AT World of Warcraft Thread (Mists, Where do you play, General BS and all that)

[rh71]

^ having alts, that lesser charm count down to 50 will be a huge help. Too many dailies otherwise.

Other than that, i'd rather have tier gear for the bonuses than the 522 valor gear. Still would rather hold out on buying tier slots...

 

[rh71]

the runes change is already in place... thought it was just PTR. Wonder if the SPA rep gear is in place...

 

[Phoenix86]

^ having alts, that lesser charm count down to 50 will be a huge help. Too many dailies otherwise.

Other than that, i'd rather have tier gear for the bonuses than the 522 valor gear. Still would rather hold out on buying tier slots...

I got lucky and got non tier chest/belt and tier gloves/pants drops before I had the valor to buy them. Pretty much got the drops as soon as I had the rep too so now I don't need valor at all until the upgrade vendor opens again. I'll have to double check and make sure there's not a slight upgrade in stats but all 522 ilvl pieces.

Last night's raid was good we got all our farm content down + new boss, on to Primordius who I expect will be a push over.

 

[lupi]

They must have just done it then as I bought before and after the weekly reset tuesday and the text said 90 for me still.

 

[diesbudt]

I got lucky and got non tier chest/belt and tier gloves/pants drops before I had the valor to buy them. Pretty much got the drops as soon as I had the rep too so now I don't need valor at all until the upgrade vendor opens again. I'll have to double check and make sure there's not a slight upgrade in stats but all 522 ilvl pieces.

Last night's raid was good we got all our farm content down + new boss, on to Primordius who I expect will be a push over.

Primordius is. He has 2 easy simple strats to be done, 1 that requires good dps, and 1 that just requires thought and a few tries to get it right.


We personally are working on Heroic Horridon for our 3rd Heroic kill. Getting to 3rd/4th door almost every attempt. It is just getting past that is the current hurdle.

 

[rh71]

They must have just done it then as I bought before and after the weekly reset tuesday and the text said 90 for me still.

spent all 90 on my main too... blue post said maintenance is at 7am PST (even if it's just rolling restarts). I did it before that yesterday on him.

Shado-Pan Assault belts now require Friendly reputation to purchase, down from Revered.
Shado-Pan Assault chest pieces now require Honored reputation to purchase, down from Revered.

just confirmed that this wasn't hotfixed in Since I'm going to cap valor if I don't spend it on my monk healer (not yet SPA revered) I'll just buy 1 agi gear.

 

[lupi]

I try to do all the LFR instances every week... any reason why I can't queue for all of them at once? (similar to BGs)
Hoping to fix that in 5.3.

 

[JoetheLion]

I've returned to WoW after a long pause and is it only me or is Enha Shaman pretty crappy for PvE? I've been to some dungeons and even though equip is not the best, it's neither crappy, but the damage wasn't any good. I've even checked online if my spell rotation isn't bad, but it wasn't the problem either.

Btw: I've surfed net aimlessly yesterday and found this photo and it instantly reminded me of all the blue fires in undead locations like the old Scholomance.

 

[lupi]

I thought enhancement was the best pve spec and that's why they kept trying to buff elm.

 

[JoetheLion]

I don't know, I've made a new character, pandaren shaman, currently level 68 and it completely sucks when compared to dk, monk, lock, mage.... I don't know what I'm doing wrong, this is not my first character and I've never had problems with dps with any other char.

 

[Sixguns]

My enhac shammy is awesome. It might be that he is decked out in full heirloom gear but at 74 I plow through stuff.

 

[diesbudt]

I've returned to WoW after a long pause and is it only me or is Enha Shaman pretty crappy for PvE? I've been to some dungeons and even though equip is not the best, it's neither crappy, but the damage wasn't any good. I've even checked online if my spell rotation isn't bad, but it wasn't the problem either.

Btw: I've surfed net aimlessly yesterday and found this photo and it instantly reminded me of all the blue fires in undead locations like the old Scholomance.

Enh. barely ahead of ele right now.

So a well played enhance shaman still does pretty good damage.

