AT World of Warcraft Thread (Cataclysm, Where do you play, General BS and all that)

[bl4ckfl4g]

I'm so disappointed with mages right now. They are horrible and I'd never tell my guild, but there is absolutely no reason to bring one on heroics or raids.

you have to basically reforge everything to hit to even get close to the hit cap. This destroys your crit%.

Fire and Arcane have horrible mana issues. You can get by with fire but unless you get a lot of lucky crits with your pathetic crit% you'll be low on the meters. Arcane is just ridiculous since 4 stack AB can only be cast like 6 or 7 times until oom. When using the rotation you'll do great damage for 7 seconds and crap damage for the next 3 minutes until evoke is back up.

Frost doesn't have the mana issues but doesn't do great dps although it is much more consistent than fire.

I don't understand why Bliz made it so that mages have to reforge everything to hit and scaled up their mana cost to such ridiculous extent. There is just no way to keep up right now with any of the other dps classes except for maybe ret pally.

Thanks for listening to my rant

In better news, I got my tailoring to 525 and have been making a ton of money from the caster pvp gear. I also made an epic belt last night which I sold for 20k. I should have kept it for myself but wanted to stock up some gold. Gotta wait on all of my dreamcloth cooldowns before I can make the next one.

 

[blurredvision]

I love my server because it's PvE. I chose PvE from the very beginning because I didn't want to be randomly killed while I was trying to enjoy my game. It's worked well for me so far.

 

[Anubis]

all casters have to reforge to hit to get to the cap its not just mages, however locks have no mana issues

hell with 2 points in mana feed in the destro spec mana is near infinite

 

[Anubis]

Some of you may find this interesting
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/world-of-warcraft-cataclysm-directx-11-performance,2793.html

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

Hey Lupi, here is a tip for getting cloth.

Find a 525 Alchemist and have them make you Potion of treasure finding.

I bought the materials and ended up with 6 for about 800g. You can also look on the AH for the potion. I've found some that were very underpriced.

Go to deepholm (west side) where all the little low hp flayer packs run around. Use potion and AOE these. They have 10% of normal hp and give normal item drops.

The potion will give you occasional chests that usually have 6-10 cloth or volatiles + gold. Occasionally they will only have gold. With this plus the normal cloth the mobs drop, you'll get between 175-350 cloth per hour. In addition to that, I've been getting on average of 10-12 greens, and 200g worth of vendor trash. I've also gotten several boe blue drops and some jc recipes I've sold for 700g each.

I was the only one doing it on my server but as of last night there were a few others that caught on. It doesn't matter much because they are almost instant respawn. Just kill the ones u at, mount up and you should find another pack in that area within 20 seconds. That is with other farmers around.

I'm just letting you guys know because I'm pretty sure it'll get nerfed soon.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

all casters have to reforge to hit to get to the cap its not just mages, however locks have no mana issues

hell with 2 points in mana feed in the destro spec mana is near infinite

Well classes that use spirit get hit from that so it is much easier. (druids, S. Priest) I have no idea if that applies to Warlocks. Warlocks even with the 12% nerf right before cata are doing very well in raid and heroics right now. The melee classes (except ret) and boomkins are also doing well.

 

[Moonzi]

Yeah my OS is boomkin and when I run as DPS I'm averaging about 7k dps in normals and 10k on boss fights without a lot of movement. I've never played Boomkin before this expansions. This was before I hit 85 so not sure how that gauges.

 

[tHa ShIzNiT]

dang, at least mages have a CC. warriors have no utility and our dps is flat out terrible with regular 85 instance gear. maybe if I get full heroic gear it will go up. But we are dependent on flurry procs, and with a <15&#37; chance to crit, that doesn't happen all that often. Pretty much every class out damages me right now, where 2 weeks ago I was our guild's top dps. And I bring no utility to a dungeon so I'm lucky I'm in a guild or I would get kicked from all groups. Looks like its time to level my mage until they tweak things.

