AT World of Warcraft Thread (WotLK, where do you play, General BS and all that)

[rh71]

whoa whoa whoa.. did they buff hunters or something? 3 of the 4 top dps are hunters now... out of nowhere.

 

[Aikouka]

whoa whoa whoa.. did they buff hunters or something? 3 of the 4 top dps are hunters now... out of nowhere.

Not in my raid . EZMode 2-button rogues are still topping the meters. Bastards wouldn't tricks me on Festergut either! :thumbsdown:

 

[smackababy]

Yeah, in like patch 2.0?

Funny thing is I think most hunters aren't as good as they should be. I mean, I keep up with hunters way out gearing me.

 

[Anubis]

Hunters have been a top DPS class since late in Ulduar

 

[rh71]

ok I fail... because I pvp with a raid spec (leave combat for randoms) I had moved my evis in place of my envenom so all the way thru 50% saurfang i had been eviscerating... all aboard my failboat.

 

[Anubis]

heroic sind can go fuck herself,
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[Jax Omen]

Lol didn't enjoy siccing your felguard on the boss and /afking, Anubis?


So I'm up to 1237 haste in my resto set, it is GROSS... in a good way

Also I feel your pain Aikouka, never seen a Black Bruise or Keleseth's Seducer and we've been killing both bosses since week 1.

Wind in Anubis' guild has heroic seducer... I envy him so much.



I get by with my axe and mace from 10m ICC, doing 9k-ish (give or take 500 depending on how well I'm playing that night, lol) and being in the top 5 dps in my guild. Kinda makes me sad that I CAN be in the top 5 doing only 9k, but oh well.

BQL eluded us again tonight. Our other enhance topped out at 7k and our third tank's dps set only had him doing 6k, our best was a 3% wipe. We decided after the raid that we're sitting the enhance in the future and he raged out and gquit. Oh well.

 

[Anubis]

no it sucks balls, however Jhuuroon nearly out DPSed me which is somewhat comical

Wind has bruise as well, i guess he held off using it till he had the offhand.
Heroic DFO 2 weeks in a row is always nice.

:/ @ someone raged quit over being sat for a fight, we moe people in and out on a fight to fight basis pretty much

 

[Jax Omen]

Not for a fight, in general until he could fix whatever he's doing wrong, 7k dps in ICC, with a pair of 251 weapons, 4p T10, and the trinket from Frost, is not acceptable.

The guy refused to get any hit above spell softcap (meaning he was badly crit-capping himself) and got angry when called out for stupid mistakes like standing in melee with Pact of the Darkfallen, always blaming "lag". So we sat him and he ragequit the guild.




Oh, my GM got Nibelung for his mage today, he was fire because our guild has a dire lack of warlocks and we need a 5% crit debuff... and Nibelung was proccing left and right on EVERY fight. Even on BQL the valkyries were worth at least 1k dps on every attempt.

We did a 10 man noth afterwards with some alts and friend ranks, his Valkyries did as much dps as the enhancement shaman's wolves did.

I don't know what they changed but Nibelung is proccing like crazy for fire.

 

[Anubis]

Me thinks they messed up ICDs on proc weps again, our ret paly is getting 4 procs from Heroic Bryntroll on 1 divine storm

 

[Soccerman06]

Anubis want a tip for sindragosa?

 

[Anubis]

sure

 

[Soccerman06]

Stack casters, and blow cds when you enter p3, the hardest part is the first 30s of p3.

and do p3 positioning like this:

 

[Anubis]

thats pretty much how we do it on 25 man, cept the 20 yards between the beacons and casters. I'm assuming thats to negate the blast from the debuff on heroic? DO you have the people with it simply not cast or do you let them cast and then have them range the explosion?

my QQ from above was about 10 man as the single DPS caster getting hit with the instability 100% of the time. its god damn annoying

 

[lupi]

More PTR 3.3.3 Classes changes announced "soon"
Quote from: Blizzard (Source)
Death knights, druids, hunters, mages, rogues, warlocks, warriors, oh my! For those participating in our public testing of the upcoming minor content patch 3.3.3, look out this week for a host of fascinating new adjustments to these classes. Chains of Ice innately does what? Nature's Grasp has how many charges? Vitalit...y boosts stamina by how much? Stay tuned to find out the answer to these and more questions!

