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Abwx

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Before being religious let s do all the necessary calculations.

If i trust in god and that he exist then i will have eternal life.
If i dont trust then in this case i will lose the possibility of eternal life.


If i do not trust in god and that he does exist then i will not have eternal life.
If i do not trust in god and that he doesnt exist then i will not have eternal life anyway.

From the propositions above we can conclude that there s nothing to lose by trusting in god even if he doesnt exist while there could be a net loss if ever i dont trust on him and that he actualy exist.

That s what is called Pascal s calcuulus, that is, it s statisticaly more relevant to trust in god, as such acceptation of religion is nothing else than some kind of gambling.

That said there can be a lot of fun and good things in "religions" :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pATcvr3zAhg

Joy to the world....
 
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IronWing

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Before being religious let s do all the necessary calculations.

If i trust in god and that he exist then i will have eternal life.
If i dont trust then in this case i will lose the possibility of eternal life.


If i do not trust in god and that he does exist then i will not have eternal life.
If i do not trust in god and that he doesnt exist then i will not have eternal life anyway.

From the propositions above we can conclude that there s nothing to lose by trusting in god even if he doesnt exist while there could be a net loss if ever i dont trust on him and that he actualy exist.

That s what is called Pascal s calcuulus, that is, it s statisticaly more relevant to trust in god, as such acceptation of religion is nothing else than some kind of gambling.

That said there can be a lot of fun and good things in "religions" :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pATcvr3zAhg

Joy to the world....
A corollary to Pascal's Wager is that you have to pick the right god or you're going to hell anyway. Since gods outnumber humans by a long shot, your odds aren't looking too good.
 

Abwx

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A corollary to Pascal's Wager is that you have to pick the right god or you're going to hell anyway. Since gods outnumber humans by a long shot, your odds aren't looking too good.

That s not a problem since one is assuming that there s only one god that is revered under several names and religions, besides it looks like, paradoxaly, the humans have total control of what is god and what is his definition and role, actualy he s relegated to be some kind of ultimate service provider.
 

Moonbeam

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So I gather that if some people believe they are going to heaven and it brings comfort to their lives, that pisses off a lot of other people who don't believe they are and they are determined to destroy this faith that others have. You would almost have to say that such people are assholes. But then again, if the folk who have faith are jumping up and down taunting their less believing friends with "You're going to Hell and I'm not!", maybe its just a natural reaction.
 

BurnItDwn

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Religion is just a club too but the atheists try and say its responsible for all wars on the entire planet earth.

Religions may be like clubs, but they pretty much all require believing in some fantastic tales.

Atheists are not one big club though. We are skeptics and freethinkers. One or Some may claim religion is the root of all evil, but is not a concensus. I know the truth, MONEY is the root of all evil
 

SlowSpyder

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So I gather that if some people believe they are going to heaven and it brings comfort to their lives, that pisses off a lot of other people who don't believe they are and they are determined to destroy this faith that others have. You would almost have to say that such people are assholes. But then again, if the folk who have faith are jumping up and down taunting their less believing friends with "You're going to Hell and I'm not!", maybe its just a natural reaction.


Am I an asshole if I tell someone that I don't believe a talking snake convinced a woman (made from a guy's rib) to eat a magical fruit from a magical tree that caused us to all be condemned to burn in a fire forever unless we accept a zombie who lives in eternal paradise as our lord and savior? These people vote.
 

JEDIYoda

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Am I an asshole if I tell someone that I don't believe a talking snake convinced a woman (made from a guy's rib) to eat a magical fruit from a magical tree that caused us to all be condemned to burn in a fire forever unless we accept a zombie who lives in eternal paradise as our lord and savior? These people vote.
As do those of you who are Atheists. You ask for proof there is a God...we ask for proof there is no God......you say we cannot prove a negative thus no God.......

And yet you also vote -- interesting!
 

Subyman

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I find this post sort of confusing. According to what I've come to understand over the years, atheists for quite a while, compared congregating other atheists to "herding cats" and that they weren't really interested in gathering together. Now that these "cats" are being herded, you seem OK with it, but don't want it called a "church" (which I can understand).

Could it be that you (they) were in denial about having a need to gather all along and now they're simply declining to fight against it?

It just seems to me that some atheists are simply reluctant to accept that FACT that they aren't really different from their religious counterparts, expect in the idea that they replace God with the Human mind, or science.

We always replace God with something else god-like.

I've never heard of atheists wanting to be recluses. I certainly never said anything like that. Gathering together isn't a religious act, so I'm not sure why you are trying to use that to call atheism a religion. Atheists have been gathering for years, just look at the Dawkins tour.
 

BurnItDwn

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For the love of MONEY is the root of all evil
I Timothy 6:10
Very important distinction

Thank you,
You are indeed right. Its not that the money itself is rotten, mans inhumanity to man is driven in almost all cases by an unquenchable thirst for "more."

This thirst is the evil.
 

Moonbeam

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Am I an asshole if I tell someone that I don't believe a talking snake convinced a woman (made from a guy's rib) to eat a magical fruit from a magical tree that caused us to all be condemned to burn in a fire forever unless we accept a zombie who lives in eternal paradise as our lord and savior? These people vote.

You vote and you have no idea that everything you mentioned is allegorically accurate of truth you don't understand. What is the difference between your ignorance and theirs?
 

Abwx

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we ask for proof there is no God.....

