AT World of Warcraft Thread (Cataclysm, Where do you play, General BS and all that)

[RatboyX]

Just dinged 30 on my Gob Shaman, he is great fun to play with so far.

Re-rolled a Priest just to mess around, and got kicked out of three groups for SFK because I'm shadow spec... Does that really matter in early instances? I remember healing with my Shadow Priest a few years ago like it was no problem, never wiped or anything. I get end-game concerns... But spec concerns in a lvl 15-25 instance? :\

So much stuff has changed since I last played ('09), it's crazy... Took me forever to find the Org flightmaster, gave a big 'WTF' when I ran outside for the Zep and it wasn't there... Even the LFG is vastly changed. We interchange servers now for groups?

I'm having fun, glad to be back and fighting for the Horde

Not having ever played a priest I can’t say if healing in shadow at that level is now or ever was acceptable. I would have given you a chance and then if it was clear you couldn’t heal it as a shadow priest I would have kicked you.

Now that’s just what I would have done but I think the majority of people would (and obviously did) kick you immediately.

DPS classes end up waiting a long time in a LFG queue. I’ve waited forty five minutes for a group on my hunter. Healers and tanks however get in quickly, usually in less than 10 minutes. So people see someone in a DPS spec come join as a healer and it sort of ticks them off. The comments I have heard from people discussing this in the past are something like “I waited half an hour for this group only to get a healer that’s not in healing spec?”

And that brings me to your question about how LFG is working now. The looking for Group tool has changed considerably and pulls from a pool of people in your battle group. Battle groups are made up of multiple servers.

Again I would have waited to see if you could pull it off as a healer, especially at that level, but I understand why the group kicked you. Just a suggestion, if you are going to heal go in with a healer spec otherwise go in as DPS.

Glad to hear you are enjoying the game again there are a lot of things that you will find have changed considerably since 2009.

 

[Scotteq]

Just got a message from a guildie asking me a few questions about the enhancement shaman I occassionally run...specifically weapon-choice.

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Help me out here guys as I'd like to toss him a quick message back.

Thanks.

To add: Any time you are dependent on a weapon based instant attack (like Warriors and Enh Shaman are), what matters most is how hard your weapon hits (it's Min~Max Damage Range), rather than it's calculated DPS. For example, you could take a couple of imaginary weapons with equal stats and equal DPS, but different speeds:

Slow: 2.8 speed, 1000~1500 damage, 893 DPS
Fast: 1.6 speed, 615~815 damage , 893 DPS

Since these two have the same DPS and same stats, if you simply stand there autoattacking a target you would see roughly the same amount of damage done over time.


Now we multiply these two examples, which have the exact same DPS, by our "Instant Attack Of Doomy Doooooom". Doomy Doooooom has a multiplier of 140% weapon damage, so:

Slow: (Average base weapon damage hit of 1250) x 1.4 = 1750

Fast: (Average base weapon damage hit of 715) x 1.4 = 1001


And if we want to calculate for Critical hits, the difference is even greater - since your already harder hitting special gets multiplied again.


Given that your shammy friend's specials are limited by Mana and Cooldowns, rather than by weapon speed, it should be very clear that your friend wants the slowest weapon he can get his hands on.

 

[NomarFachix]

Not having ever played a priest I can’t say if healing in shadow at that level is now or ever was acceptable.

The comments I have heard from people discussing this in the past are something like “I waited half an hour for this group only to get a healer that’s not in healing spec?”

My first ever toon was a priest, leveled it to 60, and healed every single instance I ran as a shadow spec. Was never a problem!

What you're saying about the LFG makes complete sense though, and is most likely the cause. In any event I went back to leveling my Sham

 

[TheFamilyMan]

To add: Any time you are dependent on a weapon based instant attack (like Warriors and Enh Shaman are), what matters most is how hard your weapon hits (it's Min~Max Damage Range), rather than it's calculated DPS. For example, you could take a couple of imaginary weapons with equal stats and equal DPS, but different speeds:

Slow: 2.8 speed, 1000~1500 damage, 893 DPS
Fast: 1.6 speed, 615~815 damage , 893 DPS

Since these two have the same DPS and same stats, if you simply stand there autoattacking a target you would see roughly the same amount of damage done over time.