Edit: Also, we have to gear purely for hit as well, we need over 1000 hit to have decent rage generation and that doesn't leave much room for crit or anything else. If I was leading a group I would specifically not want warriors in it.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

dang, at least mages have a CC. warriors have no utility and our dps is flat out terrible with regular 85 instance gear. maybe if I get full heroic gear it will go up. But we are dependent on flurry procs, and with a <15% chance to crit, that doesn't happen all that often. Pretty much every class out damages me right now, where 2 weeks ago I was our guild's top dps. And I bring no utility to a dungeon so I'm lucky I'm in a guild or I would get kicked from all groups. Looks like its time to level my mage until they tweak things.

Edit: Also, we have to gear purely for hit as well, we need over 1000 hit to have decent rage generation and that doesn't leave much room for crit or anything else. If I was leading a group I would specifically not want warriors in it.

Well either way you don't want to level a mage if you are worried about dps right now. Pick Warlock or something. You'll be better off.

We'll be ok if they fix the mana pool. That is the main issue. Arcane = oom in 7 seconds. That isn't an exageration. Fire can be sustained but ONLY by casting aproximately 5 free scorches for every 1 fireball....which sucks for dps.

I still love my mage. I just hate feeling useless.

 

[tHa ShIzNiT]

I have always been a frost mage, so while my dps wont be optimal at least i'll have tons of utility. Kind of the opposite of my warrior.

Another thing about the warrior is...god damn pvp is terrible right now. I have no mortal strike debuff anymore. I literally cannot kill a lot of the classes. Druid, prot or holy paladin, most death knights (especially blood)...I have no chance to kill those classes in pvp. No chance. Healing classes just run around and instant heal themselves to full, I don't even make a scratch on them. I dueled a feral druid and he pounced, raked, ripped and ran away and watched me die from bleeds, it took about 15 seconds. Even a rogue is pretty much an insta-loss if they arent retarded. They bleed me and I die in 15-20 seconds. I've been playing since the game was released so I know exactly what I'm doing.

I just hope it gets better with gear. But you shouldn't need to get that much gear just to stand a chance. A fresh 85 druid can kill any class easily.

Basically, its pretty dire right now unless you're one of the OP classes.

 

[invidia]

I don't seem to have much of a problem with my Mage in pve. I have full hit for <87 mobs and 20&#37; crit with molten armor. Ran some heroics and I'm usually top on fights, except for trash pulls with tanks end up doing 10-15k dps. I can do around 9-12k on a boss fight; 14k if I'm lucky with crits. That might seem low compared to WoTLK numbers but who seriously here has see anyone pull anything over 15k on single target in Cata dungeons?

 

[Anubis]

I have always been a frost mage, so while my dps wont be optimal at least i'll have tons of utility. Kind of the opposite of my warrior.

Another thing about the warrior is...god damn pvp is terrible right now. I have no mortal strike debuff anymore. I literally cannot kill a lot of the classes. Druid, prot or holy paladin, most death knights (especially blood)...I have no chance to kill those classes in pvp. No chance. Healing classes just run around and instant heal themselves to full, I don't even make a scratch on them. I dueled a feral druid and he pounced, raked, ripped and ran away and watched me die from bleeds, it took about 15 seconds. Even a rogue is pretty much an insta-loss if they arent retarded. They bleed me and I die in 15-20 seconds. I've been playing since the game was released so I know exactly what I'm doing.

I just hope it gets better with gear. But you shouldn't need to get that much gear just to stand a chance. A fresh 85 druid can kill any class easily.

Basically, its pretty dire right now unless you're one of the OP classes.

the pvp/arena shit is going live this week, id imagine we will see some balance changes in terms of PVP coming soon.

and hopefully they will fix the broken ass warlock PVE rotations for all specs

Improved soul fire is the worst mechanic i have ever fucking seen

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

I don't seem to have much of a problem with my Mage in pve. I have full hit for <87 mobs and 20% crit with molten armor. Ran some heroics and I'm usually top on fights, except for trash pulls with tanks end up doing 10-15k dps. I can do around 9-12k on a boss fight; 14k if I'm lucky with crits. That might seem low compared to WoTLK numbers but who seriously here has see anyone pull anything over 15k on single target in Cata dungeons?

