AT World of Warcraft Thread (WotLK, where do you play, General BS and all that)

[blurredvision]

There was also a mention that they wanted epic to feel epic again, but we'll have to wait and see what that actually means.

IMO, that's just appeasing the hardcore. All that's going to happen is they will turn items that would've been purple in WotLK into blue items, but all the stats will still be the same. When you really think about it, the color of the text of the items means absolutely nothing, especially with the iLevel designation. Hell, even gearscore now negates any meaning of having "purples".

 

[jamesbond007]

Looks like NDA is lifted. Some of the new epics at 85 look pretty insane.
http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/55066/elementium-poleaxe/

Wow that's pretty sick! Do you think Blizzard will ever say, "Yeah, tanks with 100,000 HP is enough...let's stop boosting stats around there" or will they just keep on inflating? I play on Mal'Ganis, a PVP server, so I can only imagine how much more ganking will go on by the horde!

http://www.warcraftrealms.com/censu...id=-1&minlevel=10&maxlevel=80&servertypeid=-1

 

[Juddog]

Wow that's pretty sick! Do you think Blizzard will ever say, "Yeah, tanks with 100,000 HP is enough...let's stop boosting stats around there" or will they just keep on inflating? I play on Mal'Ganis, a PVP server, so I can only imagine how much more ganking will go on by the horde!

http://www.warcraftrealms.com/censu...id=-1&minlevel=10&maxlevel=80&servertypeid=-1

It's all relative to content and other classes. The tank in my last guild had 55k hp buffed, and I've seen druid tanks hit over 100k already with the ICC buff. One thing is for certain is that there will be a lot more stamina on the new items, and that characters will have a lot more hp in cataclysm because Blizzard has stated that they wanted classes to have equal hp given the same amount of stamina.

So the answer is yes, you will definitely see people with over 100k hp, and you may even see classes like Rogues with over 100k hp.

There is only a 5 level gain, but that 5 level gain will have gear expansion that's the equivalent of ten levels, so it will be a very big gain.

 

[Juddog]

IMO, that's just appeasing the hardcore. All that's going to happen is they will turn items that would've been purple in WotLK into blue items, but all the stats will still be the same. When you really think about it, the color of the text of the items means absolutely nothing, especially with the iLevel designation. Hell, even gearscore now negates any meaning of having "purples".

The rampant amount of epics out there is a means to appease the casual gamers, so I don't doubt that will remain in Cataclysm as the majority of gamers are casuals.

 

[lupi]

There was a time in the not so distance past where having epics, not to mention a full epic outfit, was pretty damn cool.

 

[smackababy]

There was a time in the not so distance past where having epics, not to mention a full epic outfit, was pretty damn cool.

There was also a time when 95% of the population didn't get full epic items. I like the idea of give everyone purples and keep the legendary for people good enough to do a quest line type of thing. Val'ynar and Shadowmourne did this pretty well.

 

[blurredvision]

There was also a time when 95% of the population didn't get full epic items. I like the idea of give everyone purples and keep the legendary for people good enough to do a quest line type of thing. Val'ynar and Shadowmourne did this pretty well.

I like the idea of the legendary weapons, too, but they need to make a few more that are obtainable. With Shadowmourne, only 3 classes could even wield the damn thing. I think they should also increase the ability for players to obtain them, maybe letting the top 1% of the population have access to them instead of the insane requirements that only allow maybe 3 lucky people on the server obtain them.

 

[lupi]

In the original revision, it wasn't difficult to get dressed in purple. The only difficulty was getting the 40 peeps together. Now if you were incompetent enough to not work in the 40 man environment, I'm willing to say you are so below the threshold for content that they should ignore you as far as content development went.

As this original version started to age, they began tinkering with the system and started introducing the problems they are to this day trying to correct. The BGs started coming out and before while most that didn't care if they weren't in purp did when they got steamrolled. And those that were willing to go through the effort were also shown the bad end of the spectrum with AQ and Naxx.

So you go from a point where everyone could get everything if they put in a modest effort, and most still chose not to, to where the purps have been divided into good purps and mediocre purps with the later being handed out like candy and the former in many cases as enjoyable to get as AQ/Nax40.

 

[Aikouka]

The whole premise of that post where a blue talked about making "epics epic'r" was completely inane. The person was complaining that since there are more epics than superior items that they suddenly become less epic. Simply looking at the sheer number of items you end up with just from ICC and you'll see why there are more WotLK epics than superior items.

 

[lupi]

Since we're only raising the level cap to 85 in Cataclysm, one of the goals is to pack as much content and gameplay as possible into the new 78-85 zones and dungeons. We don't want the leveling experience from 80-85 to feel as if it's only half of the content we've provided in the last two expansions. So, with that comes more substantial scaling of items and character power with each level gained. A level-82 character should feel significantly more powerful than a level-80 character, for example. There are some epic and legendary items from Wrath of the Lich King raid content which may take a while to replace, but chances are most of your gear will be replaced by the time you start running level-85 normal 5-player dungeons.

