AT World of Warcraft Thread (WotLK, where do you play, General BS and all that)

Page 138 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.
Status
Not open for further replies.

Anubis

No Lifer
Aug 31, 2001
78,716
417
126
tbqhwy.com
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Well now that it looks like we will have a different set of emblems for Ulduar 10/25 I guess I might as well convert my Valor to Heroism and stock up on BoA gear... unless anyone can think of something better to do with them? I don't really care about the 200 badge mount...

sell 60 valor bracers!

they go for 2K+ here

just spam trade
or make a forum post
 

Fingolfin269

Lifer
Feb 28, 2003
17,948
31
91
Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Well now that it looks like we will have a different set of emblems for Ulduar 10/25 I guess I might as well convert my Valor to Heroism and stock up on BoA gear... unless anyone can think of something better to do with them? I don't really care about the 200 badge mount...

sell 60 valor bracers!

they go for 2K+ here

just spam trade
or make a forum post

You'd think with as many times as I've looked at the vendors I would have noticed a BoE...... apparently not!
 

NaOH

Diamond Member
Mar 2, 2006
5,015
0
0
Woot..got the tier 7.5 chest piece for my hunter last night doing the 25 man VoA. Now I can get the 5% pet damage bonus and without downgrading all the other stats compared to my argent crusade chest piece.

Wait, so will all those emblems of heroism and valor be useless once ulduar comes out. I've gotten everything I can aside from pvp gear for my hunter. I guess I should continue decking out my priest if they're going to be useless?
 

Anubis

No Lifer
Aug 31, 2001
78,716
417
126
tbqhwy.com
for those locks here, Aff took a 600ish DPS loss according to Simcraft while felguard ruin (0/41/30) got a slight buff less then 50 DPS, however it comes out on top unless you use a doomguard as aff
Chaos bolt specs seem to remain unchanged, ill see if i can get this running with the 0/28/43 spec Winn tested earlier
 
Nov 30, 2006
15,456
389
121
Originally posted by: Anubis
for those locks here, Aff took a 600ish DPS loss according to Simcraft while felguard ruin (0/41/30) got a slight buff less then 50 DPS, however it comes out on top unless you use a doomguard as aff
Chaos bolt specs seem to remain unchanged, ill see if i can get this running with the 0/28/43 spec Winn tested earlier
I'm so crying....that's a hell of a lot of dps loss! Well I guess the good part is that we get a 4 second cooldown reduction for our Demonic Circle glyph. :roll:
 

RyanPaulShaffer

Diamond Member
Jul 13, 2005
3,434
1
0
The healer mana regen nerf makes absolutely no sense to me. Healers are already in short supply, so what does Blizzard do? NERF THEM! Is it so OP that healers don't go OOM 3 minutes into a fight? I mean really now.

This OOC regen nerf is also going to have negative effects on any caster, since it would appear that a 40% nerf to OOC regen will mean a lot more downtime/drinking.

It all seems so silly to me.
 

Xavier434

Lifer
Oct 14, 2002
10,377
1
0
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
The healer mana regen nerf makes absolutely no sense to me. Healers are already in short supply, so what does Blizzard do? NERF THEM! Is it so OP that healers don't go OOM 3 minutes into a fight? I mean really now.

This OOC regen nerf is also going to have negative effects on any caster, since it would appear that a 40% nerf to OOC regen will mean a lot more downtime/drinking.

It all seems so silly to me.

It needs to be nerfed. I have not run into anything even close to a mana issue even once since I started playing in Northrend. Now that I have much better gear it is completely absurd. Hell, most raids I don't even end up drinking more than 3 times total when I should be drinking after every boss fight and in between several pulls of trash. You are not going to see less healers as a result of this nerf. Even if you do, the answer to attracting more healers is not to remove one of the fundamental challenges of being a healer. Not having to worry at all about mana is not fun.

 

RyanPaulShaffer

Diamond Member
Jul 13, 2005
3,434
1
0
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
The healer mana regen nerf makes absolutely no sense to me. Healers are already in short supply, so what does Blizzard do? NERF THEM! Is it so OP that healers don't go OOM 3 minutes into a fight? I mean really now.