Realistic (~496 ilevel) endgame DPS, enhancement shaman is ranked #9 our of 26 DPS specs in game.

Realistically (with a +/-5% error reporting)

1 - Frost Mage
2 - Destro Lock
3 - Arcane Mage
4 - Frost 2h DK
5 - Frost DW Dk
6 - Feral
7 - Demo Lock
8 - Windwalker DW monk
9 - Enhancement shaman
10 - Arms warrior
11 - BM Hunter
12 - Surv Hunter
13 - Unholy DK
14 - Marks Hunter
15 - Fury Non TG Warrior
16 - Ele Shaman
17 - Afflic. Warlock
18 - Sub Rogue
19 - Retribution Paladin
20 - Windwalker 2h Monk
21 - Fire Mage
22 - Shadow priest
23 - Balance druid
24 - Assassin rogue
25 - Fury 2h Warrior
26 - Combat Rogue

Now BIS geared in Heroic thunderforged (541) the top 5 rankings are:

1. Arcane Mage
2. Frost Mage
3. Fire Mage
4. Demo Warlock
5. Afflict Warlock
(enhancement is 6th)

 

[Josh123]

Enh. barely ahead of ele right now.

So a well played enhance shaman still does pretty good damage.

Realistic (~496 ilevel) endgame DPS, enhancement shaman is ranked #9 our of 26 DPS specs in game.

Realistically (with a +/-5% error reporting)

1 - Frost Mage
2 - Destro Lock
3 - Arcane Mage
4 - Frost 2h DK
5 - Frost DW Dk
6 - Feral
7 - Demo Lock
8 - Windwalker DW monk
9 - Enhancement shaman
10 - Arms warrior
11 - BM Hunter
12 - Surv Hunter
13 - Unholy DK
14 - Marks Hunter
15 - Fury Non TG Warrior
16 - Ele Shaman
17 - Afflic. Warlock
18 - Sub Rogue
19 - Retribution Paladin
20 - Windwalker 2h Monk
21 - Fire Mage
22 - Shadow priest
23 - Balance druid
24 - Assassin rogue
25 - Fury 2h Warrior
26 - Combat Rogue

Now BIS geared in Heroic thunderforged (541) the top 5 rankings are:

1. Arcane Mage
2. Frost Mage
3. Fire Mage
4. Demo Warlock
5. Afflict Warlock
(enhancement is 6th)

How am I not surprised?

 

[Sixguns]

Enh. barely ahead of ele right now.

So a well played enhance shaman still does pretty good damage.

Realistic (~496 ilevel) endgame DPS, enhancement shaman is ranked #9 our of 26 DPS specs in game.

Realistically (with a +/-5% error reporting)

1 - Frost Mage
2 - Destro Lock
3 - Arcane Mage
4 - Frost 2h DK
5 - Frost DW Dk
6 - Feral
7 - Demo Lock
8 - Windwalker DW monk
9 - Enhancement shaman
10 - Arms warrior
11 - BM Hunter
12 - Surv Hunter
13 - Unholy DK
14 - Marks Hunter
15 - Fury Non TG Warrior
16 - Ele Shaman
17 - Afflic. Warlock
18 - Sub Rogue
19 - Retribution Paladin
20 - Windwalker 2h Monk
21 - Fire Mage
22 - Shadow priest
23 - Balance druid
24 - Assassin rogue
25 - Fury 2h Warrior
26 - Combat Rogue

Now BIS geared in Heroic thunderforged (541) the top 5 rankings are:

1. Arcane Mage
2. Frost Mage
3. Fire Mage
4. Demo Warlock
5. Afflict Warlock
(enhancement is 6th)

I think its wrong that pure dps classes are not at the top. How is a rogue so far down the list. A hybrid class should not top charts imo.

 

[diesbudt]

I think its wrong that pure dps classes are not at the top. How is a rogue so far down the list. A hybrid class should not top charts imo.

The hybrid vs pure dps class argument is stupid. All Dps should be on par, no matter what. You play what you enjoy.