Now we multiply these two examples, which have the exact same DPS, by our "Instant Attack Of Doomy Doooooom". Doomy Doooooom has a multiplier of 140% weapon damage, so:

Slow: (Average base weapon damage hit of 1250) x 1.4 = 1750

Fast: (Average base weapon damage hit of 715) x 1.4 = 1001


And if we want to calculate for Critical hits, the difference is even greater - since your already harder hitting special gets multiplied again.


Given that your shammy friend's specials are limited by Mana and Cooldowns, rather than by weapon speed, it should be very clear that your friend wants the slowest weapon he can get his hands on.

And that's exactly what I read...just couldn't get back to the website to check my numbers and theory to get back with him...all I knew was it had something to do with the special attacks LOL. Thanks to you and Aikouka both for the great explanations!

 

[Aikouka]

It should be noted that normalization occurs on just about all instant strikes and alters the base damage used in calculations. Your weapon's base damage is used, which means slower weapons will have an advantage, but when AP is applied, a base speed modifier is used depending on the weapon type. I forget the exact numbers, but I think they're 1.6, 2.4 and 3.4.

They added this back in Vanilla because of rogues using the Barman's Shanker over MC epics because of its 2.0 weapon speed.

Speaking of rogues... last I knew, they could vary their off-hand speed as Assassination to little difference in DPS since it'd be the difference in mutilate damage vs more poison procs since deadly poison has a flat proc rate.

 

[chitwood]

They added this back in Vanilla because of rogues using the Barman's Shanker over MC epics because of its 2.0 weapon speed.

I remember this very well.

I believe arms warriors did the same thing with the Arcanite Reaper and its 3.8 weap speed.

 

[Scotteq]

I remember this very well.

I believe arms warriors did the same thing with the Arcanite Reaper and its 3.8 weap speed.

The Arcanite Reaper was *KING* in the original game.

 

[BassBomb]

haha, my cousin got scammed

he bought 3 30 day timecards for 3500 each, activated two on two different accounts and they worked showed 30 day expiry added to his time

next day that time is removed

 

[Aikouka]

It looks like daily heroic is being changed to 7 heroics per week... yay!

The Arcanite Reaper was *KING* in the original game.

Don't forget about The Nicker, which has apparently been renamed!

http://www.wowhead.com/item=13285/the-blackrock-slicer

 

[Scotteq]

It looks like daily heroic is being changed to 7 heroics per week... yay!



Don't forget about The Nicker, which has apparently been renamed!

http://www.wowhead.com/item=13285/the-blackrock-slicer

7 per week?


NICE!!! My Alts are happier now than they were yesterday!!

 

[TheFamilyMan]

It looks like daily heroic is being changed to 7 heroics per week... yay!

7 per week = 1 per day...isn't that what it currently is now or am I confuzzled?

 

[Glayde]

You can do all 7 for the week in a single day, instead of having to do one each day.

 

[TheFamilyMan]

You can do all 7 for the week in a single day, instead of having to do one each day.

Bah...they just need to remove that restriction altogether...I mean they already have the amount of VP you can get each week capped as it is.

Thanks for the clarification though.

 

[zokudu]

Just got a message from a guildie asking me a few questions about the enhancement shaman I occassionally run...specifically weapon-choice. I'm at work and cannot pull the website up (websense...bah) that described why fast weapons (such as daggers) wasn't optimal to an enhancement shammy. Since he isn't my main and I keep him geared just for heroic trash runs with guildies as they level up, I can't remember off the top of my head what the exact reasons are but I remember they have something to do with the procs from Windfury and Flametongue among other things. Am I wrong in remembering that daggers weren't a good choice while the maces/axes that are at or around the 2.60 speed the preferred choice.

Help me out here guys as I'd like to toss him a quick message back.

Thanks.

If he is still curious link him this

 

[jhbball]

Being offered 100k gold to power level a disc priest to 2700 in 3s bracket. Yay/Nay?

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

Being offered 100k gold to power level a disc priest to 2700 in 3s bracket. Yay/Nay?

How long would that take? 100k gold is pretty easy to get just by working with the AH.