This OOC regen nerf is also going to have negative effects on any caster, since it would appear that a 40% nerf to OOC regen will mean a lot more downtime/drinking.

It all seems so silly to me.

It needs to be nerfed. I have not run into anything even close to a mana issue even once since I started playing in Northrend. Now that I have much better gear it is completely absurd. Hell, most raids I don't even end up drinking more than 3 times total when I should be drinking after every boss fight and in between several pulls of trash. You are not going to see less healers as a result of this nerf. Even if you do, the answer to attracting more healers is not to remove one of the fundamental challenges of being a healer. Not having to worry at all about mana is not fun.

The intention of the nerf is to make healing harder and to make content more challenging. However, finding a healer is hard enough now...finding a competent one is even harder. What this will do is make the borderline healers say, "Forget about it! I'm going back to my Hunter/Rogue/DK!". A borderline healer is better than no healer...

Some of us don't have great guilds and have to PUG heroics or raids. What is always the problem?

"LF HEALER THEN GOOD TO GO!"

15 minutes later...

"Good group just needs a healer then ready to go!"

This will make it only worse. I know what your response will be, too.

"Find a good guild."

Easier said than done. :-\
 

Glayde

Senior member
Sep 30, 2004
554
0
71
They're taking the 310% drake away as part of the reward with 3.1.

You still get the glory raider/heroic raider achievements, you just won't get the proto-drake.
 

rivan

Diamond Member
Jul 8, 2003
9,677
3
81
Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: Jax Omen
http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1...er-reward-changes.html

If you want a 310% mount from current content, better get your achievements fast.

COPY AND PASTE

When 3.1 goes live, the rewards for ?Glory of the Raider? and ?Heroic: Glory of the Raider? are being removed. These achievements will still be active, however, players will no longer receive the Plagued Proto-Drake or Black Proto-Drake for completing them. Similar to our decision to remove the Amani War Bear from Zul?Aman, the goal is to ensure that such mounts retain a degree of rarity in the game; and with raids progressing into Ulduar in patch 3.1, we feel obtaining the rewards for ?Glory of the Raider? and ?Heroic: Glory of the Raider? would be somewhat trivialized. For this reason we will be offering new fast mounts (310 speed) as rewards for completing select achievements associated with 10 and 25-player Ulduar.
 

RyanPaulShaffer

Diamond Member
Jul 13, 2005
3,434
1
0
Originally posted by: Glayde
They're taking the 310% drake away as part of the reward with 3.1.

You still get the glory raider/heroic raider achievements, you just won't get the proto-drake.

That stinks, but it is in-line with their policy with the ZA bear.
 

Xavier434

Lifer
Oct 14, 2002
10,377
1
0
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: Xavier434
It needs to be nerfed. I have not run into anything even close to a mana issue even once since I started playing in Northrend. Now that I have much better gear it is completely absurd. Hell, most raids I don't even end up drinking more than 3 times total when I should be drinking after every boss fight and in between several pulls of trash. You are not going to see less healers as a result of this nerf. Even if you do, the answer to attracting more healers is not to remove one of the fundamental challenges of being a healer. Not having to worry at all about mana is not fun.

The intention of the nerf is to make healing harder and to make content more challenging. However, finding a healer is hard enough now...finding a competent one is even harder. What this will do is make the borderline healers say, "Forget about it! I'm going back to my Hunter/Rogue/DK!". A borderline healer is better than no healer...

Some of us don't have great guilds and have to PUG heroics or raids. What is always the problem?

"LF HEALER THEN GOOD TO GO!"

15 minutes later...

"Good group just needs a healer then ready to go!"

This will make it only worse. I know what your response will be, too.

"Find a good guild."

Easier said than done. :-\


The problem with your viewpoint is that you are blending two problems together when they should be treated separately.

Problem 1: It is difficult to find a healer for a group/raid.

Problem 2: The power of OOC regen has trivialized the challenge healers face with mana regen so much that they are only one step away from a point where they might as well remove mana entirely for healers.


