AT World of Warcraft Thread (WotLK, where do you play, General BS and all that)

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Aikouka

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Originally posted by: Anubis
you know that many many people will do this college kids, and people that took off work

I took off work too... what's your point? I highly doubt I will hit 80 by Sunday (but of course I'm also making a Death Knight first). Although I should add that I doubt I'll be hindering my usual plans (with friends) for a game... I'm not that obsessive nor glued to a computer (which if you knew me, anyone that does it would be pretty sad to be considered "worse" than I am).

Originally posted by: Jax Omen
Aikouka, you're forgetting the dedicated groups of 5 people who will literally run instances 24-7 to 80.

If the scaling of XP in Wrath is anything like it was in TBC, each fullclear of a decent-sized instance should be worth ~15% or more of a level.

Instances are such a different beast in WotLK... it's just that they're not long at all. Like in ummm I think it's Azjol'Nerub, there are 7 trash mob pulls from the beginning to the last boss. I think you spend more time walking around trying to get to Anub'arak than you do actually fighting mobs (you gotta drop into these pools of water twice and do these long walk arounds... it's annoying).

If you really want an instance to use for experience, I'd say The Nexus is your best choice. Lots of easy, easy trash and four bosses (Utgarde only has three... well one boss is two bosses at the same time).

Next three posts moved from previous WoW thread.
-Schadenfroh (AT Mod)
 

Tremulant

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Originally posted by: eddiebravo
short instances = amazing. not everyone can play in 2+hr spurts, and i think its rude to join a party and get halfway through an instance if you know you are going to have to log after 40mins or so.

I like short instances as well.

I mean, I did play for 2 hrs last night, but in that time we ran Arcatraz and Heroic Mechanar, with a good 20 min break in between the runs.

I'd like to run Botanica tonight (heroic if it's the daily), so I can get the other piece of the arcatraz key.
 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: Aikouka
Originally posted by: Anubis
you know that many many people will do this college kids, and people that took off work

I took off work too... what's your point?

my point is that people have the time to do it and will play damn near 24/7 to do it

also you are a special case you have like 12 chars and dual box, if you were dedicated to lvling 1 char to 80 you could do it by sunday
 

Aikouka

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Short instances are nice, but they seem very insignificant when you actually do them. There's only three bosses with maybe a loot table of 3 items on each... it's like an instanced group quest (if you have the quests).

Originally posted by: Anubis
also you are a special case you have like 12 chars and dual box, if you were dedicated to lvling 1 char to 80 you could do it by sunday

All you lose is mob kill exp from leveling two characters at once, which can be a larger portion of your exp (if you're rested), but sometimes things are easier. I'm looking to level the Death Knight with the (Resto) Druid, but the only downside to this is... while leveling, I think I only had maybe one or two quests that I simply couldn't do by myself and that doesn't tailor as well when you compare it to my warrior who can't do that kind of stuff without my priest with him.

I do think the only way to hit 80 by Sunday is having an epic flying mount... without it, you will waste a lot of time. Also, smart people will avoid binding their hearth to Dalaran. When doing quick leveling, you always bind to the closest point. Also knowing to avoid certain daily quests is helpful too. Like the one bombing quest at Fort umm I think it's Wildevare in Howling Fjord. I'd avoid that like the plague. It takes forever just to go around and if you're not grouped but others are doing it, it could take at least two trips. There are some easy Kalu'ak dailies though. Like getting the supplies in Borean Tundra or getting the pups in Dragonblight. Heck, even helping the walrus things mate in Howling Fjord is easy (or is much easier as a Death Knight with Path of Frost ).

