ATF reclassification of M885 (AR15 ammo situation) a "publishing error"

[RampantAndroid]

Please. FMJ ammo is readily available in 5.45x39 which means negligible lead fouling & never touching any lead when using it.

You clearly don't know anything about guns.

Steal ammo does not mean you get lead fouling. Copper fouling however is a real issue (and there are copper solvents out there...else you just scrub and scrub.) AK ammo came in spam cans that was cheap as hell. The FMJ ammo is quite a bit more expensive.

Oh, and I can speak from experience here: if you test a FMJ round and test it for lead, the test comes out bright pink, signifying a strong presence of lead.

 

[Darwin333]

WHY DON'T YOU GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT?!?! The M855 gun is designed to fire 15 bullets per second, not 10! But since it uses a smaller round, the M855 gun was designed by the US Navy in 1982 to be used in conjunction with the M240 hand held gatling gun, not as a REPLACEMENT for it. And the M855 gun is not hand held, it's tripod mounted ONLY.

So hard to argue with people when they don't even know what they're talking about.

I would really really love to have a hand held gatling gun. I'd probably be to scared to shoot the thing hand held but I got a few people that would probably try it out for me. Just not sure if I can trust them to wait 10 minutes while I get out of range because just standing behind them ain't gonna cut it.

 

[Jhhnn]

You clearly don't know anything about guns.

Steal ammo does not mean you get lead fouling. Copper fouling however is a real issue (and there are copper solvents out there...else you just scrub and scrub.) AK ammo came in spam cans that was cheap as hell. The FMJ ammo is quite a bit more expensive.

Oh, and I can speak from experience here: if you test a FMJ round and test it for lead, the test comes out bright pink, signifying a strong presence of lead.

Please. The person I quoted complained about lead fouling. I pointed out that FMJ ammo generally does not cause lead fouling. He complained about handling lead. I pointed out that using any fmj ammo is not regarded to be handling lead, certainly not like with soft lead handgun bullets. There would be no appreciable difference between M855 & M193 ammo in that regard, anyway.

 

[DCal430]

I would really really love to have a hand held gatling gun. I'd probably be to scared to shoot the thing hand held but I got a few people that would probably try it out for me. Just not sure if I can trust them to wait 10 minutes while I get out of range because just standing behind them ain't gonna cut it.

You can go to the local gun store in most states, and walk out the door in a hour with this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r08CCVGf2-c

disgusting what pro gun nuts have done.

 

[Genx87]

You can go to the local gun store in most states, and walk out the door in a hour with this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r08CCVGf2-c

disgusting what pro gun nuts have done.

This is a modification sold by a company. What store sells this product? Secondly in case you didn't notice or understand what happened. They fried the gas tube. Which means the gun is useless until that is replaced. It didn't fire many rounds for this to happen.

 

[DCal430]

This is a modification sold by a company. What store sells this product? Secondly in case you didn't notice or understand what happened. They fried the gas tube. Which means the gun is useless until that is replaced. It didn't fire many rounds for this to happen.

It still fired that whole belt. This was a fully automatic M16 with a belt conversio The fully automatic M16 can be had easily, at many local gun stores. You can get the conversion done online for a little extra. That belt holds up to 200 rounds too.

 

[Blanky]

You can go to the local gun store in most states, and walk out the door in a hour with this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r08CCVGf2-c

disgusting what pro gun nuts have done.

Fairly close to reporting you for trolling now. That's a demonstrable lie and you know it. Or you're retarded. Or, most likely, both.

 

[Blanky]

It still fired that whole belt. This was a fully automatic M16 with a belt conversion. You can pick up the conversion at many stores or online. The fully automatic M16 can be had easily, at many local gun stores. That belt holds 200 rounds too.

No, it can't be. Stop lying.

 

[DCal430]

What is scary I can't find any laws against this type of gun in California.

 

[Fenixgoon]

What is scary I can't find any laws against this type of gun in California.

clearly you have no google fu whatsoever, since if you googled and read "california gun laws" you would find that:

1) ammo feeding devices over 10 rounds are prohibited
2) fully automatic firearms are prohibited
3) certain rifles by name/make/model are prohibited

 

[Venix]

Fairly close to reporting you for trolling now. That's a demonstrable lie and you know it. Or you're retarded. Or, most likely, both.