Both of these problems deserve to be solved, but we should not delay progress or quality when it comes to solving problem #2 just because there is some speculation about negative effects on problem #1. Instead, the true answer to solving the two problems is to provide two solutions. Whether or not those two solutions already exist is unknown. I am referring to dual-spec. Your problems with finding healers might be reduced a lot with the introduction of dual-spec. We'll see.
 

RyanPaulShaffer

Diamond Member
Jul 13, 2005
3,434
1
0
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: Xavier434
It needs to be nerfed. I have not run into anything even close to a mana issue even once since I started playing in Northrend. Now that I have much better gear it is completely absurd. Hell, most raids I don't even end up drinking more than 3 times total when I should be drinking after every boss fight and in between several pulls of trash. You are not going to see less healers as a result of this nerf. Even if you do, the answer to attracting more healers is not to remove one of the fundamental challenges of being a healer. Not having to worry at all about mana is not fun.

The intention of the nerf is to make healing harder and to make content more challenging. However, finding a healer is hard enough now...finding a competent one is even harder. What this will do is make the borderline healers say, "Forget about it! I'm going back to my Hunter/Rogue/DK!". A borderline healer is better than no healer...

Some of us don't have great guilds and have to PUG heroics or raids. What is always the problem?

"LF HEALER THEN GOOD TO GO!"

15 minutes later...

"Good group just needs a healer then ready to go!"

This will make it only worse. I know what your response will be, too.

"Find a good guild."

Easier said than done. :-\


The problem with your viewpoint is that you are blending two problems together when they should be treated separately.

Problem 1: It is difficult to find a healer for a group/raid.

Problem 2: The power of OOC regen has trivialized the challenge healers face with mana regen so much that they are only one step away from a point where they might as well remove mana entirely for healers.


Both of these problems deserve to be solved, but we should not delay progress or quality when it comes to solving problem #2 just because there is some speculation about negative effects on problem #1. Instead, the true answer to solving the two problems is to provide two solutions. Whether or not those two solutions already exist is unknown. I am referring to dual-spec. Your problems with finding healers might be reduced a lot with the introduction of dual-spec. We'll see.

I agree with what you're saying. You can't keep propping up bad healers with wonky mechanics. The problem is two-fold, like you said. Healing is already an annoying and thankless job, hence the lack of healers, but a good healer can coast on Easy Street because they know what they're doing.

I hope that dual-specs solves the problem, since a healer can spec DPS to solo/have fun and heal in a group, but I don't know. I just wonder if they will spec DPS/PVP, and the problem will still remain.

Finding a tank used to be a huge problem, but with the introduction of DKs and the Paladin population through the roof, that is no longer an issue. Now it's a healer shortage. Healers were scarce before the nerf...I wonder if more will go to alts/stop healing after the nerf?
 

pravi333

Senior member
May 25, 2005
577
0
0
Originally posted by: rivan

(I like to think) I'm a well-above average player, but I can't commit to raid schedules. I've got kids, and a job that I sometimes have to work evenings, etc. I mostly PUG. Sometimes that works out, sometimes not. Last night I dropped from a Sarth raid that took 45 minutes to get together and wiped twice. On the first trash pull. Well, actually the first THREE trash pulls, since we got them all at once. Twice.

My game experience is thoroughly different from yours.

Hard = finding 24 other random people that don't thoroughly suck shit. You want a challenge in WoW? Try that on for size

I agree with this poster 100%. I am on a 2 to 1 or 3 to 1 ally server & i am an ally. I have been in almost 4 guilds so far & i raid almost 4 days a week, yet i havent even entered into 25 man naxx.

My frustration is i spend the same amount of time like any other full time raiding guild, yet i am not able to see content. /sigh

With that said, anyone need a Holy paly? who will raid regularly and very much willing to see further content. i also have a arcane mage.
 

Anubis

No Lifer
Aug 31, 2001
78,716
417
126
tbqhwy.com
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: Glayde
They're taking the 310% drake away as part of the reward with 3.1.

You still get the glory raider/heroic raider achievements, you just won't get the proto-drake.