One thing I need to figure out is which account to put my Death Knight on. I think the best solution might be to put him on my Healer account, which sounds kind of weird, but reason being is that I could play my Death Knight and my Warrior at the same time (which sounds kind of worthless), but fact of the matter is, you need an engineering item for one of the quests in Borean Tundra... so I'd have to get 375 engineering (I'm 373) and then make the item. So I'd need to train Mining and Engineering, then go get the Cobalt necessary (which I know some good spots from doing this on beta). But, if my Death Knight is on my dps account, he'd be on the same account as my warrior so I'd have to interrupt the DK's time. But, if the DK is on my healer account, he can't play with my Druid (who is on my healer account). Although, if he's on that account, he can still play with my priest (who has his own account so he can enchant stuff easier). So maybe I'll have to switch it from Death Knight+Druid to Death Knight+Priest and Warrior+Druid.
 

Anubis

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OK so new wow thread for Wrath of the Lich King. The old thread bypassed 6000 posts, pretty epic and had a lot of great info in it and good discussion. Let?s continue that with this thread. I?m going to try and organize this one better then the last.

Id like to fill out the list of who here on AT plays, so if you could please PM me your chars and where they play (if you want it to be known) and ill add them to the list

The Old AT WoW thread


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This thread deserves a sticky, simply because of how great it is. -PC Gaming Moderator DAPUNISHER
 
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Anubis

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Server Name
AT Username
- Chars

Aggramar
Sentrosi2121 - Clan Draconus Lupus, Aliance
- Kytella - 70 - Healkin
- Fengh - name reserved for Death Knight

Alleria
Aikouka
- Darro - 70 Night Elf Rogue
- Darron - 70 Dwarf Priest
- Tieras - 70 Night Elf Warrior
- Cureli - 70 Gnome Mage
- Darrien - 70 Draenei Shaman
- Tiramen - 70 Night Elf Hunter
- Quirdan - 70 Gnome Warlock
- Darrox - 70 Human Paladin
- Turalon - 60 Night Elf Druid

Alkemyst <Shield of Azeroth>
- Alkemyst - L70 Night Elf Druid

blakeatwork - <Dreamers>
- Waylorn - Human Mage
- Wayniff - NE Priest

Nanobreath - Aliance
- Nanobreath - Warlock - 70
- Taell - Priest - 70
- Nanofly - Warrior - 70
- Filonid - Rogue - 68

Alexstrasza
Waggy
- Waggy 70 Warrior

Altar of Storms
CoinOperatedBoy
- Kliq - 73 Orc Warlock
- Petrovna - 72 Blood Elf Paladin

Andorhal
dfnkt <Minions of the Horde>
- Junek - 70 tauren shaman
- Farfanoogin - 65 BE Death Knight
- Ikthemius - 54 UD Mage

Antonidas
Theb
- Interlectual 70 Hunter (BM)
- Caffeinated 63 Priest (Holy)

Arathor
Tremulant
- Trem - 70 Hunter

Auchindoun
Foxery
- Foxery, tauren druid

Azshara
Invidia
- 70 Draenei Shaman - Flayz

Azuremyst
BassBomb
- Asimo - 70 - Orc - Rogue

Baelgun
TravisT
- Trvs - 70 Undead Warlock

Black Dragonflight
Rh71
- Ovechkin - Alliance - 70 Gnome Rogue - Crimson Ghost
- Owarly - Alliance - 70 Gnome Warlock - Crimson Ghost

Blackrock
Chimley
- Chimlee 70 Blood Elf Hunter

Blackwing Lair
Citrix
- SharpHorns - Horde - tauren - Hunter - none- lvl 15

Bloodhoof
mcvickj - Horde
- Fuzak - Tauren Druid - 70
- Lokal - Orc Warlock - 70
- Doctavius - Undead Priest - 70
- Borimiko - Orc Hunter - 36

Bonechewer
SilentZero
- Silentous (80 human holy pally)

Bronzebeard
loki8481
- Kyeld - Ali something
- Darde - Ali something

Lupi
- Orcus

dabuddha - Aliance
- Galene
- Gheebus
- Ghwerig

Burning Blade
AtmaVegeta
- Qianyi - 27 HU Rogue

Burning Legion
AtmaVegeta
- S&#245;phia - 13 NE Druid

Cairne
CalvinHobbes
- Sheridan - 70 - Draenei - Paladin
- Sdealth - 70 - Night Elf - Rogue