However did you not see top 2 "classes" were pure dps (lock and mage)

Rogues are jsut doing bad atm, because a lot of fights hinder a rogue from using his cooldowns and abilities to the best of their ability.

Horridon, really shows this. With the adds. Since rogues have to switch targets so often, they really do not have combo points to play off of. Thus DPS is lowered. Add in some fights have plenty of movement, and combat rogue has some cooldowns that require the boss not to move for a little bit.

Edit: Basically rogues are just not in a good place this expansion. Hunters are in a matter of speaking in a perfect place. Smack dab in the middle in all 3 specs.

 

[waggy]

I think its wrong that pure dps classes are not at the top. How is a rogue so far down the list. A hybrid class should not top charts imo.

since when is Mage a hybrid class?

I do hate where rogues are though. my rogue can't get the dps i know it can. like disbudt says we just don't get good use of the combo points and it sucks.

 

[Sixguns]

since when is Mage a hybrid class

Wasnt talking about them.

 

[ViperXX]

The hybrid vs pure dps class argument is stupid. All Dps should be on par, no matter what. You play what you enjoy.

Wrong. Hybrid classes do all 3 things, tank, heal and dps.
Pure classes: Rogues/Mages/Warlocks do one thing, DPS. They should always be at the top of the DPS chart because that's all they were intended to do.

 

[Phoenix86]

How am I not surprised?

It's really not quite fair to look at top of the top lists, that's so very few people in the population it's insane.

http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overall_DPS/10N/all/14/60/default/
This is much more representative of the average raider.

http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overall_DPS/10H/all/14/60/default/
This is much more representative of the high end raider.

With exception of unholy DK and assassination rogue the spread on DPS is very limited meaning most classes/specs are very balanced. Top to bottom is less than 15%. If you clip the top/bottom 2 (specs likely needing balancing) it's within 10%. Arguing who's #1 vs #5 is really moot when the actual dps difference is this close.

Hybrid vs pure: Sorry that argument was decided after BC, can't believe people still have that mindset. If a hybrid (which is being able to do 2 of 3 roles not all 3) can't fulfill the one role they are providing in a given fight why bring them? Especially with pure classes bringing just as much utility/buffs as hybrids these days. People would just stack them for all dps slots.

Give it up. I play a pure, switched after BC too...

 

[Phoenix86]

Wrong. Hybrid classes do all 3 things, tank, heal and dps.
Pure classes: Rogues/Mages/Warlocks do one thing, DPS. They should always be at the top of the DPS chart because that's all they were intended to do.

That's your opinion and it's irrelevant because the devs decided all dps specs should be on par with each other. There's 0 need to bicker about this point.

 

[lupi]

looks like background downloader is going.

 

[diesbudt]

Wrong. Hybrid classes do all 3 things, tank, heal and dps.
Pure classes: Rogues/Mages/Warlocks do one thing, DPS. They should always be at the top of the DPS chart because that's all they were intended to do.

See this is where people do not understand Hybrid classes.

They CAN do multiple things. But they cannot at once, they choose which one. It is not like a shaman healer can all teh sudden start doing 100k+ dps to match other dps. He has to change specs. And add on top that spec gear stats wanted is usually much different than what he uses for healing, thus needs a whole new set of gear.

Or take the Paladin. A DPS paladin cannot tank, or heal without getting a full different set of gear. Strength gear does nothing for healing paladins.

Also back when hybrids did about 5-10% less damage, they did bring all the buffs and raid enhancing abilities. So they were still given spots. However today, Only 8 buffs are left, and are easy to fill with little to no hybrid dps. Thus they had to equalize it otherwise hybrids would never be brought, and the game community would suffer over it.

 

[I Saw OJ]

Anyone have a scroll of resurrection? Looking to get back into WoW a bit...

 

[Redshirt 24]

Ayup...shoot me your email address via PM.

 

[lupi]

Patch 5.3 PTR - Build 16896
There was a very minor PTR patch this afternoon, it only had two significant changes, one of them being the addition of the Block Chat Channel Invites option.

The other change was an increase in the amount of PvP Power Rating needed to get 1% PvP Power from 265 to 400.