That stinks, but it is in-line with their policy with the ZA bear.

no its not, they didnt remove the ZA bear when sunwell came out
 

ModerateRepZero

Golden Member
Jan 12, 2006
1,573
5
81
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: waggy

well. its a good guild in the sense the people are fun to talk to and joke around with.


but after last night i really am thinking of joinin another guild. we set up a guild run on 25 man OS. i was MT and we needed a OT. we grab someone from LFG.

the OT did have better gear then i did. he mentioned tha the had more HP and gear so he should be MT. one fo the guild leaders told him that i was MT and he would be great as ot.

well on teh first pull he starts spamming taunts and doing his best to take aggro. i mentioned in Guild chat that we are going to have problems and he is trying to take aggro.

2nd pull he runs off and takes it. i mention to the guild leader what happened. he didnt say anything. then on first drake (we are not able to leave them up yet) he goes and pulls before ANYONE is ready. i continue to ask him to stop and try to get the GL to do anything about it. nope.

Finally in guild chat (on last drake after complaining) i say something like "i don't mind being offtank. But if given the MT job then i expect to do it and if i have someone trying to take the job from me i expect the guild (on a guild run) to back me up." that finally got one of the other members in raid to say something esle in /raid (i had but the GL/RL ignored it).

finally one of the other GL's said something. but it was a little late.

that started a argument in guild. come to find out the other tank was the GL's friend he has been trying to get in guild so didnt want to say anything to him.


People are too rigid in the terminology of a MT/OT. For the vast majority of fights, you have tanks, period, and roles should be assigned according to gear and class.

The first trash pull has 4 mobs. In the random event one tank dies, the other is supposed to pick them up anyway. Trash is trivial, it does not matter really who tanks what. Drakes are essentially trash too; if he grabs it, who cares? Sit tight, wait for the portal/whelps, and enjoy your 30 second breaks.

If he's doing it on Sartharion, that's perhaps another issue, because of the positioning requirements, but trash is trash.

You didn't mention your classes. If he's a warrior/paladin and you're a DK/druid, he did what he should be doing. Why? Because the latter classes have better dps in a tanking spec.

bolded for lack of reading comprehension. assuming what waggy says was true, this was not a tank outputting uber dps; this was a case of a tank supposedly the OT trying to main tank. spamming taunts as well as attacking the drake BEFORE the tank pulls are a red flag if you consider them together.

I'm sorry waggy; I think that you need to keep an eye on the GL and see how he behaves toward a friend. It's one thing to consider behavior because you 'know someone' but it's another to hold people to a standard and then excuse/ignore someone else's behavior just because you're buddy buddy. If the "OT" ends up joining and the GL can't put a leash on any bad behavior, whether it be ninja looting, trying to main-tank when that's not his role, etc. you're probably better off leaving the guild =



 

winnar111

Banned
Mar 10, 2008
2,847
0
0
Originally posted by: ModerateRepZero
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: waggy

well. its a good guild in the sense the people are fun to talk to and joke around with.


but after last night i really am thinking of joinin another guild. we set up a guild run on 25 man OS. i was MT and we needed a OT. we grab someone from LFG.

the OT did have better gear then i did. he mentioned tha the had more HP and gear so he should be MT. one fo the guild leaders told him that i was MT and he would be great as ot.

well on teh first pull he starts spamming taunts and doing his best to take aggro. i mentioned in Guild chat that we are going to have problems and he is trying to take aggro.

2nd pull he runs off and takes it. i mention to the guild leader what happened. he didnt say anything. then on first drake (we are not able to leave them up yet) he goes and pulls before ANYONE is ready. i continue to ask him to stop and try to get the GL to do anything about it. nope.

Finally in guild chat (on last drake after complaining) i say something like "i don't mind being offtank. But if given the MT job then i expect to do it and if i have someone trying to take the job from me i expect the guild (on a guild run) to back me up." that finally got one of the other members in raid to say something esle in /raid (i had but the GL/RL ignored it).

finally one of the other GL's said something. but it was a little late.

that started a argument in guild. come to find out the other tank was the GL's friend he has been trying to get in guild so didnt want to say anything to him.