Cenarion Circle
ZanatosFox
- Horde: Zanatos
- Alliance: Skunkbeard, Hermie, Tuggas, Vannay

Cho'gal
Bushwicktrini
- Pandanfain 70 Lock
- Pandanette 71 RET pally

Crushridge
StepUp
- Healwithpot - 70 Undead Priest
- Colombiano - 70 Orc Warrior
- Rghteousness - 56 Undead Death Knigh

shrumpage
- Bettyhotep - undead lock

Denithor
- Drazzak - 73 - human warlock
- Shaowen - 43 - nelf hunter
- Lorrim - 25 - dwarf priest
- Denithor - 55 - nelf death knight

Dalaran
AntiFreze
- Thonatos (70) - Dalaran - Alliance - Rogue - Epic Crusaders
- Eielwyna (70) - Dalaran - Alliance - Night Elf - Epic Crusaders
- Matao (70) - Dalaran - Alliance - Human - (guildless)

Dark Iron
jmmyz14
- jymn (prot pally)
- jymm (enh shammy)

Demon Soul
VashHT
- Killswytch - 70 - Undead Rogue
- Mordec&#229;i - BE Death Knight - Lvl 60

Destromath
Hungfarover - Horde
- Gankwilliams 70 Rogue
- Madtree 70 Druid
- Shirebane 70 Mage
- Kristian 55 Death Knight

Duskwood
SilverBack
- Zharoc lvl 80 Death Knight
- Zharroc lvl 73 Mage

Durotan
Datt
- Datt - Aff Warlock

sao123 - Aliance
- IceGlacier 70 Mage
- Lunarstone 38 druid
- Wrathangel 17 Paladin

Draka
Tobolo
- Poa - 74 Troll Mage
- Kazhakar - 70 Undead Rogue
- Oba - 70 Undead Priest
- Tobolo - 66 Tauren Shaman
- Claybone - 56 Orc Death Knight

Earthen Ring
Beev - Horde

Elune
Rh71
- Rrawrr - Alliance - 70 NE Druid

Emerald Dream
ViviTheMage
- ooshie - 70 hunter
- gobbles - 70 shamen
- euphrasia - 70 druid

Eonar
Xavier434
- Xavieer - Alliance - Night Elf - Druid - Descent

AtmaVegeta
- Tingli - 62 DR Shaman

Fenris
pravi333
- Christan, Human, Paladin, 70
- Prudena, Human, Warlock, 70
- Helandelai, Draenai, Mage, 70
- Ellii, Draenai, Hunter, 70

Ghostlands
invidia
- 70 Human - Warlock - Fear

Livealittle95
- Gotthejack- lvl 55 - Blood Elf - Paladin - Protection
- Andar- lvl 35 - Mage - Undead - Fire
- Spanyard- lvl 60 - Death Knight - Undead - Frost

Gilneas
thescreensavers - Aliance
- Alldraman - Shaman
- Firetecnics - Mage
- Alldratank - Warrior
- Allnomlock - Warlock
- Alldraknight - Death knight

Greymane
Soccerman06 - <Crimson>
- Iccy - Gnome Warlock

Gul'dan
Brule - GM of <Everlong> Horde
- Frestile (70 lock)
- Fristele (70 druid)
- Friestele (70 mage)

Illidan
AtmaVegeta
- Naruchan - 70 BE Priest - Illidan
- C&#232;leste - 63 BE Paladin - Illidan
- Olinai - 27 BE Mage - Illidan
- Minghuili - 12 BE Warlock - Illidan

