Funny, I literally feel the exact opposite. I might quit WoW, and one of the reasons is no flying until at least 6.1. You're more than welcome to never use a flyer, let those of us who enjoy it keep what we love about the game.
Funny, I literally feel the exact opposite. I might quit WoW, and one of the reasons is no flying until at least 6.1. You're more than welcome to never use a flyer, let those of us who enjoy it keep what we love about the game.I think no flying will really rekindle what I loved about vanilla. The sense of exploration, distance, and actually knowing a map and the way from A to B, is the key to immersion for me. I'm not nostalgic about the rest of vanilla (I'm not one of them) but this is something I had hoped for but never dared to believe they would try again. I hope they skip flying altogether from now TBH.
I bet you are the type of player who has no problem to pay $50 to boost a new character from 1 to 90. So much more convenient than having to level aaaaallllll the way through that boring game.
You are the type of player that has ruined WoW in so many respect. You changed it from a living fantasy world where you could have adventures, to "just a game".
But don't worry. Blizzard loves you. The whole game is slowly catering towards you and your buddies. Within 24 months you will be able to buy your max-level pvp and pve gear. With dollars. Soooooo much more convenient than having to do that boring battleground and raiding grind.
I bet you are the type of player who has no problem to pay $50 to boost a new character from 1 to 90. So much more convenient than having to level aaaaallllll the way through that boring game.
You are the type of player that has ruined WoW in so many respect. You changed it from a living fantasy world where you could have adventures, to "just a game".
But don't worry. Blizzard loves you. The whole game is slowly catering towards you and your buddies. Within 24 months you will be able to buy your max-level pvp and pve gear. With dollars. Soooooo much more convenient than having to do that boring battleground and raiding grind.
"Your the type of player that ruined my game".I bet you are the type of player who has no problem to pay $50 to boost a new character from 1 to 90. So much more convenient than having to level aaaaallllll the way through that boring game.
You are the type of player that has ruined WoW in so many respect. You changed it from a living fantasy world where you could have adventures, to "just a game".
But don't worry. Blizzard loves you. The whole game is slowly catering towards you and your buddies. Within 24 months you will be able to buy your max-level pvp and pve gear. With dollars. Soooooo much more convenient than having to do that boring battleground and raiding grind.
When you strip what people perceive as "core" abilities from a class people will cry "I'm broken!". When you step back and realize everyone is claiming the same thing, you can start to realize there's a new "base" level of abilities and you may not be so broken after all. Rather, you're just as broken as everyone else.Read through some of the class comments for the beta. Seems several have many thinking they are near broke or at least need massive changes still.
Absolutely, the pre-LK ability patch was like this. Because abilities/talents were so jacked up they just straight buffed the shit out of damage while they reworked them. Some cases it broke pvp so bad like divine storm as holy damage was 1 shotting people with buffs, cleaved for 100%. You could take out 3-4 people at once.I fully expect things to be broken upon launch. I can't speak for PvP, but in PvE things feel good right now, relatively balanced, aside from the massive stat bloat at top levels. The stat squish along with massive changes to classes plus removing entire combat stats and replacing them with brand new ones is bound to result in problems. That's way to many variables to change at once. The minmaxers will quickly identify unintentionally overpowered builds which will result in a whole new cycle of nerfs and rebalancing.
If you don't enjoy leveling an alt, then why do you want to level an alt ? If people find leveling or playing an alt takes too much time, why do they keep crying that playing an alt should be more time-friendly ? The only result is that instead of playing a main and an alt, they will play a main and 10 alts. And then they will cry that it takes too much effort to maintain all their 10+ characters.Do you really believe that every alt should have to go through the same painful grind?
Heirlooms are a ridiculous idea. They basically remove the whole gearing up during leveling. They make professions useless. Old content has been nerfed to hell already. And with heirlooms it becomes really ridiculous. Heirlooms are also not fun at all for new players playing their first character (dungeons, battlegrounds, etc).Things like bind on account, heirlooms, and flying have kept the game alive, not killed it.
I am sorry for the confusion, but I responded to JujuFish who will quit WoW if he can't fly in WoD.Peppered said:NO I stated that I could not get into pug raids
It does. WoW is not a single-player game. If you don't see that at all, there is no point in discussing with you.Phoenix86 said:how quickly someone else levels doesn't affect your experience. How does me buying a lvl 90 affect your leveling experience?