 

[Azraele]

Are ground mounts going to be pretty much obsolete in cata? I have been farming ZG for the tiger, and it finally dropped last night. I'd hate for it to be obsolete in a few months.

 

[Moonzi]

I'd assume they'd still be used in cities, maybe, like current Dal. Not sure though haven't read up on it.

 

[blurredvision]

Do you ever use your ground mount in Northrend or Outland? That answer is most likely "Only in Dalaran." Just because everyone else is flying around doesn't mean you can't use your tiger, though.

 

[Azraele]

I saw a video of a fly through of org, so presumably, cities will allow flying, which is why I was wondering about ground mounts.

And yes, I only use ground mounts in Dal, but at least they still have a use there, albeit a small one, lol. And I could use my tiger even if everyone else is flying, but as many ground mounts as I have collected, it would be a waste for them to become obsolete.

 

[smackababy]

I use my ground mount in BGs all the time. Sadly, that is about it.

 

[Russwinters]

My guess is that they will do something similar to WOTLK, where in order to fly in the "new" lands you will need some sort of special flying, that you wont be able to get until like level 84 or something; to make sure that people explore the new world.

I could be wrong of course, but thats what they did with wrath. (level 77 you could fly)

 

[smackababy]

They only did that to not gimp those without epic flying to get the world first level 80 titles. Same reason they nerfed the instant cast flying brooms (which was amazing btw). I just wish they would make some special mount be instant cast. Even a ground mount. I would do whatever it takes to get one.

 

[Worthington]

Ganking with that broom was awesome. I miss it.

 

[magomago]

so finallly after running all the basic heroics down and back forever, the later instances opened up. I also got to finally run my first 10 man (clockwerk) and did another (some hall with a guy that does frost and another guy that is fire in WG). The type of gear I got improved quite a bit, especially since I also started to use those badges I earned lol. Now hopefully I won't get passed over as easily when I try to join pugs if I can at least break 4.4k GS (I was at like 3.1k GS). If heard if you have all purps, you pretty much meet that requirement anyways.

 

[Schfifty Five]

so finallly after running all the basic heroics down and back forever, the later instances opened up. I also got to finally run my first 10 man (clockwerk) and did another (some hall with a guy that does frost and another guy that is fire in WG). The type of gear I got improved quite a bit, especially since I also started to use those badges I earned lol. Now hopefully I won't get passed over as easily when I try to join pugs if I can at least break 4.4k GS (I was at like 3.1k GS). If heard if you have all purps, you pretty much meet that requirement anyways.

It's not so much about the color of the item, but the item level.

You can be in all ilevel 200 purple gear pretty easily, but that won't cut it for raids past toc10.

 

[smackababy]

You're better off farming badges in heroics and buying the t9 gear from outside ToC. Grab a couple of the offsets from the other vendor and you should be good. That will put you around 5k or so and you can get into some 10mans.


Also, the ICC 5mans give much better gear than most 10m raids. So, farm those regular and heroic until you get geared out enough to do ToC25 and ICC10.

 

[Aikouka]

Sigh... trying to get the cloaks and I lose the fucking tanking cloak (while tanking) to a damn healer and then some fucking fail knight. The biggest slap in the face comes from Blizzard who can't even give the realms affected by the 24-hour maintenance an extra day to compensate. But I guess that'd just be too much trouble :\.

 

[DangerAardvark]

The new votekick is atrocious. DPS are just going AFK and the timer to kick them is longer than the actual fucking dungeon.

 

[Schfifty Five]

Sigh... trying to get the cloaks and I lose the fucking tanking cloak (while tanking) to a damn healer and then some fucking fail knight. The biggest slap in the face comes from Blizzard who can't even give the realms affected by the 24-hour maintenance an extra day to compensate. But I guess that'd just be too much trouble :\.

It's just a ilvl 232 cloak though. It would be replaced fairly quickly. Why don't you go for the badge back piece instead?

 

[Schfifty Five]

The new votekick is atrocious. DPS are just going AFK and the timer to kick them is longer than the actual fucking dungeon.

/agree

And not just DPS, healers too sometimes. I normally don't complain about LFD since I only run it for badges and couldn't care less about the loot in there, but sometimes it's annoying when one person is AFK the moment he zones in. I try to votekick but I get a stupid message saying "can't votekick for another 30 minutes" I mean, WTF is up with that?

I honestly do not understand how this votekick system works. I thought blizz said it was going to make changes to it so that people who don't normally kick others will have the ability to more or less "instant" kick someone.