AyashiKaibutsu
- Munashiimaru 70 Orc Warlock
- Kamitoumaru 70 BE Paladin
- Matsubayashi 70 Tauren Druid

invidia
- 70 UD Rogue - Schizotypy
- 70 UD Warrior - Onslaught
- 61 BE Mage - Qubit

Kargath
CalvinHobbes
- Saidon - 70 - Blood Elf - Hunter

Dartworth
- Helixcore - 70 Blood Elf Rogue
- Victorlowes - 64 Blood Elf Warlock
- Melgan - 59 Undead Priest

Khaz Modan
ZxSlippy
- ZxRogue - 70 Undead Rogue

Kael'Thas
Riven
- Sans - 71 BE warlock
- Cargill - Horde - ??
- Bitstream - Horde - ??

Fingolfin269 - (Alliance - Redemption)
- Diggler 70 - Dwarf Rogue
- Wooglin 70 - Human Paladin
- Glamdring 70 - Gnome Warlock

Korgath
jhbball
- Xanadue, 70 warrior

Laughing Skull
AyashiKaibutsu
- Yasashiikaze 70 UD priest

Lightning's Blade
Aikouka
- Orrad - 70 Undead Rogue
- ??? - ?? Human Warlock (Shh, it's a secret!)

Lightning Hoof
Worthington
- Vayyde - NE Rogue 70
- Pillzy - DR - Shaman 60
- Laen - NE - Druid 60

Maiev
NaOH - Horde
- Nartikkan - Hunter
- HCl - Priest
- Euphani - Death Knight

Mannoroth
schmedy
- Algaron, Lvl 80 NE Rogue

Medihv
RedBMaster - Aliance
- Argentfury - 72 Holy Pally
- Geknow - 68-69 Blood D

Mal'Ganis
Chiropteran
- Kysta Blood Elf Paladin
- Kalyna Tauren Shaman
- Kurna Orc Hunter
- Karmyra Orc Warlock

I Saw OJ
- Onlywale 70 Human Warlock
- Rotinaj 70 Draenei Shaman
- Verwildert 70 Night Elf Druid
- Sheldorky 70 Gnome Warrior
- Drbeardface 70 Dwarf Paladin

Moonguard
Citrix
- Ladenn - Alliance, Night elf - ShadowPriest - Thors Hammer Lvl 70
- Dargercy - alliance- Human - Warlock - Thors Hammer - levl 25
- Malaken - Dwarf - Death Knight - Thors Hammer

Muradin
mmallern2000
- Jaralee 71 human lock
- Aralee 61 dk

Ner'Zhul
Anubis
- Melbufrahma - Horde - Orc - Warlock - <Spike Flail>
- Hexagon - horde - Orc - Warrior - <Spike Flail>
- Hallowed - Orc - Deathknight - <Spike Flail>

Glitchny (Anubis' Bro)
- Ferrgus - Tauren war
- vlorax - UD priest
- yawggmoth - UD DK

Jax Omen
- Hooftrellen - Horde - Tauren - Shaman - <Coup De Gr&#226;ce>
- Zuldan - Horde - Orc - Warlock - None

Rexxar
VashHT
- Faenor - 44 - BE Paladin
- LezardValeth - 43 - BE Warlock

Sargeras
NaOH - Aliance
- Tankorzz - Warrior

Scilla
AyashiKaibutsu
- Munashiimaru 70 NE warrior
- Yasashiikaze 70 Gnome Mage

Skullcrusher
Carmen813
- Padinn - Alliance - Dwarf -Paladin- - Vindictive

Lupi
- orcus

Spirestone
Beau
- Ibs - 70 Troll Rogue
- Thetans - Newb BF Warlock
- Mondain - 27 BF Mage

Stormscale
SSSnail
- Quachtinh - 70 NE Warrior
- Deathboo - 59 Draenai DK (Beta)

Stormreaver
AyashiKaibutsu
- 65 Gnome Warrior

bwatson283
-Texkonc (NE resto Druid)
-Stealthgank (NE Rogue)
-Thequest (Deathknight)