Blue posts
Quote from Blizzard staff
3.3.3 World Event Bosses and Dungeon Finder
Just to clarify some misconceptions about this new functionality, the summoning of holiday bosses is going away. Players can queue for these bosses via the Dungeon Finder or special holiday NPCs found in the world. Once the party is finalized, the group will be ported directly to the area where the holiday boss resides. Players can kill the holiday bosses as often as they want for standard loot (epic rings, trinkets, etc.), however, they will only drop one holiday-themed loot trove per player per day. These loot troves will have a chance of containing rare holiday items such as The Horseman's Reins.

Why? I have nothing more to add except to ask the question because there has to be some good reason for this. Otherwise it should just be dropped because it's unnecessary...

The way players were grandfathering in alt characters, scamming others by not having a summon available, and continually soft-resetting dungeons -- creating a major load on instance capacity -- was never intended.The change has some positive and some negative consequences, however, we feel it's the best way to make this a better system and more in-line with our original plans for World Event bosses. (Source)

Cataclysm Item Changes
We're working on a large forum post to go step by step with how some of the existing gear will be changing.
Overall, we want everyone's damage, healing and tanking to stay about the same, but given that talent trees are changing at the same time as gear, it's going to take some adjustment. (Source)

Separating the new Plushies from the In-Game Pets (They are now available on the Blizzard Store by the way)There are no plans to separate the two at this time. It's funny because there were a number of complaints when the first two pets came out that felt it would make more sense if it came with something tangible.As far as the quality of the physical pets, they are very well made and our previous ones (like the Lurky) got a lot of good reviews from people I talked to so they will be along those lines as well. (Source)

Warlock (Forums / Talent Calculator)
Intent of Immolate change
The intent of the Immolate buff was to buff Destro. This is one of those situations where you can't just say that Immolate is used by Demo so it buffs Demo too. It does. But it buffs Destro a lot more because Destro gets so much more benefit from Fire spells.If you think this is not the case, please provide us some evidence using math, simulations, target dummy parses or whatever. (Source)

 

[Soccerman06]

thats pretty much how we do it on 25 man, cept the 20 yards between the beacons and casters. I'm assuming thats to negate the blast from the debuff on heroic? DO you have the people with it simply not cast or do you let them cast and then have them range the explosion?

my QQ from above was about 10 man as the single DPS caster getting hit with the instability 100% of the time. its god damn annoying

you stand still and do nothing the entire time.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Did patch 3.3.3 go live yesterday or is it still on the PTR?

 

[smackababy]

It still on PTR. It was 3.3.2 last night the few hours I was able to stand playing. I love how Tuesday brings WoW to a hault...

 

[rivan]

Is there a BIS discussion for locks going on somewhere? T10 versus other gear?

 

[Glitchny]

New patch notes up on MMOChamp.

Frost DKs are now getting a stacking 20% haste buff. (40% haste with windfury or Improved Icy Talons up). If that makes it live it will be awesome.

 

[lupi]

Update - Added official notes update at the bottom of the post. Some of these changes aren't on PTR yet as far as I know and aren't included in the spell comparison below. Make sure you check both.

Patch 3.3.3 - PTR Build 11599
A new PTR build has been deployed on test realms. Stay tuned for changes!

Quote from Blizzard staffMisc

•Gnomeregan Pride - Transform into Gnomeregan Infantry.
•Darkspear Pride - Transform into a Darkspear Warrior.

Achievements

•Zalazane's Fall - You assisted Vol'jin in the final defeat of Zalazane, recapturing the Echo Isles for the Darkspear trolls.

Tracking Stats (These stats will most likely be used internally to identify "bad" players)

•Kicked in LFG (follower) (hidden) - Number of times the player kicked someone in LFG, voting, but not initiating
•Kicked in LFG (target) (hidden) - Number of times the player has been kicked by someone in LFG
•Kicked in LFG (initiator) (hidden) - Number of times the player kicked someone in LFG, initiating the kick
•Abandoned LFG (hidden) - Number of times the player abandoned an LFG dungeon
•Completed LFG (hidden) - Number of times the player completed an LFG dungeon

Companion Pets

•Celestial Dragon - Summons or dismisses a Celestial Dragon. (Screenshot)

Mounts

•Celestial Steed - Summons and dismisses a Celestial Steed. This mount changes depending on your Riding skill and location. (Note: I don't think the model is in the patch file yet)
•Frosty Flying Carpet - Summons and dismisses a Frosty Flying Carpet. This is a very fast rug. Can only be used in Outland and Northrend. Requires 425 skill in tailoring to ride.