DCal430 is just the latest alias of DVK916, a well-known dumbass who's trolled the forums with a half dozen different accounts over the years. Ridicule him or ignore him, but don't waste your time on a real conversation.

 

[RampantAndroid]

It still fired that whole belt. This was a fully automatic M16 with a belt conversio The fully automatic M16 can be had easily, at many local gun stores. You can get the conversion done online for a little extra. That belt holds up to 200 rounds too.

No, it cannot be. Conversion to an automatic is a felony offense under the NFA. You cannot purchase any NEW M16 lowers - they're really not allowed. You cannot convert any AR15 to be full auto - you need the full auto BCG (legal) and a full auto milled lower (not legal) and the parts kit (I suppose it's legal to buy with the intent of never using it, but buying with intent to manufacture is a felony.) The only full autos in private hands are made BEFORE 1986 and are at best $15000 (usually A LOT more). Belt fed ammo isn't a good thing. It's hard as hell to load without the tools to link the chains automatically and it's harder to find.

Furthermore, only a handfull of states allow full auto ownership by private parties. Most states do not. Stop lying. Stop misleading.

 

[rudeguy]

What is scary I can't find any laws against this type of gun in California.

Then you are not only ignorant, you are incompetent.

 

[schmuckley]

I don't think I need to paraphrase BATFE reasoning- it's laid out in the direct link Venix furnished. I merely point out the usual paranoid insanity offered against it.

Either way, enthusiasts will be able to purchase all the 5.56 ammo that their hearts desire.

At more than double the price it was 6 mos ago :thumbsdown:

 

[schmuckley]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSizVpfqFtw

Ok,Look how many rounds pops off..
Then estimate cost per round here:
http://massammo.com/product/xm855-600-rounds-ammocan/
and know the ammo was less than 1/2 of that 6 mos ago.

As for DCal430..My cousin has a license for full-auto guns.
You can have one too if you do it right.
..and he should,IMO.
Criminals do not get licenses for full-auto guns,they get their full-auto guns by other means..but indeed they do get them.
Maybe from "fast n furious"

 

[DCal430]

If these guns aren't legal then how are these youtube people getting them.

 

[rudeguy]

If these guns aren't legal then how are these youtube people getting them.

by magic fairy delivery

 

[schmuckley]

Full auto guns are legal if you know what you're doing.

 

[Jhhnn]

At more than double the price it was 6 mos ago :thumbsdown:

Perhaps- I couldn't say. That's across the board, I take it, regardless of the particulars of type. It's not really germane to the issues of one type over another, is it?

5.56 is an international commodity, so domestic prices will reflect world demand. Lots of demand in places like Iraq, Syria, Ukraine, Yemen & other places as well, I'm sure.

 

[Meghan54]

Furthermore, only a handfull of states allow full auto ownership by private parties. Most states do not. Stop lying. Stop misleading.

Last number I have seen was 40 states allow MG/full auto ownership of some variation. Not saying it'd be cheap or easy to get approved to own in some states, but in others....the sky's the limit, like Idaho.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Last number I have seen was 40 states allow MG/full auto ownership of some variation. Not saying it'd be cheap or easy to get approved to own in some states, but in others....the sky's the limit, like Idaho.

Some allow it, some say they allow it but don't (as in, they are super restrictive.) It really depends on state laws. Idaho is free, as long as it is made in state.

 

[DCal430]

Am I to believe the gun in the youtube video has a street price of over 10,000?

 

[schmuckley]

Am I to believe the gun in the youtube video has a street price of over 10,000?

No.
My cousin's tommy gun does, though,53K if you want it
One of those (meltable AR15) could be built for $1100
Ready to get you one?

 

[Fenixgoon]

No.
My cousin's tommy gun does, though,53K if you want it
One of those (meltable AR15) could be built for $1100
Ready to get you one?

illegally built, yes. legally purchased? i'm guessing the 10k number is quite valid, or even low.

 

[DCal430]

No.
My cousin's tommy gun does, though,53K if you want it
One of those (meltable AR15) could be built for $1100
Ready to get you one?

A fully automatic AR15 can be built for $1,100. That is scary.