Well that is somewhat encouraging. Are you using a lot of scorches to conserve mana? Can I get your armory info? I wanna check your gear. Maybe I'm doing something horribly wrong. I've heard the same from others but if you are doing well we have hope. I just think if they fixed our mana issues all would be ok.

 

[lupi]

the pvp/arena shit is going live this week, id imagine we will see some balance changes in terms of PVP coming soon.

and hopefully they will fix the broken ass warlock PVE rotations for all specs

Improved soul fire is the worst mechanic i have ever fucking seen

Hey get off my bandwagon!

As I said when 4.0 went live, the new lock rotations (and to a lesser extent several other class rotations) makes me envious of a return to the old aff lock rotation.

 

[Anubis]

the 3.0 version of aff and its rotation was the best the spec has ever seen

also its not your bandwagon, the bitching thread about it is huge

 

[Bryf50]

Well that is somewhat encouraging. Are you using a lot of scorches to conserve mana? Can I get your armory info? I wanna check your gear. Maybe I'm doing something horribly wrong. I've heard the same from others but if you are doing well we have hope. I just think if they fixed our mana issues all would be ok.

I agree with you about our dps being shitty but I haven't really had a problem with mana. I just find that our crit is much too low to make fire viable. Going half a boss fight without a Hot Streak proc just doesn't work. I'm doing less dps at 85 then I did at 80 which is just lame.

 

[Lightflash]

With my mage in around 343 ilvl gear right now, I can say I only have mana issues if I mess something up as fire. There are ways to get around hit cap without reforging everything to obtain it. Gems, enchants, etc. will work wonders to get to the cap. I have tried two different specs with fire and can say that the 0 mana cost scorches are fine and dandy, but I liked just using mage armor instead of molten and just fireball spam to pyro like the old fire mage rotations. The hardest part right now is getting enough things to proc to use combustion to its potential instead of a semi-ramped up dot.

Worst mana fight so far was doing 10 man Ascendant Council. That fight makes me use every mana CD possible and even recreate a mana gem with mage armor running to get mana for the 25&#37; burn phase. Nefarian was a close second due to burn Ony then burn add then burn Nefarian with little time to get full evocations due to tail slash, aoe shadow bolts, lightning novas/fires.

The thing is fire is very streaky compared to what it was in ICC and it is going to take some better gear to get back to where molten armor and casting fireballs instead of scorches will be great. Damage is in top 5 to 10 depending on procs and feral druids just killing the meters along with hunters. Warriors can do decent damage with almost full BiS pre-raid gear and reforging everything to hit. Warlocks have some sick damage when everything starts working just like a mage. Love seeing tanks doing a lot more damage since every last drop of DPS is needed for some of the enrage mechanics/burn phases.

Rhajah on Arthas is my mage if you want to look at gear and spec.

 

[CVSiN]

18k horde and 4k alliance on my server according to census. Guess who the fuckwads usually are in a given place? Horde pretty much owned the Uldum town last night when I was there, attacking on sight. I bet a lot of ally switched so they wouldn't be underdogs in BGs or just in general... it wasn't always like this. If you're going to do that to save your own ass, you may as well go to PVE.

reverse is true here.. almost 75% alliance on Sargeras. and the funny part is when I was ally there I was constantly ganked by the elite Horde PVP guilds over and over.

now im Horde.. and im constantly ganked by every single alliance on the server.

so I still stand by what I said.. there are truckloads of immature fuckwads on both sides.
even if they are the minority faction they still exist.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

With my mage in around 343 ilvl gear right now, I can say I only have mana issues if I mess something up as fire. There are ways to get around hit cap without reforging everything to obtain it. Gems, enchants, etc. will work wonders to get to the cap. I have tried two different specs with fire and can say that the 0 mana cost scorches are fine and dandy, but I liked just using mage armor instead of molten and just fireball spam to pyro like the old fire mage rotations. The hardest part right now is getting enough things to proc to use combustion to its potential instead of a semi-ramped up dot.