People are too rigid in the terminology of a MT/OT. For the vast majority of fights, you have tanks, period, and roles should be assigned according to gear and class.

The first trash pull has 4 mobs. In the random event one tank dies, the other is supposed to pick them up anyway. Trash is trivial, it does not matter really who tanks what. Drakes are essentially trash too; if he grabs it, who cares? Sit tight, wait for the portal/whelps, and enjoy your 30 second breaks.

If he's doing it on Sartharion, that's perhaps another issue, because of the positioning requirements, but trash is trash.

You didn't mention your classes. If he's a warrior/paladin and you're a DK/druid, he did what he should be doing. Why? Because the latter classes have better dps in a tanking spec.

bolded for lack of reading comprehension. assuming what waggy says was true, this was not a tank outputting uber dps; this was a case of a tank supposedly the OT trying to main tank. spamming taunts as well as attacking the drake BEFORE the tank pulls are a red flag if you consider them together.

I'm sorry waggy; I think that you need to keep an eye on the GL and see how he behaves toward a friend. It's one thing to consider behavior because you 'know someone' but it's another to hold people to a standard and then excuse/ignore someone else's behavior just because you're buddy buddy. If the "OT" ends up joining and the GL can't put a leash on any bad behavior, whether it be ninja looting, trying to main-tank when that's not his role, etc. you're probably better off leaving the guild =


I read his post, quite clearly. If you're getting angry about someone taking 'your' job on trash, I suggest you're sweating small stuff much more than is needed.

A drake, on its own, is a trash mob. It is trivial for 25 people. It is trivial for 15 people. It is trivial for 15 people with half mana. Why do you bring a 2nd tank to Sartharion at all? To tank trash. That's what he did.

This guy might or might not be a bad player, but theres nothing here to indicate that he is.
 

lupi

Lifer
Apr 8, 2001
32,539
260
126
Lol, now that I've checked the actual requirements it's even more wetawded.

To have these all done not only are you in a fairly hardcore guild, but you also had good lucky, with loot drops to equip your people and to finish some of the more tricky requirements.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
sale-70-410-exam    | Exam-200-125-pdf    | we-sale-70-410-exam    | hot-sale-70-410-exam    | Latest-exam-700-603-Dumps    | Dumps-98-363-exams-date    | Certs-200-125-date    | Dumps-300-075-exams-date    | hot-sale-book-C8010-726-book    | Hot-Sale-200-310-Exam    | Exam-Description-200-310-dumps?    | hot-sale-book-200-125-book    | Latest-Updated-300-209-Exam    | Dumps-210-260-exams-date    | Download-200-125-Exam-PDF    | Exam-Description-300-101-dumps    | Certs-300-101-date    | Hot-Sale-300-075-Exam    | Latest-exam-200-125-Dumps    | Exam-Description-200-125-dumps    | Latest-Updated-300-075-Exam    | hot-sale-book-210-260-book    | Dumps-200-901-exams-date    | Certs-200-901-date    | Latest-exam-1Z0-062-Dumps    | Hot-Sale-1Z0-062-Exam    | Certs-CSSLP-date    | 100%-Pass-70-383-Exams    | Latest-JN0-360-real-exam-questions    | 100%-Pass-4A0-100-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-300-135-exams-date    | Passed-200-105-Tech-Exams    | Latest-Updated-200-310-Exam    | Download-300-070-Exam-PDF    | Hot-Sale-JN0-360-Exam    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Exams    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-JN0-360-exams-date    | Exam-Description-1Z0-876-dumps    | Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps    | Dumps-HPE0-Y53-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-HPE0-Y53-Exam    | 100%-Pass-HPE0-Y53-Real-Exam-Questions    | Pass-4A0-100-Exam    | Latest-4A0-100-Questions    | Dumps-98-365-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-98-365-Exam    | 100%-Pass-VCS-254-Exams    | 2017-Latest-VCS-273-Exam    | Dumps-200-355-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-300-320-Exam    | Pass-300-101-Exam    | 100%-Pass-300-115-Exams    |
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    | http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    |