probably one of the most difficult things about climbing Everest is constantly seeing the dead bodies up there. You see dozens of them on your way.

They are going to have to clear the path or no one is going to summit. The Nat Geo article I linked to said over 90% of people trying to summit Everest are not experienced climbers.
 

halik

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I just don't understand this kind of thing. I mean, yeah, I'm not a climber, so it makes sense that I don't care about climbing Everest, but I do sail, and I have absolutely no interest in crossing the Atlantic, or rounding Cape Horn or any of that nonsense.


I have lots of challenging/rewarding things in my life, from my CFA candidacy to building a real estate business to my desire to start a family and raise children.

I'm sorry, but when I see people spending this kind of time and money to transform what should be an enjoyable and healthy hobby into a deadly, arduous ordeal, I can't help but think that they lack a sense of accomplishment in life, for whatever reason, and are doing this to get it.




Yeah, but now she can put one of those "26.2" stickers on her car!

Did she?


Absolutely this. Don't see how this a life goal by any stretch of imagination.

More importantly, I value my life a lot more than to take a serious gamble to go to a place where 6000 people + helicopter have been before. It's not like you'll be the first person on moon.

It seems the risk of your dying with proper prep is idiosyncratic; which makes it even less appealing. Russian roulette to get life validation.
 
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BikeJunkie

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Absolutely this. Don't see how this a life goal by any stretch of imagination.

More importantly, I value my life a lot more than to take a serious gamble to go to a place where 6000 people + helicopter have been before. It's not like you'll be the first person on moon.

It seems the risk of your dying with proper prep is idiosyncratic; which makes it even less appealing. Russian roulette to get life validation.

You don't see the point. We get it. Noted. So don't do it.
 

Triumph

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Absolutely this. Don't see how this a life goal by any stretch of imagination.

More importantly, I value my life a lot more than to take a serious gamble to go to a place where 6000 people + helicopter have been before. It's not like you'll be the first person on moon.

It seems the risk of your dying with proper prep is idiosyncratic; which makes it even less appealing. Russian roulette to get life validation.

I don't see how anyone, by any stretch of the imagination, can NOT see how "climbing the tallest mountain in the world" is a life goal. You don't have to want to do it yourself, but to not see how that is a bucket list item for some people? Are you even human?
 

AViking

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Absolutely this. Don't see how this a life goal by any stretch of imagination.

More importantly, I value my life a lot more than to take a serious gamble to go to a place where 6000 people + helicopter have been before. It's not like you'll be the first person on moon.

It seems the risk of your dying with proper prep is idiosyncratic; which makes it even less appealing. Russian roulette to get life validation.

What is on your bucket list?
 

Theb

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They are going to have to clear the path or no one is going to summit. The Nat Geo article I linked to said over 90% of people trying to summit Everest are not experienced climbers.

That seems insane. Before dumping the money into Everest why not bag a couple 14ers and see if you actually like mountaineering?
 

Blackjack200

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What is on your bucket list?

I don't have a bucket list.

There are things I'd like to do, like kitesurfing, places I'd like to see, like the Riviera, and experiences I'd like to have, like a threesome, but those things are likely to evolve and change as my life moves along and I don't feel like there's any reason to turn them into thing that need to be crossed off a list.
 

AViking

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I don't have a bucket list.

There are things I'd like to do, like kitesurfing, places I'd like to see, like the Riviera, and experiences I'd like to have, like a threesome, but those things are likely to evolve and change as my life moves along and I don't feel like there's any reason to turn them into thing that need to be crossed off a list.

Yeah well bucket lists change. That's not the point of the question.

Here check this out. Cliche? Total waste of time? AWESOME I SAY!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qtvk9znnnY

People do die diving this but it's the largest animal migration on Earth and is truly epic.
 

preslove

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They are going to have to clear the path or no one is going to summit. The Nat Geo article I linked to said over 90% of people trying to summit Everest are not experienced climbers.

This is why climbing mount everest is bullshit.
 

preslove

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The faux experts are out in force today!

The only danger now is the line is too long and you might run out of oxygen while queing. Sorry, but "climbing mount Everest" doesn't mean anything other than you have money, aren't in terrible shape, and you want to brag.

I have a lot of respect for ACTUAL MOUNTAIN CLIMBERS. I know a couple people who are into it as a hobby and it fascinates and scares the hell out of me. I respect them a great deal because of it. The yuppies paying sherpas to guide them are just tourists.
 

Veliko

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The only danger now is the line is too long and you might run out of oxygen while queing. Sorry, but "climbing mount Everest" doesn't mean anything other than you have money, aren't in terrible shape, and you want to brag.

Tell you what, I'll take the word of the experts who have actually climbed Mount Everest a number of times rather than the meaningless rambles of some tubster on an Internet forum.

I have a lot of respect for ACTUAL MOUNTAIN CLIMBERS. I know a couple people who are into it as a hobby and it fascinates and scares the hell out of me. I respect them a great deal because of it. The yuppies paying sherpas to guide them are just tourists.

I, too, have respect for ACTUAL MOUNTAIN CLIMBERS, hence me taking their words over yours.
 

preslove

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DERP DERP DERP DERP

Let me put it in pictures, so you might understand.

This is mountain climbing:




This is adventure tourism:



If you can't tell the difference between the two, you are a fucking idiot. The first picture is of a pursuit that is worthy of respect and admiration. The 2nd ain't.
 

halik

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What is on your bucket list?

I don't have a bucket list. I accomplish the things I want to do/have in my life.

My life is and has been plenty exiting to not need arbitrary endeavors/adventure that i'd hope would bring meaning to my existence.

