At which price point will you switch to SSD as your primary desktop storage?

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ronbo613

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For my digital photographs and video files, my "work"/scratch drive is 1TB. Storage, including backups, are over 10TB, so it will be quite a while before SSDs will be in the storage picture for me.
I have a 120G SSD as my boot and programs drive, I love the speed, but not the cost.
 

Vinwiesel

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I finally got a 120gb Agility3 around 4 months ago for $105, and it was a very worthwhile upgrade. Right now a 320 or 500gb HDD is about $60, so there is no reason not to put up a little more cash and get a SSD if you're building a system. For $200 you could have both a 120 primary drive, and a 2tb storage HDD.

When will SSD be my "Primary" storage? Probably not in the next 20 years. No programs or games will ever be on a spinning disk again though.
 

sequoia464

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I'm pretty much all SSD's now - Two M4's for the OS, Office, etc - Two X25-M's for my job specific programs, files and utilities, and a couple of Kingston Toshiba based SSD's (V100+) for my backups.

I back up frequently through the work day, and with this setup I don't even notice it happening.

I do back up everything to a USB3.0 HDD once a week also, so I suppose I'm not completely HDD free yet.
 

VirtualLarry

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1. Read the article, this a firmware bug unique to that one controller that simply cannot occur on an OS drive nor will it reasonably occur naturally on a storage drive, rather it requires very specific situation (implausible for a normal user) where you fill the drive to 100% with incompressible data and then overwrite it with more incompressible data to fill the spare area, all done on as a secondary data drive to trigger the bug.

You mean, like install Win7 to an SSD, then installing TrueCrypt FDE to the entire drive, after partitioning the entire user area, and then writing to the drive for a while? Like I did?
 

npaladin-2000

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I was holding out for a dollar a gig, but we're basically there on the Crucal M4, and the OCZ Vertex 4 is close. I saw a deal for a 512 GB Vertex 4 on Amazon, and since I had just gotten some disposable funds, I bit the bullet and grabbed one. Best money I ever spent.
 

BFG10K

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Sure, the 1TB platter velociraptor, when using the outermost rings (aka, empty; and not experiencing its own performance loss due to being full), might get slightly faster sequential speed.
The 1TB/platter Hitachi can still manage 160MB/sec at around halfway into its platter:



By extension, the Seagate and the 1TB Raptor can manage it well past the middle mark.

While cheaper, firmware bugs in HDD/SSD can lead to dataloss and that is the real problem not the cost of the drive.
That's true, but the point here is that SSDs cost a lot more so the firmware should be more robust, not less. I don’t think anyone can argue against the fact that SSDs appear to have far more firmware issues than HDDs.

Granted it does piss me off to find out my drive specifically has this bug, I just bought it a month ago for 350$ as an upgrade for the intel G2.
I understand your sentiment, but for different reasons. I got a bigger SSD (300GB) over my 120MB version for my Steam games, but it absolutely was not worth it. Steam still takes a long time to startup so it’s clearly not I/O bound.

Also moving my Steam folder to the SSD has messed up my overall directory structure, so now I have to monitor two partitions to keep track of my substantial gaming library. I’ve actually moved Steam back to the Caviar Black because it annoyed me so much, and I’ve noticed little performance loss by doing so.

As for my applications (non-games), they load about a second faster on the SSD than the Caviar Black, and only the first time I start them up after a reboot.

Subsequent re-launches obviously come from the disk cache, so they’re instant because I/O is no longer part of the equation. So it’s absolutely not worth having them on the SSD either.

If I knew what I know now, I’d just get a small 32-64GB SSD for Windows and leave everything else on the HDD. Anything bigger and you’re just paying for a horrifically expensive data drive IMO.

I’m just not seeing whatever other people appear to be seeing when they sing performance praises of these devices.
 

kami

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For me to use it as bulk storage space.... Around 7 cents a gig. Long way off.
 

taltamir

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The 1TB/platter Hitachi can still manage 160MB/sec at around halfway into its platter:
And it drops all the way down to 90 at the very center, the drop is more pronounced then on an SSD.
And again, just looking at the sequential speed when most real world stuff is limited by random speed. At which modern SSDs get 100x that of a HDD.