RESmonkey
-RESmonkey - Warlock

Terenas
Nanobreath - Horde
- Seril - Mage - 70

The Forgotten Coast
Rh71
- Biggnbeefy - Horde - 45 Cow Hunter - Future Perfect

Thrall
Glayde <Ascent> All characters horde
- Glayde 80 Tauren Shaman
- Oogga 80 Orc Hunter
- Suffeli 80 Blood Elf Paladin
- Kresge 80 Tauren Druid
- Triviacow 80 Tauren Druid
- Rdx 70 Troll Priest
- Moomins 70 Orc Shaman
- Descent 70 Orc Rogue
- Imax 65 Blood Elf Mage
- Dolby 65 Undead Warlock
- Diefenbaker Tauren 60 Warrior
- Java 60 Blood Elf Paladin

Thunderhorn
bdoople
- Bdoople - Level 70 Dreinei Shaman
- Bd&#246;&#246;ple - Level 70 Night Elf Druid
- Shedu - Level 70 Gnome Warlock

Tichondrius
chr6
- Chr - Aliance Warlock

Tortheldrin

Chimley - (Alliance - Dark Entropy)
- Chimley 70 NE Warrior (Main)
- Chimlock 70 Human Warlock
- Chimshock 65 Space Cow Shaman
- Chimlee 70 NE Rogue
- Chim 70 Gnome Mage
- Cyrilla 70 NE Druid

Velen
NeoV - Horde
- Pericles - 70 druid
- Tancred - 70 rogue
- Quintiz - 69 warlock
- aloth - 58 mage
- neogeo - 51 shadowpriest

Yersa
dNor
- Jellyroll - Gnome Death Knight
 
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Aikouka

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Damn, Anubis... you ruined my plot to get someone to say, "Aikouka... how big is this thread!?" "It's... it's over 9000!"
 

Jax Omen

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Why the hell was the old one locked?

I sorted your list by Realm name so we can find other ATers who play on the same realm as us >_>

Alleria
Aikouka
- Darro - 70 Night Elf Rogue
- Darron - 70 Dwarf Priest
- Tieras - 70 Night Elf Warrior
- Cureli - 70 Gnome Mage
- Darrien - 70 Draenei Shaman
- Tiramen - 70 Night Elf Hunter
- Quirdan - 70 Gnome Warlock
- Darrox - 70 Human Paladin
- Turalon - 60 Night Elf Druid

Azuremyst
BassBomb
- Asimo - 70 - Orc - Rogue

Blackrock
Chimley
- Chimlee 70 Blood Elf Hunter

Blackwing Lair
Citrix
- SharpHorns - Horde - tauren - Hunter - none- lvl 15

Burning Blade
AtmaVegeta
- Qianyi - 27 HU Rogue

Burning Legion
AtmaVegeta
- Sõphia - 13 NE Druid

Cairne
CalvinHobbes
- Sheridan - 70 - Draenei - Paladin
- Sdealth - 70 - Night Elf - Rogue

Dalaran
AntiFreze
- Thonatos - Alliance - Dwarf - Rogue - Nightwalkers

Demon Soul
VashHT
- Killswytch - 70 - Undead Rogue

Earthen Ring
Beev
- Sheeza - Horde - Undead - Warlock - Bloodhorde

Eonar
Xavier434
- Xavieer - Alliance - Night Elf - Druid - Descent

AtmaVegeta
- Tingli - 62 DR Shaman

Illidan
AtmaVegeta
- Naruchan - 70 BE Priest - Illidan
- Cèleste - 63 BE Paladin - Illidan
- Olinai - 27 BE Mage - Illidan
- Minghuili - 12 BE Warlock - Illidan

Kargath
CalvinHobbes
- Saidon - 70 - Blood Elf - Hunter

Lightning's Blade
Aikouka
- Orrad - 70 Undead Rogue
- ??? - ?? Human Warlock (Shh, it's a secret!)