Interface

•CHAR_LOGIN_LOCKED_BY_MOBILE_AH = "You cannot log in while using the mobile or web auction house.";

Jewelcrafting

•Icy Prism now requires Frozen Orb, Chalcedony x 1 (Down from 3), Shadow Crystal x 1 (Down from 3), Dark Jade x 1 (Down from 3)
•Intricate Bone Figurine (Daily Quest) - Craft an Intricate Bone Figurine by combining the Proto Dragon Bone with a Sun Crystal and a Dark Jade. (Old - Chalcedony + Dark Jade)

Death Knight (Forums / Talent Calculator)
Frost

•Chains of Ice now infects the target with Frost Fever.
Unholy

•Unholy Blight now prevents any diseases on the victim from being dispelled.
Glyphs

•Glyph of Chains of Ice - Your Chains of Ice also causes 144 to 156 Frost damage, increased by your attack power.

Druid (Forums / Talent Calculator)
Balance

•Typhoon mana cost has been reduced from 32% of base mana to 25% of base mana.
•Starfall damage has been increased. Now causes 563 to 653 Arcane damage (Up from 433 to 503) and 101 Arcane damage (Up from 78) to all other enemies within 5 yards.

Mage (Forums / Talent Calculator)
Fire

•Combustion cooldown has been reduced from 3 min to 2 min.
•Burning Soul now reduces the threat caused by Fire spells by 10/20%. (Up from 5/10%)

Rogue (Forums / Talent Calculator)
Subtlety

•Slaughter from the Shadows now also increases all damage done by 1/2/3/4/5%.
•Filthy Tricks now reduces the cooldown by 5/10 sec and energy cost by 5/10 of your Tricks of the Trade, Distract and Shadowstep abilities and reduces the cooldown of Preparation by 3 min. /
•Waylay now affects your Ambush and Backstab hits (Old - Only Ambush critical hits). Movement speed bonus reduced from 70% to 50%.
•Hemorrhage now deals 160% of weapon damage if a dagger is equipped.
•Ghostly Strike now deals 180% of weapon damage if a dagger is equipped.
Tier 8

•Item - Rogue T8 4P Bonus - Increases the damage done by your Rupture by 20%. (Old - The damage dealt by your Rupture can now be critical strikes.)

Shaman (Forums / Talent Calculator)
Glyphs

•Glyph of Flame Shock - Increases the critical strike damage bonus of your Flame Shock periodic damage by 60%.

Warlock (Forums / Talent Calculator)
Demonology

•Demonic Pact's effect now has a 20 sec cooldown.

Official Notes Update
The official patch notes have been updated with more changes. Only the new changes are listed below.

Quote from: Zarhym (Source)Dungeons & Raids
Holiday bosses (such as Ahune for the Fire Festival) will now be accessible through the Dungeon Finder.

•Players must use the Dungeon Finder or speak to special holiday NPCs in the world to queue up and access these bosses.
•Upon accepting a queue for any holiday boss, the party will be ported directly to the necessary area for confronting that boss.
•The previous summoning criteria for these bosses have been removed. Players can queue up for and fight each World Event boss as many times as they want for any standard loot that they may drop.
•All rare holiday items (such as The Horseman's Reins) will have a chance of being found in holiday-themed loot troves which will drop once for each player in the party no more than once per day, in the same manner that doing the Random Dungeon daily quest will provide a specific reward the first time it is completed in a day.

Companion Pets

•The Pet Bombling and Lil' Smoky non-combat pets are no longer Bind-on-Pickup.

Death Knight (Forums / Talent Calculator)

•Chains of Ice: The ability now innately applies Frost Fever to a target.
Frost

•Icy Talons: The personal haste benefit provided by this talent is no longer exclusive with other sources of melee haste. This will allow death knights to always swing 4/6/12/16/20% faster when Frost Fever is applied. Windfury Totem and the party/raid component of Improved Icy Talons still do not stack.
Unholy

•Unholy Blight: In addition to its previous effects, this talent now also prevents diseases from being dispelled from victims afflicted by Unholy Blight.