 

[jhbball]

How long would that take? 100k gold is pretty easy to get just by working with the AH.

~1 week. Depending on his skill level/queues. Is there an up-to-date money making guide for the AH? Or do you have any tips? I have BS/JC as my professions. Making money is something I've never been good at in this game.

 

[NomarFachix]

I was amazed to find greenery/a forest in the middle of Desolace

 

[Aikouka]

Looks like the dungeon process is being a little bit more complicated than simply "one a day." You get the whole 7 heroics a week that provide 70 VP each, but now there are also 7 troll heroics a week that provide 140 VP each. However, you are limited to earning 980 VP a week from any combination of those 14 max heroic runs that will provide VP (7 normal, 7 troll). There's still the 1250 VP weekly limit which includes heroics and raids.

I could imagine doing the 7 troll raids to hit the 980 max would be incredibly boring since there are only 2 and they probably will not be too fast .

 

[rh71]

7 a week is kinda nice for DPS classes since they can just stay in the grp if they want to run more... instead of waiting 30+ minutes each time each day.

On the other hand, I wonder if that will limit the number of tanks/healers who need randoms toward the end of a week, making DPS queues even more ridiculous. As a healer, I would definitely knock out all 7 within 2 days. Not really sure why Blizz is allowing this... I mean sadly the highlight of my day is running these damn things JUST SO I HAVE SOMETHING TO DO. Blizz wants to keep me subscribed don't they?

 

[bonkers325]

How long would that take? 100k gold is pretty easy to get just by working with the AH.

to make 100k in a week will require a ton of seed money... and it will take you more than a week unless your server has a huge player base.

 

[Scotteq]

7 a week is kinda nice for DPS classes since they can just stay in the grp if they want to run more... instead of waiting 30+ minutes each time each day.

On the other hand, I wonder if that will limit the number of tanks/healers who need randoms toward the end of a week, making DPS queues even more ridiculous. As a healer, I would definitely knock out all 7 within 2 days. Not really sure why Blizz is allowing this... I mean sadly the highlight of my day is running these damn things JUST SO I HAVE SOMETHING TO DO. Blizz wants to keep me subscribed don't they?

My thoughts are more about how great the change is for people with Alts. It's usual that I "have to" miss my daily dungeons on my alts because I am scheduled to raid on my Main (who doesn't need any VP, really - except to buy boots for my alts). Conversely, on non~raid days I can only collect 1 day worth of VP on any alt.

This change would let me make up VP on my DK and Priest that I would ordinarily have to miss.

 

[jterrell]

My first ever toon was a priest, leveled it to 60, and healed every single instance I ran as a shadow spec. Was never a problem!

What you're saying about the LFG makes complete sense though, and is most likely the cause. In any event I went back to leveling my Sham

You don't heal as shadow any longer.

That is just goofy. Dual talent trees are available and very cheap now. You either have a second heal spec or you check the dps box. Making people wait for a queue and then they get some schmo who thinks he can heal as a shadow priest is wrong enough that they should be vote-kicked immediately and every time.

I played a priest from release on and a lot has changed including VE being heinously nerfed first for self them for group.

Shadow priests are insanely high dps and if they don't want to actually heal just queue DPS.

This is no different then the fury/arms/ret/unholy tank....

 

[Juddog]

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I find it hard to believe that someone would fall for this stuff. This is for an e-mail address that I never used on any of my WoW accounts, only to register for WoW related messageboards. I have to wonder which messageboard caused it, I wish there was a way to narrow it down.

 

[NomarFachix]

You don't heal as shadow any longer.

That is just goofy. Dual talent trees are available and very cheap now. You either have a second heal spec or you check the dps box. Making people wait for a queue and then they get some schmo who thinks he can heal as a shadow priest is wrong enough that they should be vote-kicked immediately and every time.

I played a priest from release on and a lot has changed including VE being heinously nerfed first for self them for group.

Shadow priests are insanely high dps and if they don't want to actually heal just queue DPS.

This is no different then the fury/arms/ret/unholy tank....

No doubt, I had planned on dual spec... But we were level 18, lol. I'm not arguing he's wrong, just seemed like RFK is a little early to be spec complaining. In any event... game has changed a lot! Getting used to it.