Because you do not know yourself, the truth of what you feel, you see only the surface of the issue. It is not religion or nationalism or the hundred other things people quarrel about that cause war, but the ego need to identify with such externals because our organic self respect was destroyed by being put down as children. We had to identify with sone external illusionary ideal the identification with which would make us feel OK, in order to bury our feelings of self hate.
lawl. All of the nutters in this thread are only Christian because they were born in the US. If they were born anywhere else in the world, they'd be following X religion, claiming their God was the one and only.
At some very basic level, yes, our human faults share in the blame. But I think you're looking at things from too high of a level. Things have evolved, but religion often hasn't. Today my need to protect my inner self and human faults may get the best of me and cause me to need to argue my point on a forum or not watch something on TV with views I don't care for. With religion, when our human defects that cause us the feeling of need for control of something different or to protect our ego, it quite often ends in bloodshed.
And what I find ironic about it, is that today's christians often like to proclaim superiority of their faith and followers because they don't kill people (at least not around here or in the numbers other religions seem to these days). But the only reason they don't, is because people like me have questioned them and forced them into a corner where they've been stripped of so much of the power they used to yield. People shouldn't forget how christians acted when they had real power, it wasn't much different than what we see in less advanced parts of the world today.
<--As I said, the reason you do not see the real enemy for what it is is because you don't know what you feel. To know what you really feel, the reality of how deep your self hate is. creates tremendous fear, a fear equivalent to the fear of death, and why, because to know oneself is to die psychically, and the experience of psychic death is just like the fear of the real thing. Actually, the fear of the real thing is actually just that fear of remembering. All the real religions of the world brought by enlightened men are just techniques that help one to die this death. That is why, in religion, there is a promise of life after death. The promise is real.
As I said, the reason you do not see the real enemy for what it is is because you don't know what you feel. To know what you really feel, the reality of how deep your self hate is. creates tremendous fear, a fear equivalent to the fear of death, and why, because to know oneself is to die psychically, and the experience of psychic death is just like the fear of the real thing. Actually, the fear of the real thing is actually just that fear of remembering. All the real religions of the world brought by enlightened men are just techniques that help one to die this death. That is why, in religion, there is a promise of life after death. The promise is real.
I think I disagree with everything you said, but am not really sure.
I can see it all now -- what religion are you?? I am a Fundamentalist Atheist!! I belong to the Assemblies of Atheists!!
I was just having some fun at the logical inconsistencies in your views. Actually I understand perfectly well what you are trying to do. Atheism bases itself on science and doesn't accept anything that cannot be proven in a scientifical manner. But science cannot prove there are no gods. Therefore atheists are hypocrites because they cannot (dis)prove the very principle atheism is build on. They merely believe there is (are) no god(s) which is exactly the same as believing there is a god. Thus it is a religion because it doesn't require proof, just faith.
But I'm willing to compromise on this. I will admit atheism is a religion and that it doesn't know the truth. In exchange you will admit that your religion doesn't know the truth either. You will then ofcourse immediately stop pushing your views based on truths your religion no longer considers valid upon other people.
Actually, I believe you are on the road to agnosticism.
I was just having some fun at the logical inconsistencies in your views. Actually I understand perfectly well what you are trying to do. Atheism bases itself on science and doesn't accept anything that cannot be proven in a scientifical manner. But science cannot prove there are no gods. Therefore atheists are hypocrites because they cannot (dis)prove the very principle atheism is build on. They merely believe there is (are) no god(s) which is exactly the same as believing there is a god. Thus it is a religion because it doesn't require proof, just faith.
But I'm willing to compromise on this. I will admit atheism is a religion and that it doesn't know the truth. In exchange you will admit that your religion doesn't know the truth either. You will then ofcourse immediately stop pushing your views based on truths your religion no longer considers valid upon other people.
I thought you guys didn't have faith in anything, where is your proof?
I was just having some fun at the logical inconsistencies in your views. Actually I understand perfectly well what you are trying to do. Atheism bases itself on science and doesn't accept anything that cannot be proven in a scientifical manner. But science cannot prove there are no gods. Therefore atheists are hypocrites because they cannot (dis)prove the very principle atheism is build on. They merely believe there is (are) no god(s) which is exactly the same as believing there is a god. Thus it is a religion because it doesn't require proof, just faith.
But I'm willing to compromise on this. I will admit atheism is a religion and that it doesn't know the truth. In exchange you will admit that your religion doesn't know the truth either. You will then ofcourse immediately stop pushing your views based on truths your religion no longer considers valid upon other people.
I thought you guys didn't have faith in anything, where is your proof?
seriously that the best you can do??? sad..maybe even pathetic....
Jesus Loves you and all Atheists!!btw, Shiite or Sunni?
I was just having some fun at the logical inconsistencies in your views. Actually I understand perfectly well what you are trying to do. Atheism bases itself on science and doesn't accept anything that cannot be proven in a scientifical manner. But science cannot prove there are no gods. Therefore atheists are hypocrites because they cannot (dis)prove the very principle atheism is build on. They merely believe there is (are) no god(s) which is exactly the same as believing there is a god. Thus it is a religion because it doesn't require proof, just faith.
But I'm willing to compromise on this. I will admit atheism is a religion and that it doesn't know the truth. In exchange you will admit that your religion doesn't know the truth either. You will then ofcourse immediately stop pushing your views based on truths your religion no longer considers valid upon other people.
Agnosticism is pretty close to Atheism.
I only find a good degree of disagreement with this statement. Atheism and agnosticism only share the questioning of Gods existence in common.
Otherwise agnosticism is about as close to either atheism as to theism. Yet it's actually closest to a state of suspended open-endedness.
An agnostic neither believes nor disbelieves in the existence or non-existence of God.
While agnosticism stands alone as defined by what a person does or doesnt know, atheism and theism involves what a person believes, either pro and con. Knowledge vs. belief: huge distinction between what ultimately defines an important aspect of religion.
I heard that he was pretty pissed at you guys that speak for him all the time.Jesus Loves you and all Atheists!!
Jesus Loves you and all Atheists!!
Jesus Loves you and all Atheists!!
So why don`t you have your Hajib on?? Being a good subservient Muslim woman...And he loves Muslims like you as well. Aren't you glad?