Again from what I've seen, it's white suburban middle class kids that long for these sort of things - one time life validation adrenaline debacles.
 
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Veliko

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If you can't tell the difference between the two, you are a fucking idiot. The first picture is of a pursuit that is worthy of respect and admiration. The 2nd ain't.

Once again:

I'll take the words of the experts, the people whom you claim to respect so much, over the ramblings of a mentalist on the Internet.
 

AViking

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The only danger now is the line is too long and you might run out of oxygen while queing. Sorry, but "climbing mount Everest" doesn't mean anything other than you have money, aren't in terrible shape, and you want to brag.

I have a lot of respect for ACTUAL MOUNTAIN CLIMBERS. I know a couple people who are into it as a hobby and it fascinates and scares the hell out of me. I respect them a great deal because of it. The yuppies paying sherpas to guide them are just tourists.

You know this how?

You make it sound like they just stand in line at Disneyland. I'm pretty sure that's not accurate.

Last I checked it takes like 2 months to summit Everest. If you fly into Base camp you cut off quite a chunk but even from there it's going to take you weeks to acclimate. I get the impression that some of you think you pay $50,000-$75,000 and just get in line for the day, collect your stamp, and go home. Unless something has changed recently I don't think that is accurate. Are people able to just fly in, wear oxygen, and go up? That sounds like suicide.

I'm not going to get into the difficulty of it since I personally haven't done it but I'm pretty sure you're having to go through some crazy terrain that kills people on a regular basis due to high winds, low temperatures, and a lack of oxygen. Climbers have to go up and down over and over again as they get used to the altitude so they don't just get to go over some dangerous part once. They have to do it multiple times.

Someone mentioned a guy who paid to a company to do it with no climbing experience and died. That's terrible except if you look at their website the Everest Expedition is listed at 69 days long. These are not walks in the park. People die up there because it is incredibly difficult.

http://www.utmostadventure.com/package/Mount-Everest-Expedition-2014-1-69.html

Edit: You can't fly into basecamp. You fly into Lukla and then trek to Basecamp over a period of a week.
 
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AViking

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I don't have a bucket list. I accomplish the things I want to do/have in my life.

My life is and has been plenty exiting to not need arbitrary endeavors/adventure that i'd hope would bring meaning to my existence.

Again from what I've seen, it's white suburban middle class kids that long for these sort of things - one time life validation adrenaline debacles.

I don't understand you. Your life is plenty exciting but others who like adventure and travels are suburban middle class kids that need life validation adrenaline debacles? What excitement are you getting? Any new experiences?

How about just living life to your fullest? I can't do that sitting in the office. I definitely couldn't do it living in the USA with such a limited amount of time off. I'm taking 3+ months to travel around South America next year. That sure beats sitting in the office and makes my life much more satisfying to me.

There's also this thing called fun. Make sure you have some.
 

preslove

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Once again:

I'll take the words of the experts, the people whom you claim to respect so much, over the ramblings of a mentalist on the Internet.

What, like Sir Edmund Hillary? You know, the first person to reach the summit...

“I really haven’t liked the commercialization of mountaineering, particularly of Mount Everest. By paying $65,000, you can be conducted to the summit by a couple of good guides,” he said in a 2003 article. “Clients are spending a large sum of money just to trek up our route, mainly so they can go back home and boast about it. We just wanted to make the first ascent.”

http://www.actionhub.com/news/mount-everest-continues-criticized-commercialization/

Read the post for quite a few more experts saying that commercial climbing is bullshit.
 

Veliko

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None of which back up your assertion that climbing Mount Everest "is bullshit".
 

halik

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I don't understand you. Your life is plenty exciting but others who like adventure and travels are suburban middle class kids that need life validation adrenaline debacles? What excitement are you getting? Any new experiences?

How about just living life to your fullest? I can't do that sitting in the office. I definitely couldn't do it living in the USA with such a limited amount of time off. I'm taking 3+ months to travel around South America next year. That sure beats sitting in the office and makes my life much more satisfying to me.

There's also this thing called fun. Make sure you have some.

Grew up behind the iron curtain, saw communism fall first hand, vacayed in Croatia right after the war, lived all over the world etc. etc. At this point in my life, I'm glad I don't have exist in places where things like personal safety aren't guaranteed... places that seem to draw adventure tourists.

Am I incorrect to guess you grew up as a white suburban kid somewhere in the US?
 
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preslove

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None of which back up your assertion that climbing Mount Everest "is bullshit".

I see. You're just a fucking idiot who can't read.

By paying $65,000, you can be conducted to the summit by a couple of good guides,” he said in a 2003 article. “Clients are spending a large sum of money just to trek up our route, mainly so they can go back home and boast about it. We just wanted to make the first ascent.”

He is saying the exact same thing that I was. Dentists and accountants pay tens of thousands of dollars to go on an adventure tour so they can go home and brag about it and pretend they "climbed" the tallest mountain on earth. It is not mountaineering, it is tourism. This is coming from the first guy to summit it.

So, please kindly go fuck yourself.
 
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GoSharks

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Let me put it in pictures, so you might understand.

This is mountain climbing:




This is adventure tourism:



If you can't tell the difference between the two, you are a fucking idiot. The first picture is of a pursuit that is worthy of respect and admiration. The 2nd ain't.

As a climber, nobody with any kind of experience would ever refer to that first picture as "mountain climbing."
 

Train

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Let me put it in pictures, so you might understand.

This is mountain climbing:


That's not mountain climbing, that's a tourist getting hoisted up the side of a rock by a guide.

lol, not only does that look like a kid in the pic, the domain url for that image is even CampingTourist.com
 
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