Moonguard
Citrix
- Ladenn - Alliance, Night elf - ShadowPriest - Thors Hammer Lvl 70
- Dargercy - alliance- Human - Warlock - Thors Hammer - levl 25

Ner'Zhul
Anubis
- Melbufrahma - Horde - Orc - Warlock - Spike Flail
- Hexagon - horde - Orc - Warrior - None

Jax Omen
- Hooftrellen - Horde - Tauren - Shaman - Fake It
- Zuldan - Horde - Orc - Warlock - None

Rexxar
VashHT
- Faenor - 44 - BE Paladin
- LezardValeth - 43 - BE Warlock

Skullcrusher
Carmen813
- Padinn - Alliance - Dwarf -Paladin- - Vindictive

Chimley - (Alliance - Dark Entropy)
- Chimley 70 NE Warrior (Main)
- Chimlock 70 Human Warlock
- Chimshock 65 Space Cow Shaman
- Chimlee 70 NE Rogue
- Chim 70 Gnome Mage
- Cyrilla 70 NE Druid
 

Anubis

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the other thread got locked because i had it locked due to length and most of the discussion is going to be outdated in like 36 hours, many knew i was going to do that. + it was getting slow and yea.

 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: eddiebravo
what game mechanics can you abuse to speed up the leveling process??

they way they did it was have 1 person tag the mobs and then have like an entire raid of people DPS them down, so that the 1 dude got all the EXP for it. the person was a mage and just AOE tagged things and the raid zerged everything down

 

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Add me in:
Illidan:
70 UD Rogue - Schizotypy
70 UD Warrior - Onslaught
61 BE Mage - Qubit

Ghostlands
70 Hu Warlock - Fear

Azshara:
70 Draenei Shaman - Flayz
 

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Oh, since I hadn't given my character info:

Name: Trem
Class: Hunter (70)
Realm: Arathor PvE (A)

I still feel kinda dirty playing on the alliance.. since 3 months after launch I was on the horde, so this alliance stuff is still very new to me. Sometimes I see a human or dwarf and think "KILL KILL KILL" ...and then I realize we're on the same side. On the other hand, I was so sick of doing the horde starting zones. I really liked the BE zone, but I couldn't stand to play one.
 

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add me! also give me any extra gold you don't need...


Alexstrasza

waggy 70 warrior


and i gues sim not as much of a nerd as the rest of you. i only have one level 70 and my alts are under level 20 heh
 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: Jax Omen
Why the hell was the old one locked?

I sorted your list by Realm name so we can find other ATers who play on the same realm as us >_>

i edited this into my post thanks man
 

rh71

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I think sorting by realm is better for this thread's purposes, but that's just me. PM'd my info.

And what's up with all realms being down right now at 630pm ET?!

 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: rh71
I think sorting by realm is better for this thread's purposes, but that's just me. PM'd my info.

And what's up with all realms being down right now at 630pm ET?!

they messed up ingame mail or some crap with whatever they did today
 

rh71

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If I see that my local gamestop is open at midnight, can I just waltz in at 1210am and grab a regular copy unreserved? I don't care about all the festivities... I just want to start playing since I'm up till 2am everyday anyway.
 

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Glad to help. It does seem more useful by realm, although I know it's slightly more work for the one maintaining the list (in the cases of people with multiple realms for their characters)

Imma be bored in like 3 hours Anubis, wanna do a heroic with my resto shammy or something?
 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: Jax Omen
Glad to help. It does seem more useful by realm, although I know it's slightly more work for the one maintaining the list (in the cases of people with multiple realms for their characters)

Imma be bored in like 3 hours Anubis, wanna do a heroic with my resto shammy or something?

we are supposed to do our final Sunwell raid tonight. maybe we will actually get a Lenendary seeing as we have gotten ZERO in the past year +
 
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