Oh, that was to me? How laughable. Well then, let me respond.I am sorry for the confusion, but I responded to JujuFish who will quit WoW if he can't fly in WoD..
No, I am quite the opposite. I actually like to quest, and I have 5 horde and 5 alliance 90s, and another horde soon to be added to the tally.I bet you are the type of player who has no problem to pay $50 to boost a new character from 1 to 90. So much more convenient than having to level aaaaallllll the way through that boring game.
Explain to me how having flight changes it from a living fantasy world? Hint: it doesn't. In fact, it does the opposite. Forcing ground mounts is illogical and breaks the illusion of the world. YOU want to change it from a living fantasy world where you could have adventures to "just a game".You are the type of player that has ruined WoW in so many respect. You changed it from a living fantasy world where you could have adventures, to "just a game".
I can only hope so.But don't worry. Blizzard loves you. The whole game is slowly catering towards you and your buddies.
I don't PVP nor do I have an interest there. Your assumption (you know what they say when you assume) about my stance on PVE is particularly funny considering I raid heroics and have an 585 item level. How about you?Within 24 months you will be able to buy your max-level pvp and pve gear. With dollars. Soooooo much more convenient than having to do that boring battleground and raiding grind.
Been away from Wow some time after the expansion with the Death Knights.
Wondered how hard it would be to lv up or solo a Mage?
I may return as a Mage if they are not to hard to solo being I have no friends that play wow
and work a 12 swing so it makes it hard to be on with others at a certain time of the day .
Liked the Idea of playing a Monk but figured there wear very overpopulated class
Absolutely, the pre-LK ability patch was like this. Because abilities/talents were so jacked up they just straight buffed the shit out of damage while they reworked them. Some cases it broke pvp so bad like divine storm as holy damage was 1 shotting people with buffs, cleaved for 100%. You could take out 3-4 people at once.
Are you serious ? That's the first time ever I hear someone say that. Usually the argument is: "it doesn't matter, let me fly". You are reversing it, and I have no idea how you would justify that.Explain to me how having flight changes it from a living fantasy world? Hint: it doesn't. In fact, it does the opposite. Forcing ground mounts is illogical and breaks the illusion of the world.
It does. There are 2 kinds of players in WoW. Those who play because it's a fantasy game. And those who play because it's a numbers game. For me it's something in between. But I am aware that the fantasy part is very important.What I fail to see in your tirade above is what flying has anything to do with buying character boosts or grinding.
Everything above has absolutely zero to do with flight and lack thereof, except your 3 hour trip. If spending 3 hours to travel on a 60% mount across a continent is what makes a game good for you, that's great. It's a completely subjective reason to like the world. Perhaps I was less blown away by the size of it because of other game worlds that dwarf it, like Asheron's Call or, of course, Daggerfall.Are you serious ? That's the first time ever I hear someone say that. Usually the argument is: "it doesn't matter, let me fly". You are reversing it, and I have no idea how you would justify that.
As I wrote before, the whole game is a Skinner-box. You are a hamster in a thread-mill. In itself, that's not fun. Blizzard needs to make the game attractive. It does so by changing it from an abstract numbers-based game, to an entertaining fantasy game. Where you are a hero in an medieval world with dragons, wielding a sword, or shooting fireballs. All those elements are fluff. Each of those elements is not essential to the game-mechanics. But they are essential to the game. Without the fluff, nothing remains. Imho the game world is a *huge* factor in the attractiveness of the game. The size, the diversity, the danger, the surprises, the views, everything. Of course this was the strongest in vanilla. I remember seeing the world map, when I was lvl-10 in Tirisfall Glades. And I realized how huge the world was. I couldn't believe it. When I was lvl33 or so, I bought a mount. With a friend we traveled from Undercity to Booty Bay. Took us 3 hours. That was 9 years ago, and I still remember that trip.
Raids have changed from "fighting scary monsters" to looking mostly at your UI. I know I do. I've tweaked my UI a lot, I now know what I'm doing during a fight. It's efficient, but I'm not sure it adds to the fantasy feel of the game.
I completely disagree with everything here. Of course, it's also all completely subjective.Same with the world. When you fly over it, you don't feel the world anymore. You don't feel the size.