Druid (Forums / Talent Calculator)

•Nature's Grasp: Now has 3 charges, up from 1.
Balance

•Starfall: Te damage done by this spell has been significantly increased.
•Typhoon: Mana cost reduced to 25%, down from 32%.

Hunter (Forums / Talent Calculator)
Beast Mastery

•Ferocious Inspiration: This ability is now an aura and provides 1/2/3% damage to all party or raid members within 100 yards and boosts the damage of Steady Shot by 3/6/9%.

Rogue (Forums / Talent Calculator)
Subtlety

•Slaughter from the Shadows: Now adds 1/2/3/4/5% damage to all attacks and reduces the energy cost of Backstab and Ambush by 4/8/12/16/20, up from 3/6/9/12/15.
•Waylay: The debuff from this talent can now be caused by Backstab in addition to Ambush and can be triggered by all hits from these abilities rather than just critical strikes, but the snare component is now 50%, down from 70%.

Warlock (Forums / Talent Calculator)

•Life Tap: This spell no longer scales with spirit, and instead scales with spell power.

Warrior (Forums / Talent Calculator)
Protection

•Vitality: Now boosts Stamina by 3/6/9%, up from 2/4/6%. Strength and expertise benefits have not changed.

 

[Anubis]

Stack casters, and blow cds when you enter p3, the hardest part is the first 30s of p3.

and do p3 positioning like this:

what am i missing about the P2-P3 transition that makes you want to blow all CDs and also makes it the hardest part

 

[nageov3t]

sometimes I hate my fucking guild... top dps every single night in 25-mans and yet, my ass has been out in the cold when it's come to every guild 10-man run since Ulduar.

I think me and the non-raiders are the only ones in my guild without the ulduar drake and starcaller (I've never even killed yogg-10 on easy mode).

not sure what the trick is; ever since my sister quit the game, I've been like permanently relegated to the B team. not that I even need 10-man loot, but getting treated like a bitch is kinda pushing me closer and closer to game quitting.

 

[Aikouka]

Not for a fight, in general until he could fix whatever he's doing wrong, 7k dps in ICC, with a pair of 251 weapons, 4p T10, and the trinket from Frost, is not acceptable.

The guy refused to get any hit above spell softcap (meaning he was badly crit-capping himself) and got angry when called out for stupid mistakes like standing in melee with Pact of the Darkfallen, always blaming "lag". So we sat him and he ragequit the guild.

I assume you're talking about a Shaman? It sounds like he's around the same gear level as me... I do 8.5-9.5k depending on the fight, and it's really not that hard to hit that DPS level with the gear... albeit Engineering has helped a bit .

So I'm up to 1237 haste in my resto set, it is GROSS... in a good way

I'm only around 1k right now... it's just so hard to get off-spec pieces when so many people need the junk. I was hoping I might get an off-spec healing ring today in ICC10 (I had to heal it), but nope . Oh and Council is kinda fun to heal... it was me and a Druid as the two healers and things weren't too hot until I was like "yo... you get over there, I'll be over here... focus on the lock if he's over there, I'll see what I can do." Things still got kinda fucked up at points... I think the empowered orb kinda gibbed a person or two since it wasn't losing enough energy. I had a few people run right by me during Empowered Shock Vortex too... that was annoying ~_~.

Also I feel your pain Aikouka, never seen a Black Bruise or Keleseth's Seducer and we've been killing both bosses since week 1.

Wind in Anubis' guild has heroic seducer... I envy him so much.

They need to open a spot up for an Enhancement Shaman so I can go Horde and get better racials... or at least all racials that affect my DPS.

BQL eluded us again tonight. Our other enhance topped out at 7k and our third tank's dps set only had him doing 6k, our best was a 3% wipe. We decided after the raid that we're sitting the enhance in the future and he raged out and gquit. Oh well.

7k with the blood queen buff?

 

[Soccerman06]

what am i missing about the P2-P3 transition that makes you want to blow all CDs and also makes it the hardest part

The first 30s in p3 is what is hard, once you get passed that, its a simple rinse/repeat...

oh and heroic putricide dead