There s a living body in a planet at some 1000 light years who proved that there is no god, one day he ll come here to announce the thing to all humans, although i dont know when it s a certainity that he will come one day as announced in a book of mine; that is, the book of the believers of the cosmic living body who proved that there is no god...

Now i ask for proof that this living body doesnt exist...
 

Cerpin Taxt

Lifer
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Before being religious let s do all the necessary calculations.

If i trust in god and that he exist then i will have eternal life.
If i dont trust then in this case i will lose the possibility of eternal life.


If i do not trust in god and that he does exist then i will not have eternal life.
If i do not trust in god and that he doesnt exist then i will not have eternal life anyway.

From the propositions above we can conclude that there s nothing to lose by trusting in god even if he doesnt exist while there could be a net loss if ever i dont trust on him and that he actualy exist.

That s what is called Pascal s calcuulus, that is, it s statisticaly more relevant to trust in god, as such acceptation of religion is nothing else than some kind of gambling.

That said there can be a lot of fun and good things in "religions" :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pATcvr3zAhg

Joy to the world....

And here we see the typical evidence of defective reasoning so common among theists.
 

alzan

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I've never heard of atheists wanting to be recluses. I certainly never said anything like that. Gathering together isn't a religious act, so I'm not sure why you are trying to use that to call atheism a religion. Atheists have been gathering for years, just look at the Dawkins tour.

Oh but it is. According to the OP:
Just to preface this thread, I don't have a problem with "Atheist Churches", especially being a religious guy myself, I can see the benefits, no doubt

But what I have taken issue with is the ignorant hypocrisy as atheists generally seem to hate everything about religion, but they are stealing the "best bits" (oh, the irony) except for God with these new Churches:

so apparently one of the best bits is "gathering together" cause atheists are like cats...or something.
 

Subyman

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Oh but it is. According to the OP:


so apparently one of the best bits is "gathering together" cause atheists are like cats...or something.

What's even more funny is his statement is exactly what atheism is, its "blah blah whatever" without God. That's the definition of atheism lol.
 

Abwx

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What's even more funny is his statement is exactly what atheism is, its "blah blah whatever" without God. That's the definition of atheism lol.

Somewhat simplistic logic..

Atheists or generaly non believers are people that do not need to be fearfull of some hypothetical god as a mean to not misbehave.
 
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As do those of you who are Atheists. You ask for proof there is a God...we ask for proof there is no God......you say we cannot prove a negative thus no God.......

And yet you also vote -- interesting!

Funny, I've never asked a religious person to "prove" anything. I don't care what they believe in. Just keep it to yourself.

And yes, I certainly do vote and have done so since I legally could. And I do a damn good job of making sure I understand the candidates, their positions and their party's positions before casting what I believe is a rational, educated, and considered vote. You have a problem with that, fuck you.
 

Retro Rob

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I've never heard of atheists wanting to be recluses.

I never said atheists wanted to be "recluses" anyway. Secondly, not having a need to meet in a building doesn't make one a recluse, because if that were true, every non-religious person would be a recluse.

I certainly never said anything like that.

Where have I attributed anything to YOU, specifically?

Gathering together isn't a religious act, so I'm not sure why you are trying to use that to call atheism a religion.

Where did I say atheism is a religion? Just sayin', actually respond to what I'm saying and stop trying to respond based on your interpretation of what I'm saying.
 

alzan

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So what is the point of this thread, Rob? Your OP:

Just to preface this thread, I don't have a problem with "Atheist Churches", especially being a religious guy myself, I can see the benefits, no doubt

But what I have taken issue with is the ignorant hypocrisy as atheists generally seem to hate everything about religion, but they are stealing the "best bits" (oh, the irony) except for God with these new Churches:

http://www.christianpost.com/news/atheist-church-sunday-assembly-opens-in-35-more-towns-127190/

On their official site, them seem to be targeting the socially isolated, lonely, and likely ex-religious cast-offs.

http://sundayassembly.com/blog/2014...oubles-in-size-in-one-day-assembleeverywhere/

Now religion is generally castigated for playing on the emotionally weak and exploiting people, and now some atheists seem to smell the money and are doing the same thing.

:sneaky:

seems to be calling into question the start-up and existence of "Atheist Churches" even though you don't have a problem with it cause you're a religious guy yourself and can see the benefit. Also, "Atheist Church" is a tag on the page; didn't find a reference to that on the Main or About page. Seems it's the "Christian Post website using the term.

You might consider that you think that atheists hate everything to do with religion because of confirmation bias. "Stealing the best bits"? What is unique to religion that atheists have "stolen"?

Their official site reaches out to the socially isolated and lonely who are not AFAIK the sole purview of the church. As well, being socially isolated or lonely does not mean an individual is emotionally weak. And since they're relatively new, let's hold off on accusations/allegations of "... is generally castigated for playing on the emotionally weak and exploiting people, and now some atheists seem to smell the money and are doing the same thing."

Also:

< already responded >

It just seems to me that some atheists are simply reluctant to accept that FACT that they aren't really different from their religious counterparts, expect in the idea that they replace God with the Human mind, or science.

We always replace God with something else god-like.

The human mind and/or science is g-d-like?

 

Abwx

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The human mind and/or science is g-d-like?


Anything human has its source in the electromagnetic force, this force is called god by religious people, but curiously they dont call it so when using it to light their homes or heat their food...
 
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