I think this part does have some merit in a sense. Being able to see all around you does take away much of the chances for surprises. Having said that, I'm not the type of person to get surprised, so lack of flight doesn't bring any for me.You don't get surprised.
Again something I disagree with and something that's entirely subjective.You don't feel attached to the world anymore.
I would agree with this in general. A lot of people do hit max level and ignore the rest of the world. I'm not one of those people, but I see it a lot. What I don't understand is why you appear to believe that removing flight will cause people to get out more. I think it will do the exact opposite. I know it will for me if I decide to play WoD, and it will for several people I've talked to.I think the majority of Blizzard's financial budget for an expansion-pack goes into designing the world and the NPCs in it. That money is not well used. Because as soon as you hit max-level, you stand in your city and wait for queues to pop. And that expensive world adds little to the game anymore.
It was there to show that I do not shy away from the raid grind, since that's what you were talking about. It wasn't to say I'm better than you because my item level is high, it was to say "Hey, I do the grind, here's my proof. Do you have proof you do the grind, or were you just hypocritically blowing smoke to complain about something?" As for your final sentence, I'm in a similar situation. My guild raids 3 nights a week and I'm frustrated at our slow progression and how often we carry less-than-stellar people. I know I could move onto a guild that's better, perhaps 14/14h, and get to see all the content, maybe grab a heroic boa or two before the expansion. But this guild is where my friends are, and my biggest reason for playing WoW (and the biggest reason I would play WoD) is to game with friends. No leaving for greener pastures.I don't know what item-level has to do with all of this. I started MoP after a 2-year break. Cataclysm was just terrible. MoP is a lot better. I've been in the same guild since 2005. (A guild of The Older Gamers, where every player is at least 25 years old). So I don't want to change guild. But the heroic group in my guild is tight, and there's no spot for me. I've been depending on pugs. I found a pug I joined for flex a few times. Only 1 night a week. Then when cross-realm normal raiding became available, we started doing normals. And then later heroics. We've got Shamans down, but not on farm yet. I think the group will soon be able to kill up to Nazgrim in our one night per week. But that's probably the limit. Wing-3 seems too hard if you don't have a 2nd night for progress. Especially with a pug. My item-level is 579 now. Nothing to be ashamed of. If I keep playing for the next 2 months, I'm sure I will get 583-584, missing only T16-shoulders and legs. If I wanted to be quicker/better, I would have to leave my guild, and I don't wanna do that.
It was removed because it was a tedious bit of the game that few, I imagine, enjoyed. Like having to buy arrows/bullets on your hunter, it didn't add to the game play at all. I can understand why you'd dislike that from a role-playing perspective, but I would imagine you like the RP part of MMORPG more than most.It does. There are 2 kinds of players in WoW. Those who play because it's a fantasy game. And those who play because it's a numbers game. For me it's something in between. But I am aware that the fantasy part is very important.
I give you a small example. As a rogue I enjoyed making my own poisons. A small relaxing ritual after every raid. But it had to be removed. Because it was tedious, was not a challenge, etc, no idea why people wanted it removed. Rogues are now so convenient, that they are the least played class.
This has little to nothing to do with convenience and a lot to do with the combination of having a 10 year old game and a general shift in gamers away from MMOs. There were nearly 50% more people playing MMOs in 2010 than there are now.In fact, WoW has become so convenient, the player-base has been cut in half.
The main problem you have is the same one your accusing everyone else of. "My vision of the game is better than yours", because of that, I'm right and your wrong.
You can choose to go slow, you can't choose to go fast if the game requires a long, slow grind. The only answer is to provide a fast path, and if people want to take it, it's there.
Take the raid model with LFR. The heroic crowd went crazy over this, catering to casuals, etc. Of course, LFR doesn't impact heroic groups at all, they are on another level, but they still complained. There are ways to make something easier, or harder, without impacting people who don't want that change. Want hard? Do heroics. Want easy? Do LFR. Both camps should be happy, but of course someone will always bitch.
LFR impacts heroics, but not as yiu say. Doesn't lower the heroics pool, but "requires" those raiders to do LFR to increase their RNG for loot upgrades as they attempt the heroic content. This is the main reason the tier and trinkets removed from LFR.