Worst mana fight so far was doing 10 man Ascendant Council. That fight makes me use every mana CD possible and even recreate a mana gem with mage armor running to get mana for the 25% burn phase. Nefarian was a close second due to burn Ony then burn add then burn Nefarian with little time to get full evocations due to tail slash, aoe shadow bolts, lightning novas/fires.

The thing is fire is very streaky compared to what it was in ICC and it is going to take some better gear to get back to where molten armor and casting fireballs instead of scorches will be great. Damage is in top 5 to 10 depending on procs and feral druids just killing the meters along with hunters. Warriors can do decent damage with almost full BiS pre-raid gear and reforging everything to hit. Warlocks have some sick damage when everything starts working just like a mage. Love seeing tanks doing a lot more damage since every last drop of DPS is needed for some of the enrage mechanics/burn phases.

Rhajah on Arthas is my mage if you want to look at gear and spec.

Awesome, thanks for detailing your experience so far. I'll check out your gear and spec and see if it'll help. I didn't realize hunters were doing that well. I haven't leveled mine yet from 80 to 85 but was going to start slowly leveling him up soon as my alt.

 

[lupi]

the 3.0 version of aff and its rotation was the best the spec has ever seen

Yes and no, but there would be some quibbling between damage output/utility of items added just to add buttons to rotation etc...

also its not your bandwagon, the bitching thread about it is huge

It's not about the size of the bandwagon but the date you first pulled it!


Is this on the official and extremely dreadfull battlenet forums that deserves to have the designer of such plans run over by a bus?


I noticed this button bloat on many class specs when the spell rotations started coming out for the talent redesigns. In standard fashion blizz set a target of removing 1 button facerolls and overshot by a mile to needed a second computer running a sim program monitoring your wow computer to advise on proper input selection.

 

[Liekos]

Well now. I have to relate my experience I had this weekend on my Shaman. I've leveled her to 77 as Elemental. I've been wanting to try out Enhanced forever and a day. Just have never had the courage. I don't play her except to do JC/holiday dailies. That's how I've leveled her since 74. I wanted to level her so she would be ready for the new JC dailies. She had some really dated gear, so I went to the AH to see if there were any upgrades. It totally slipped my mind that with the expansion that there would be sub-lvl 80 gear. Found a lot of lvl 77 greens that in some instances tripled the stats I had some of my gear. So I geared up for Enhancement. Set my talents. Hearthed to Dalaran. Picked a low level mob in Dragonblight for a test. OMG! Went straight to Sholazar and then on to Icecrown to finish out to 80. Totally kicks ass with no downtime!

It doesn't end there. I'm sure you guys know the rare spawn in Icecrown, Putridus the Ancient. BIG guy. I've got 3 other level 80 toons on Alliance that have tried and failed to kill this guy. Usually because of all the adds I wind up with. They are only moderately geared. No raiding gear at all. My Shaman was level 79 in Icecrown and he showed up. I thought what the hell. I dropped him like a rock. Still had 3/4 of my health left AND had 4 other mobs beating on me at the same time. I think I'm in love.

 

[lupi]

One good change which I hope was universal is removal of spell immunities from elementals. Loved being a fire mage on a quest to kill a dozen fire elements, or frost mage against water elemental, or shammy against fire or wind elm. They may now have a slight reduction to equivalent incoming damage, but removal of blanket immunity is well deserved.

 

[lupi]

I see people playing enhance a bunch, but since the 3.0 changes to elm, I've really liked that spec although I've never tried enhance to compare.

 

[rh71]

^ would like to go enhance again as I was for leveling to 80, but I'm staying elemental now as I get to 85 since I want the caster gear, ultimately going to heal. Really not liking elemental though. Waiting for castbars multiple times per mob is no fun.

 

[lupi]

Gear is one of the main reasons I haven't tried enhance. This will never be a high detailed char, so if I get good elm stuff I can drop to heal and still do a decent job in most situations. Although with the way they further segragated specs via gear in cata I may have to rethink that position.