That's true, but the point here is that SSDs cost a lot more so the firmware should be more robust, not less. I don’t think anyone can argue against the fact that SSDs appear to have far more firmware issues than HDDs.
Are you kidding? for every new generation of HDDs horror stories are abound.
So yes, I will argue the "fact" that SSDs have more firmware issues.

I understand your sentiment, but for different reasons. I got a bigger SSD (300GB) over my 120MB version for my Steam games, but it absolutely was not worth it. Steam still takes a long time to startup so it’s clearly not I/O bound.
That would be the steam client, but what of the games. How fast do they load levels? Has texture pop been reduces?

Also moving my Steam folder to the SSD has messed up my overall directory structure, so now I have to monitor two partitions to keep track of my substantial gaming library. I’ve actually moved Steam back to the Caviar Black because it annoyed me so much, and I’ve noticed little performance loss by doing so.
why don't you use one of the steam game relocators?
 

Ashenor

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Just bought and installed my first SSD last night, bought a Crucial M4 256g for $199.

That was the price/size that was good enough to get me to bite. I have a 1.5 tb drive now that is storage.
 

TakeNoPrisoners

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I won't switch until 2TB can be had for around $200. By that point I will probably need much more storage and 2TB just won't cut it.
 

BFG10K

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And it drops all the way down to 90 at the very center, the drop is more pronounced then on an SSD.
Then empty both drives and find TRIM won’t fix the problem. You need to secure erase it. So the empty SSD will still have slow write speeds while the empty HDD will write faster until it hits about the middle of its platter.

Also the drive tested was 240GB. So, we have a short-stroked Hitachi offering 500GB at 160-180 MB/sec sequential, or we have the SSD giving you 160MB/sec across 240GB, with the latter costing ten times more per GB, and having less than half the capacity.

As for the real world, it’s possible somebody that writes big video files and fills up the drive might run into this problem. Big video files are sequential and are usually already compressed.

And again, just looking at the sequential speed when most real world stuff is limited by random speed. At which modern SSDs get 100x that of a HDD.
Uh no, maybe in synthetics but not in the real world:



That test used 22,696 files with an average size of 39.4KB, for a total size of 923MB. It’s a real life random access file copy, not some synthetic 4KQD32 rubbish.

Surprise, the VelociRaptor beats the M4 and doesn’t do too badly against the other SSDs. The fastest SSD in their test isn’t even twice as fast, much less 100 times like you claim.

And the Raptor has four times the capacity so it can comfortably fit all my games and data, unlike any of those SSDs. And it won’t crap itself if you RAID it because it doesn’t need TRIM.

Are you kidding? for every new generation of HDDs horror stories are abound.
So yes, I will argue the "fact" that SSDs have more firmware issues.
Please start by listing three documented critical HDD firmware bugs in recent memory. I can list three for SSDs: OCZ BSOD, Intel 8MB, Crucial timer bug.

Heck, Anand’s review said OCZ was still blue screening during BF3 even with the latest firmware.

That would be the steam client, but what of the games. How fast do they load levels? Has texture pop been reduces?
Level load times are typically a few seconds faster, but only the first time you load them after booting the system. After that there’s no benefit because it’s all cached. Also the vast majority of my games don’t stream and instead load the entire level into memory, so I/O won’t help there.

I’m not going to go through my entire library and figure out which games stream so I can manually copy those to an SSD. If I wanted to waste time coddling my data like that then I’d stick to a RAM disk. I don’t need an SSD for that.

why don't you use one of the steam game relocators?
Because the few seconds I save from an SSD the first time I load a level is more than offset by the maintenance time needed to keep such a system in operation.
 
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bleucharm28

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Well...I'm definitely a noob when it comes to SSD's. I received my SSD's this week but don't have the time to install/reinstall too much stuff. I don't understand what happens after a pair of SSD's in raid 0, degraded over time, no trim support.

So the card is done a deal? no way to set it back to what it was before. What about reloading OS?
 

aaksheytalwar

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When I can get 3/4 TB drives for $300-400ish per SSD, I will probably buy a few of them, one/two at a time.
 

althaz

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I'm about to upgrade to a 240Gb SSD as my main drive which will house my primary programs/games and OS. Most of my storage will still be on my regular HDDs for now. $200 for a Terrabyte is the maximum I would pay for a storage SSD (but I would pay that in a heartbeat).
 
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